GT7 & PSVR2

[BLACK86]

I got a ps5 and a pro and a psvr2, tried them both and there's no difference graphically. There may be a difference in hud clarity but I don't know as I don't play with it on but it's still blur city outside the cockpit on the ps5 pro.

I have kayak vr too and the difference to me is pretty tiny, nothing like the way people were banging on about it on YouTube, not to me anyway.

 

[VR-SORN]

I actually think music rally has better performance than main game. Try looking at the nicer rear view mirror quality.

 

[Meythia]

I actually think music rally has better performance than main game. Try looking at the nicer rear view mirror quality.

I also like its HUD much more.

 

[GT7VR]

When the Pro update arrives it will feel like Christmas.
Till then enjoying the experience on the Pro. Just like I was on a regular PS5.

 

[GT7VR]

Just did another hour in VR with the PSVR2. I stand by my perceived list of improvements.

 

[JustMac]

Hm do we think there'll be a "proper" update to GT7 PSVR 2 on the PS5 pro? I'd literally buy it just for that tbh.

 

[GT7VR]

Hm do we think there'll be a "proper" update to GT7 PSVR 2 on the PS5 pro? I'd literally buy it just for that tbh.

I did buy it solely for the (Future) GT7VR update myself. It's coming for sure. When is the question.

 

[GlamFM]

I did buy it solely for the (Future) GT7VR update myself. It's coming for sure. When is the question.

I don't think is guaranteed at all. That's why I'm waiting. Given that VR has gotten ZERO updates since the initial launch and PD have not talked about VR at all when they did their PR thing for the pro there's a lot of reason to be sceptical.

Really don't share your optimism, but I hope you're right.

 

[TheNormsk]

I did buy it solely for the (Future) GT7VR update myself. It's coming for sure. When is the question.

I bought it only for GT7 PSVR2 improvements. I'm not trying to justify my decision as I know no upgrades have been made yet, but for whatever subtle results I see, I find the PSVR2 on the pro to be a better experience.

Of course, other people's mileage may vary.

 

[GT7VR]

I bought it only for GT7 PSVR2 improvements. I'm not trying to justify my decision as I know no upgrades have been made yet, but for whatever subtle results I see, I find the PSVR2 on the pro to be a better experience.

Of course, other people's mileage may vary.

I absolutely agree. Just did another 3 races. The improvements are certainly there already. Reflections on other cars also seem smoother. Just runs nicer on the Pro it seems. I would say a 10% better experience for me at least already without a Pro optimized patch.

 

[Haitauer]

Hm do we think there'll be a "proper" update to GT7 PSVR 2 on the PS5 pro? I'd literally buy it just for that tbh.

There might be slight bump to 100% resolution, even smoother fps and maybe small additions to LOD - but I expect PSSR implementation to be not only likely, but to also have the biggest impact in PSVR2 picture quality.

That said, I cant see the possibility of improvements being drastic enough to make me spend 980€ on ps5 pro + disc drive. We are in any case still stuck with the fresnel lenses after all..

1600€ (ps5 pro + psvr2) buys you a VR capable pc + Quest 3..

 

[Childe Roland]

That said, I cant see the possibility of improvements being drastic enough to make me spend 980€ on ps5 pro + disc drive. We are in any case still stuck with the fresnel lenses after all..

I feel the same.

Subtle improvements dont make the purchase worth it for me and in my case I dont need the disc drive because all my games are digital right now.
Lets see what the future brings us but I wouldnt put much expectations given the PSVR2 updates that we had in the past for GT7 (none?)

 

[Nebuc72]

Am I nuts or is this hype about PSSR not really going to do much but increase the amount of ghosting you see in VR? Stuff like that is more noticeable in VR than any other medium and if you're already noticing it, a bit more crispness in overall detail is going to be meaningless when everything has massive ghosting trails. The ghosting with that technology looks bad enough on flat.

I'm talking from a PC perspective considering I don't have PSVR but the general consensus last time I checked, and my opinion, is that using DLSS etc. on PC just makes the visual fidelity in VR outright worse.
My biggest concern with PS5 Pro is that, considering the negligence for GT7 VT - it get PSSR gunked in without thought and it makes the whole experience worse than it already is. I would imagine the best thing to hope for is just support for improving what is already there with the better hardware rather than trying to skip a step with the technology the Pro brings with it.

 

[sonnyboychris]

I did buy it solely for the (Future) GT7VR update myself. It's coming for sure. When is the question.

That's an awful lot of faith in a developer that has ignored VR since it's release. Especially when their parent company (Sony) is ignoring it as well.

I hope to be proved wrong.

Am I nuts or is this hype about PSSR not really going to do much but increase the amount of ghosting you see in VR? Stuff like that is more noticeable in VR than any other medium and if you're already noticing it, a bit more crispness in overall detail is going to be meaningless when everything has massive ghosting trails. The ghosting with that technology looks bad enough on flat.

I'm talking from a PC perspective considering I don't have PSVR but the general consensus last time I checked, and my opinion, is that using DLSS etc. on PC just makes the visual fidelity in VR outright worse.
My biggest concern with PS5 Pro is that, considering the negligence for GT7 VT - it get PSSR gunked in without thought and it makes the whole experience worse than it already is. I would imagine the best thing to hope for is just support for improving what is already there with the better hardware rather than trying to skip a step with the technology the Pro brings with it.

There are a lot of VR games that DON'T suffer from reprojection (ghosting). It'll come down to the type of game, it's demand on the system and how much effort/time a developer wants to spend on it.

I think it's needless to say that PD has put the absolute bare minimum effort into GT7's VR implementation. With the added power of the Pro, one one imagine that reprojection could be minimized or completely negated because improved framerate potential.

 

[GT7VR]

Why is there this sentiment online concerning Sony and PD not supporting VR enough?
Sony went ahead and developed a high-end VR system for a Console.
They are the only company ever to do this 2 times in a row for consoles FFS.
They implemented Foveated Rendering and eye tracking. And put in OLED screens again.
Nobody is offering this kind of combination of tech for a very attractive price.
The catalog of VR games is also growing fast now.

They took a big risk. But thanks to that we have Full GT7 in VR now.
And it's the most stable, easy to use VR Racing experience to date, anywhere.
And it runs on a €400,- console! And very likely super impressive on a €800,- Pro console since PSSR+Foveated rendering = very promising.

PD gave us VR support from day one. GT7 was developed with VR support from the beginning.
The whole game is playable in VR. You can have some HUD choices even.
For immersion you want to put all HUD details off anyway is my opinion.

PD does not listen to everyone with their specific VR UI wishes. Glad they have focus on their own vision. It's great.
PD probably knows what the PRO can bring for 2D and VR from the start of the Pro's development.
It's highly likely that they will support the PRO in the best way possible as a first party Sony dev.

PSSR wil get it's on VR specific implementation. EVERY PSVR2 game is going to get PSSR VR support once it's ready.
The lead system architect (Cerny) litteraly already told this during the launch presentation(s) of the PRO.
The PSSR VR AI must be trained of course. And that is with the combination of the Foveated Rendering Tech.
It's this dedication and propriatary HW/SW ecosystem that puts SONY/PD literally in its own league.
The upside of this tech stack and PSVR2/PS5PRO hardware is unique and very promising.

 

[RS60NR]

Why is there this sentiment online concerning Sony and PD not supporting VR enough?
Sony went ahead and developed a high-end VR system for a Console.
They are the only company ever to do this 2 times in a row for consoles FFS.
They implemented Foveated Rendering and eye tracking. And put in OLED screens again.
Nobody is offering this kind of combination of tech for a very attractive price.
The catalog of VR games is also growing fast now.

They took a big risk. But thanks to that we have Full GT7 in VR now.
And it's the most stable, easy to use VR Racing experience to date, anywhere.
And it runs on a €400,- console! And very likely super impressive on a €800,- Pro console since PSSR+Foveated rendering = very promising.

PD gave us VR support from day one. GT7 was developed with VR support from the beginning.
The whole game is playable in VR. You can have some HUD choices even.
For immersion yo want to put all HUD details off anyway is my opinion.

PD does not listen to everyone with their specific VR UI wishes. Glad they have focus on their own vision. It's great.
PD probably knows what the PRO can bring for 2D and VR from the start of the Pro's development.
It's highly likely that they will support the PRO in the best way possible as a first party Sony dev.

PSSR wil get it's on VR specific implementation. EVERY PSVR2 game is going to get PSSR VR support once it's ready.
The lead system architect (Cerny) litteraly already told this during the launch presentation(s) of the PRO.
The PSSR VR AI must be trained of course. And that is with the combination of the Foveated Rendering Tech.
It's this dedication and propriatary HW/SW ecosystem that puts SONY/PD literally in its own league.
The upside of this tech stack and PSVR2/PS5PRO hardware is unique and very promising.

Totally agree w your analysis. But the “perceived” lack of sony support has been widely sited, both in the media and by influencers in forums so perpetuates this view that Sony is bailing on it

 

[Meythia]

My biggest concern with PS5 Pro is that, considering the negligence for GT7 VT - it get PSSR gunked in without thought and it makes the whole experience worse than it already is. I would imagine the best thing to hope for is just support for improving what is already there with the better hardware rather than trying to skip a step with the technology the Pro brings with it.

I despise AI for quality (why do even TVs need AI to make moving pictures smoother, and then it doesnt even work 100%, not even 90% ...), yet as long as the Pro has more power to offer to provide stable fps this is good reason in my opinion.

 

[CTznOfTime]

Totally agree w your analysis. But the “perceived” lack of sony support has been widely sited, both in the media and by influencers in forums so perpetuates this view that Sony is bailing on it

Whether correct or not, Sadly human nature tends to be negative or pessimistic rather than being hopeful or pessimistic, as evidenced by the US election... Maybe in an natural self preservation reflex...
It's also natural for human to want destruction first before they realize what they really want ..

 

[VR-SORN]

Am I nuts or is this hype about PSSR not really going to do much but increase the amount of ghosting you see in VR? Stuff like that is more noticeable in VR than any other medium and if you're already noticing it, a bit more crispness in overall detail is going to be meaningless when everything has massive ghosting trails. The ghosting with that technology looks bad enough on flat.

I'm talking from a PC perspective considering I don't have PSVR but the general consensus last time I checked, and my opinion, is that using DLSS etc. on PC just makes the visual fidelity in VR outright worse.
My biggest concern with PS5 Pro is that, considering the negligence for GT7 VT - it get PSSR gunked in without thought and it makes the whole experience worse than it already is. I would imagine the best thing to hope for is just support for improving what is already there with the better hardware rather than trying to skip a step with the technology the Pro brings with it.

We dont get motion blur effects in VR, just the reprojection ghosting from 60fps native to 120fps.
Pro in theory should very easily go to native 90 or 120fps for the PSVR2 native display mode.
With PSSR it should be even easier to get those frames without reprojection. It will be awesome.

 

[GlamFM]

Why is there this sentiment online concerning Sony and PD not supporting VR enough?
Sony went ahead and developed a high-end VR system for a Console.
They are the only company ever to do this 2 times in a row for consoles FFS.
They implemented Foveated Rendering and eye tracking. And put in OLED screens again.
Nobody is offering this kind of combination of tech for a very attractive price.
The catalog of VR games is also growing fast now.

They took a big risk. But thanks to that we have Full GT7 in VR now.
And it's the most stable, easy to use VR Racing experience to date, anywhere.
And it runs on a €400,- console! And very likely super impressive on a €800,- Pro console since PSSR+Foveated rendering = very promising.

PD gave us VR support from day one. GT7 was developed with VR support from the beginning.
The whole game is playable in VR. You can have some HUD choices even.
For immersion you want to put all HUD details off anyway is my opinion.

PD does not listen to everyone with their specific VR UI wishes. Glad they have focus on their own vision. It's great.
PD probably knows what the PRO can bring for 2D and VR from the start of the Pro's development.
It's highly likely that they will support the PRO in the best way possible as a first party Sony dev.

PSSR wil get it's on VR specific implementation. EVERY PSVR2 game is going to get PSSR VR support once it's ready.
The lead system architect (Cerny) litteraly already told this during the launch presentation(s) of the PRO.
The PSSR VR AI must be trained of course. And that is with the combination of the Foveated Rendering Tech.
It's this dedication and propriatary HW/SW ecosystem that puts SONY/PD literally in its own league.
The upside of this tech stack and PSVR2/PS5PRO hardware is unique and very promising.

PSVR2 has been a huge miss for Sony and they have basically written it off.
I love your optimism, but it’s a bit misguided.
Every cent Sony (and thereby PD) invests in the platform going forward is very welcome but absolutely not guaranteed.
PSVR2 did not sell and that’s what it comes down to.

 

[snc]

Why is there this sentiment online concerning Sony and PD not supporting VR enough?
Sony went ahead and developed a high-end VR system for a Console.
They are the only company ever to do this 2 times in a row for consoles FFS.
They implemented Foveated Rendering and eye tracking. And put in OLED screens again.
Nobody is offering this kind of combination of tech for a very attractive price.
The catalog of VR games is also growing fast now.

They took a big risk. But thanks to that we have Full GT7 in VR now.
And it's the most stable, easy to use VR Racing experience to date, anywhere.
And it runs on a €400,- console! And very likely super impressive on a €800,- Pro console since PSSR+Foveated rendering = very promising.

PD gave us VR support from day one. GT7 was developed with VR support from the beginning.
The whole game is playable in VR. You can have some HUD choices even.
For immersion you want to put all HUD details off anyway is my opinion.

PD does not listen to everyone with their specific VR UI wishes. Glad they have focus on their own vision. It's great.
PD probably knows what the PRO can bring for 2D and VR from the start of the Pro's development.
It's highly likely that they will support the PRO in the best way possible as a first party Sony dev.

PSSR wil get it's on VR specific implementation. EVERY PSVR2 game is going to get PSSR VR support once it's ready.
The lead system architect (Cerny) litteraly already told this during the launch presentation(s) of the PRO.
The PSSR VR AI must be trained of course. And that is with the combination of the Foveated Rendering Tech.
It's this dedication and propriatary HW/SW ecosystem that puts SONY/PD literally in its own league.
The upside of this tech stack and PSVR2/PS5PRO hardware is unique and very promising.

Probably because they dont release first party games on psvr2 with exception on launch premiere with gt7 and mediocre Horizon

 

[GT7VR]

For the ones interested in the negative and positive scenario's speculated about by the Interweb.
Recently releasing a PC Adapter is not really abandoning the VR product / strategy in my book...

The price is more sweet spot now. The PRO can deliver the sweetspot experience.
PC adapter is released recently. Sales have apparently catched up.
Before I see the actual P&L and statement of Sony I'd say It has just begun to gain some traction.
Once VR PSSR is ready and impressive that alone will be another USP to turn on the marketing machine.
And if it's really good the reviews will be hyping the product vs high-end and 3x more expensive PC rigs.
Let's find out. The make or break moment has yet to come...

 

[Meythia]

PSVR2 did not sell and that’s what it comes down to.

There is a good selection of games on it, and definitly gems among them.
The same could also be said about PSVR on PS4.
Though the amount of games that in my opinion seem "low effort/bad/cheap" is higher than the amount of games that I like.
And most games of those I like are simply VR enabled instead of VR exlusive.

 

[GlamFM]

For the ones interested in the negative and positive scenario's speculated about by the Interweb.
Recently releasing a PC Adapter is not really abandoning the VR product / strategy in my book...

The price is more sweet spot now. The PRO can deliver the sweetspot experience.
PC adapter is released recently. Sales have apparently catched up.
Before I see the actual P&L and statement of Sony I'd say It has just begun to gain some traction.
Once VR PSSR is ready and impressive that alone will be another USP to turn on the marketing machine.
And if it's really good the reviews will be hyping the product vs high-end and 3x more expensive PC rigs.
Let's find out. The make or break moment has yet to come...

The PC adapter is a hotfix for stock clearing purposes.

PSVR2 is a flop. There’s no way to sugarcoat it.

 

[sonnyboychris]

Why is there this sentiment online concerning Sony and PD not supporting VR enough?
Sony went ahead and developed a high-end VR system for a Console.
They are the only company ever to do this 2 times in a row for consoles FFS.
They implemented Foveated Rendering and eye tracking. And put in OLED screens again.
Nobody is offering this kind of combination of tech for a very attractive price.
The catalog of VR games is also growing fast now.

Can you name one major first party title from Sony's roster post-launch that's been in VR? Can you name a major 1st party title that simply had a VR mode tacked-on?

It won't be any of these titles....

1. TLOU
2. GOW
3. Uncharted (completely absent on PS5)
4. Spider Man
5. Ratchet and Clank
6. Ghost of Tsushima

Totally agree w your analysis. But the “perceived” lack of sony support has been widely sited, both in the media and by influencers in forums so perpetuates this view that Sony is bailing on it

Perceived? LOL

Sony Cuts Investment in VR Development, Only Two First-Party VR Games Currently in Development — Report

In December 2023, Sony Interactive Entertainment's head of global business, Eric Lempel, told the Financial Times that VR was "a bit of a challenging category right now." Then, in March this year, Bloomberg reported that Sony had paused production of new PSVR2 units as it tried to move unsold units it had yet to ship.

Meanwhile, well-known PSVR developers First Contact Entertainment and London Studio have closed. Earlier this year, I reported that it seemed Sony had abandoned the PSVR2, with one source at a developer of at least one major PSVR2 game telling me that Sony would only market their game exclusively through posts on the PlayStation Blog, and any additional marketing had to be done by the developer or the publisher.

...its steep price, the requirement to own a PS5, and the lack of new VR games that are not ports, optional VR modes, or multiplatform releases, are often cited as reasons why people will not invest when headsets like the Meta Quest 2 or Quest 3 are more competitively price, do not require additional hardware to run, and have several first-party exclusives.

Let's save all the wish-casting and delusions for the wish-list and monthly update threads. There is a lot of factual information from reputable sources pointing to the fact that Sony has largely stopped supporting VR.

Additionally, there's a ton of evidence staring GT7's owners right in the face. You can't tell me that there's a "perceived" lack of support when the game has NOT been supported after it launched over a year ago lol.

Astro Bot was one of the most beloved games on PSVR. So much so that it warranted a sequel.... But guess what? Sony abandoned it in VR. It's only available in pancake mode.

 

[Kriptical]

To be fair: sony’s been pulling a bit of a fanatec over the past year+

Initially, it seemed as if they got rolled by facebooks marketing team with every blogging muppet repeating the omg. Sooo expensive! Yarn… Despite the unit having very good value for its specs. After that, sony seemed to crawl under a rock, choosing to focus on winners such as concord etc. Aside from gt7, I haven’t had the slightest urge to buy any games for my ps5.

That said, ive read in countless places that the unreal engine is a hog and really not good at all for vr. So im guessing thats slowing things down a bit on the porting side as well as why games like f1 aren’t even trying to support it, and people such as Bell and Kunos went with in house/modding the farming sim engine as alternatives.

Also…its worth mentioning again that sony has some brilliant minds and some piss poor managers and marketers. For evidence just look at their pro~ cameras. So many stories 🤦‍♂️

 

[VR-SORN]

I am OK with Sonys efforts. I see it as all experimental. Each generation they are testing the market and constant research. Very happy it exists at all. If they don't do anymore until ps6 that's acceptable.

 

[GT7VR]

I am OK with Sonys efforts. I see it as all experimental. Each generation they are testing the market and constant research. Very happy it exists at all. If they don't do anymore until ps6 that's acceptable.

Agree! Hopefull for a PRO GT7 update that will blow our minds. But it's more than OK as is now with the PS5 and PS5PRO for me.

 

[GlamFM]

I am OK with Sonys efforts. I see it as all experimental. Each generation they are testing the market and constant research. Very happy it exists at all. If they don't do anymore until ps6 that's acceptable.

Why would they do it again for PS6 when they have not found success here?

 

[notarjy]

talk to any gamer outside of our gran turismo bubble and PSVR2 is considered dead and a failure