GTDesigned: A Community Vision GT Project

[eran0004]

It's going to be hard to match the Autozam measures. Kei cars are all pretty much shaped like boxes, to maximize the available space, so there's not much space for elaborate designs. Here's the car squeezed into the Autozam box.

Here it is in the Tommy Kaira ZZ-S box, which I feel is probably as far as we can go without distorting the design too much:

Here it is in the proportions of the Ferrari 458, which is pretty close to what the design was made for.

 

[Nessy]

I can't really speak for anyone else, but i think it would be wrong to do anything other than Kei car size (Autozam box).

If we start going around changing the goal posts, then it brings into question the legitimacy of whole community based project.. The people voted for Kei car.

(BTW) Top one looks fine to me @eran0004 . Sterling work. 👍

 

[eran0004]

I can't really speak for anyone else, but i think it would be wrong to do anything other than Kei car size (Autozam box).

If we start going around changing the goal posts, then it brings into question the legitimacy of whole community based project.. The people voted for Kei car.

(BTW) Top one looks fine to me @eran0004 . Sterling work. 👍

Since the design poll didn't contain any Kei cars, perhaps we should just rewind the tape, ask people to come up with Kei car designs (and all the other specifications as well) and then have a new design poll. Because I don't believe in scaling a design down, it has to be drawn for the correct proportions to begin with.

Here's a stunning example of a Kei car design by the way, for inspiration

 

[The Stig Farmer]

How many seats does it need?

Why not single seater?

 

[Grandea GTR]

How many seats does it need?

Why not single seater?

@Nessy considered the idea, as well as myself, but I'm not sure on what the others think.

 

[wvmgmidget]

Instead of splitting the battery into two parts what If we striped out the passenger seat and make a long freaking battery. If that's feasible

 

[The Stig Farmer]

I immediately thought of one of those little Formula Cross karts

Sure this is an ATV but we can scale it up. And less seats/passengers = weight we can use elsewhere.

 

[Grandea GTR]

Instead of splitting the battery into two parts what If we striped out the passenger seat and make a long freaking battery. If that's feasible

That would, in a way, mess up proportions. How I did it in my design the battery is one single unit mounted transversely into the car itself. The electric motor itself is composed of two units.

 

[R5]

For the battery system, why not do something the military is experimenting with foe soldiers backpacks?

They're called Structural Batteries and were used in the Drayson racing Electric LMP. They're basically a conversion of CFRP to hold and electrical charge meaning the whole chassis could be the battery.

 

[Grandea GTR]

For the battery system, why not do something the military is experimenting with foe soldiers backpacks?

They're called Structural Batteries and were used in the Drayson racing Electric LMP. They're basically a conversion of CFRP to hold and electrical charge meaning the whole chassis could be the battery.

Which means there would be more room to accommodate a larger engine or electric motor, which may not be a bad idea.

 

[wvmgmidget]

That would, in a way, mess up proportions. How I did it in my design the battery is one single unit mounted transversely into the car itself. The electric motor itself is composed of two units.

Now that I'm fully awake I can see now why that wouldn't work. Sorry about that

 

[R5]

Which means there would be more room to accommodate a larger engine or electric motor, which may not be a bad idea.

It would also save a lot of weight.

 

[YukinoSuzuka]

It's necesarry to place the batteries as low as possible and in the center of the car, so I think @wvmgmidget has a point with the long battery base. In the center of the cassis, between the 4 wheels and underneath the drivers seat.

I think 1 electric engine in the rear of the car, alongside the V4 isn't helpfull for a 50:50 balance. 1 or 2 small electric engines in the front of the car. Seperate from the V4 and also from the throttle. Just a push-to-pass system and being the pit-limiter is from my point of view also a way of green economics. You can also 'push to curve' the car, earlier accelerating out of corners and pedal to the metal again !

@eran0004 I like your design, from my opinion the Tommy Kairra 'box' dimensions seems to fit the design the best, but yes, we voted for Kei cars And I really want to see a sports car of those dimensions. I think by tweaking your design a little, your spot on for this project. Also the 'shootingbrake'-ish line needs a little trim maybe, but I like it very well. 👍

 

[LosCules24SFA]

@Nessy considered the idea, as well as myself, but I'm not sure on what the others think.

Don't forget about me, Fiat Panda sized single seater lol

 

[YukinoSuzuka]

A single seater is fine to me, but not a formula-ish design, a shrinked F1 car isn't the VGT I'm waiting for. Just a small, epic looking car, fun to drive & fun to watch. For that example ; The VW Lupo Cup car is one of my favorites. Wrong thread here to scream for a premium-version?

 

[R5]

No shrunken F1 car? Awwww I was gonna suggest this...

 

[wvmgmidget]

Is that for the baby stig to drive?

 

[LosCules24SFA]

OK guys instead of using the traditional battery I think I found a good replacement that won't add as much weight and also wouldn't take much space. I've been doing a little research and searching on the Internet and here's what I got: Energy-storing body panels

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/trends-innovations/5-future-car-technologies.htm#page=5

 

[R5]

Is that for the baby stig to drive?

No. Mini-stig can suck crankshafts. This is for Sennaninho!

OK guys instead of using the traditional battery I think I found a good replacement that won't add as much weight and als wwouldn't take much space. I've been doing a little research and searching on the Internet and here's what I got: Energy-storing body panels

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/trends-innovations/5-future-car-technologies.htm#page=5

Tree'd

For the battery system, why not do something the military is experimenting with foe soldiers backpacks?

They're called Structural Batteries and were used in the Drayson racing Electric LMP. They're basically a conversion of CFRP to hold and electrical charge meaning the whole chassis could be the battery.

 

[YukinoSuzuka]

OK guys instead of using the traditional battery I think I found a good replacement that won't add as much weight and als wwouldn't take much space. I've been doing a little research and searching on the Internet and here's what I got: Energy-storing body panels

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/trends-innovations/5-future-car-technologies.htm#page=5

Sounds very VGT to me 👍

 

[Nessy]

Energy storing panels sound perfect. Really good solution there @LosCules24SFA 👍

@eran0004 I understand completely what you mean, with regards to the Scaling down of things compromising the original aesthetics of the design. Though i feel it is maybe too late to start with fresh design polls and such..

Unfortunately, this wouldn't be happening if some had just stuck to the design brief (i think only about 8 or so of the 20 designs were about or within Kei car dimensions) when submitting their designs for the poll (i know i'm sounding like a broken record ). And no @LosCules24SFA, i'm not directing blame towards you (you've already explained there was little you could do, to adjust and compile the vote in this thread). I just feel the reason many voted for @787bcgr appealing design, was because the voters didn't fully understand the design brief, we were all meant to be working to.

*Moan over, back to handing out likes *

I think we'll just have to keep on adjusting the design until we find a happy medium, while not sacrificing too many elements of @787bcgr s design. Though what we really need to do, is ask him if he can work some of that magic that he used to create his original design, into a new smaller design. I think the majority of voters will still love it, as it will still have his design language/DNA instilled into it.

 

[Grandea GTR]

I think we'll just have to keep on adjusting the design until we find a happy medium, while not sacrificing too many elements of @787bcgr s design. Though what we really need to do, is ask him if he can work some of that magic that he used to create his original design, into a new smaller design. I think the majority of voters will still love it, as it will still have his design language/DNA instilled into it.

Maybe we can assist @787bcgr by making our own interpretation of a downsized variant of his design, in order to fit in with the dimension requirements 👍

I think 1 electric engine in the rear of the car, alongside the V4 isn't helpfull for a 50:50 balance. 1 or 2 small electric engines in the front of the car.

While I may argue that 50:50 weight distribution is not always the best way to go, I will say that adding electric motors to the front will make the VGT AWD, violating our criteria. Unless you are planning something else, of course, it might as well be a good idea to place something like ballast on the front of a car to compensate for rear-end heaviness.

 

[Nessy]

Sure, we can help him along, but i think @787bcgr should have the main input into the new adjusted design.

 

[YukinoSuzuka]

I've looked to the design of @eran0004 again and maybe I've found something that can be crucial to eliminate out the design.

For a spotscar, the design has the right dimensions. Long nose, low profile, wide body. Seems good to me.
But for a key car I think this orange/red area had to be skipped or shortened for a design that is in balance within the kei-car regulations. A more cab-forward design.

I take for example a slight bigger car, the Mitsubishi colt, short nose, sharp design, but from headlights till over the windshield it's a design that stands and is in balance. Without going to high in this design, I think the windshield can 'start' at the point where I marked the body orange. I think, with the skills of Eran, he could design in that Autozam AZ-box and he can do this without making it like a toon-car. I believe in you @eran0004

 

[Grandea GTR]

I've looked to the design of @eran0004 again and maybe I've found something that can be crucial to eliminate out the design.

For a spotscar, the design has the right dimensions. Long nose, low profile, wide body. Seems good to me.
But for a key car I think this orange/red area had to be skipped or shortened for a design that is in balance within the kei-car regulations. A more cab-forward design.

I take for example a slight bigger car, the Mitsubishi colt, short nose, sharp design, but from headlights till over the windshield a design that stands and is in balance. I think, with the skills of Eran, this would help to fit the design in that Autozam AZ-box and he can do this, without making it like a toon-car.

Wait, are we making a car that complies to kei car regulations, or are we making a car that is as big as a kei car?

 

[YukinoSuzuka]

Sorry people, I think a lot the last weeks... thanks to a topic that doesn't leave me alone

 

[YukinoSuzuka]

Wait, are we making a car that complies to kei car regulations, or are we making a car that is as big as a kei car?

Sorry, English isn't my native language, I mean the dimensions of a kei-car, not all the keicar regulations, with all those 660cc stuff.

 

[Grandea GTR]

Sorry, English isn't my native language, I mean the dimensions of a kei-car, not all the keicar regulations, with all those 660cc stuff.

I would say the only Kei car dimensions that would matter in order of priority would be: Length, Width, Height.

I think the car is designated to be a sleek, compact, yet low to the ground track star. It would just look plain absurd if we were to make it match the height of that from something, like a Daihatsu Move.

 

[R5]

I would say the only Kei car dimensions that would matter in order of priority would be: Length, Width, Height.

I think the car is designated to be a sleek, compact, yet low to the ground track star. It would just look plain absurd if we were to make it match the height of that from something, like a Daihatsu Move.

It's a limit not a target.

 

[Grandea GTR]

It's a limit not a target.

I know. What I'mean saying is that length and width should be our primary concern in terms of dimensions for the car. The height can be variable, I guess, as long as it isn't that of a far cry to the minimum limit.

If I just missed your point by a longshot, I shall speak no more