GTDesigned: A Community Vision GT Project

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Clarify please? :confused:

It would be difficult, but I think that if a single person drew some or many of the designs others drew, we could see how they actually looked, or how they looked when draw at a single skill level.

Basically, we could see the cars drawn at a single skill level.
 
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I'm against the idea to make the car driveable in a pc-sim.

I think the people from PD are very proud of their work and don't want tot see their car in an other racing game. From my point of view it isn't VGT anymore and I think the Japanese would think the same. Any chance of being implented in GT goes down the drain.

Like someone other said, a VGT needs to be radical, something new, never seen before. I don't want to be the gamebreaker, but from my opinion the Giga-kart from Nessy is more VGT than the car 'we' voted for. Sorry for him, but like I said, @787bcgr s design reminds me too much to the AutoBacs Gariya. It's a nice and sharp design, I'll love tot see it racing, but it's not that radical and different trom other concept cars.
I am guessing that your odds of seeing this in GT are pretty slim. But maybe some of the non-winners might be interested in having their concept come to life.
 
guys all designs that was posted here will be used for the final concept so nobody have to be afraid that their design will be neglected but as @787bcgr win the poll he'll get a bigger portion of design cues. once again i repeat no design be left behind now everyone especially that have posted a design here : @NixxxoN @sk8er913 @Grandea GTR @wvmgmidget @kembro @Sir Bacon @eran0004 @Nessy @grannyshifter @legacyMACHINE @kapnk006 @TacoParty @ItGivesYouWings @Latvija27 @titleguy1 @05XR8 @italian06 @Gt4lover @thestig7807 @sokira @FiftyBelowZero let's start to cook up some skecth of all the designs combined to be developed
 
.........................a VGT needs to be radical, something new, never seen before...................

My entry had water cooled tires, hubless rims, electromagnetic drivetrain, and a removable fly-by-wireless interior HUD cockpit that can be placed in your living room to drive the Gran Turismo Console Game..............or place the cockpit in the actual pit lane at the real Laguna Seca Raceway and race my full size car as a "drone" around the track using my cockpit.........................all from the comfort of pit lane next to the umbrella girls. I guess that wasn't radical enough either......... :lol:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ity-designed-vgt.320425/page-32#post-10318709
 
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Like someone other said, a VGT needs to be radical, something new, never seen before. I don't want to be the gamebreaker, but from my opinion the Giga-kart from Nessy is more VGT than the car 'we' voted for. Sorry for him, but like I said, @787bcgr s design reminds me too much to the AutoBacs Gariya. It's a nice and sharp design, I'll love tot see it racing, but it's not that radical and different trom other concept cars.
I must admit i was a little bit disappointed that the Giga-Kart didn't do as well as i'd hoped, in the poll. I think the reason why other entries did much better than mine and others (@kapnk006 drone design for example), was that some of the voters (rather ironically) may have lacked some vision.

Some people tend to approve of things that they're already familiar with, the same people also know what they like already, but want to see little changes in the same variation - though still in-keeping with the current design language trends. I feel this is why designs such as @787bcgr, @Grandea GTR and @LosCules24SFA were more successful in the polls than my wacky Kart.

With regards to 787bcgr's design (first one, the second one seems more original imo), i'm seeing a lot of Toyota, a bit of Bertone VGT and some Gariya (side windows).

With regards to Grandea GTR's design, i'm seeing Nissan VGT and various existing super/hyper cars.

With regards to LosCules24SFA's design, i'm seeing clear Ferrari throughout (especially 458 headlights).

It's not my intention to cause offence by pointing out, why i think these particular designs are maybe lacking some originality, (so for those concerned, please don't take any). As i'm not immune to it with my own design.. The Kart-cross karts being a clear influence, as well as this:

Puegeot Moovie (this must have been burnt into my subconscious, i only noticed afterwards that the likeness is uncanny). :lol:


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BTW. Happy New Year everyone.
 
................Some people tend to approve of things that they're already familiar with, the same people also know what they like already.................

Traditionally, in crowdsourced development projects............... the COMPONENT CONCEPT is locked in first.....long before the AESTHETIC CONCEPT is voted on. Great strides have initially been made here to lock-in the COMPONENT CONCEPT (Engine Position, Engine Type, Stroke Cycles, Numbers of Cylinders) but it seems like that those attributes have gotten forgotten and the AESTHETIC CONCEPT has gotten much, much more attention. That's human nature, people get more excited with visuals than they do by whats inside. Because this thread does not have the technical and voting tools to more easily manage a crowdsourced project process, it will be challenging to truly create a community designed VGT that will gain momentum, stay focused and not go in all different directions. Again, I thank all the GT VGT Team members here that have spent many hours contributing to this thread and I really hope we can keep it moving along. Cheers!
 
@kapnk006

Although i put a lot of effort into the visuals with my own concept at this early stage, i can't but help agree that the locked in component concept, was the area we really needed to focus on more. At the time (prior to the 'choosing the designer' poll), i voiced my concern that things were maybe being rushed along too quickly. From my understandings, the configuration had been decided (from the previous poll), but many failed to grasp the brief we were working to.. hence: Super car proportioned designs etc etc. It's a shame, because i felt i had to sell my idea (hence a lot of visual effort) to the voters, without getting a proper chance to play around with alternative concept idea's (in hindsight, i'd have liked to try doing a small Kei car concept with rally credentials maybe).

I really do hope we all succeed in making this crowd sourced project a success (even if just by recognition), but i feel it's being rushed along far too quickly.
 
@Nessy as i said in the previous post, that design was intended to be my production car instead of VGT also intended to be a 2-seater berlinetta and a straight competitor to Fezza Speciale, Macca 650S, Lambo Huracan that's why the body design language doesn't go too far from those cars. Anyway my REAL VGT Design was the Fiat Panda sized single seater currently in progress. I'm not here to discuss about my design what i want to say is (and a couple of times already apparently :D) that the final design will be a combination of all of our designs so it will still have your giga-kart DNA. Do I want a new kind of car? of course! that's why i entered a CREATE SOMETHING NEW choice in the previous poll but at the same time we have to be careful with our approach, if we slip too far to our imagination we can end up the same way as Chapparal do (it's a beautiful car and i loved it. a lot of people waiting for it's release but as soon after the cover pulled off they're instead facing a lot of criticisms from the fans and one of the reason is it's laser propulsion although it's real and not fictional) don't let the same thing happen to us. Fortunately your Giga-Kart sits right between Regular same ole same ole and Chapparal but it doesn't mean the others aren't wild enough for VGT i think they based their design on current interest of design language and there's nothing wrong with it, when we actually manage to establish a company (and i'm looking forward to it) we still have to do a little market research on what the people generally like and current trend, it doesn't mean the voters are lack of vision it's just how it is. And i'm totally agree with you, we don't have to rush things off. my only concern is the interest of this project might go down if we take to much times but yeah we shoudn't rush things off :)
 
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My criticism wasn't ment to judge anybody, it was just a poke, a way I think it's necessary to get the best out this group/community and a well balanced VGT, design, etc etc, the whole package. Like Nessy said, it's not that the Giga-kart has to become the vgt we are aiming on. Like the circle-based-rollcage now in his giga kart or that funny rear wing, could be that a detail to implent in our vgt? We don't know yet.

But I like it that we are all agreed together searching and finding the right course for our VGT. Stay tuned and keep up posting here !! I'm practising Rhinoceros bit by bit and hopefully I could help somehow, sometime, somewhere :)

Happy newyear guys ! ;-)
 
IMHO I feel the Aesthetic Concept of @787bcgr design, (that the majority voted for), does meet the Component Concept that was decided by the majority of the community in the initial polling.

As far as I'm concerned we are meeting the brief. To put it back to an aesthetic concept vote is going backwards to appease those whose concepts were not chosen by the majority even if they may have been more unique or futuristic.

The design will evolve as it goes through the CAD stages.

What I would be open to if @787bcgr is ok with it is. Others redrawing his concept and we revote on those to evolve the design but follow the guidance given through both polls. Otherwise it feels like we are going in circles to appease ego's.

Weather we think it is futuristic enough is irrelevant as it's what the community wants as I see it. Sure the design has cues from others like the Autobacs and Lotus, among others but also is different enough to be a unique with active aero built into panels esp over the front wheel arches. All design will have cues from others very few completely new ideas unfortunately.

Happy New Year with many opportunities for you all.
 
Developing the dynamics and the interior of the VGT. Might attempt to make improvements on the exterior itself, if welcome to.
 
As far as I'm concerned we are meeting the brief. To put it back to an aesthetic concept vote is going backwards to appease those whose concepts were not chosen by the majority even if they may have been more unique or futuristic.
No-one is suggesting it goes back to an aesthetic concept vote. Where are you getting this from?

I was a little disappointed by the poll results, (i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one to feel that way), but the aesthetic concept/ lead designer poll is over now, and i agree - there is no point in revisiting/doing it again.

I think what bothered me more, were some designs failed to take on board the basic principal of meeting the design brief, what with suggestions of V8 engines, and cars which clearly had super car proportions and such. In the case of the latter (super car designs), people actually voted for them, which in-turn potentially stole votes from more legitimate designs which adhered to the actual design brief....

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@Grandea GTR

You're right. Interior layout will affect what's going on with the exterior. Remember, we're working to a Kei car sized footprint/overall dimensions (they're actually quite narrow). I think if we go single-seater, it will free up more room for aerodynamically sculpted sides.

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Had a quick go of redrawing 787s design, but iv'e made a few alterations to try and understand the shape a bit more (still don't understand parts of the design). It no-longer looks the same, and iv'e tried to reign in the proportions slightly, to give it a better Kei car size (still needs to be smaller though).

Original sketch by 787 (albeit with it flipped and a slight graphical error, sorry) :





New sketch: (may add a little colour so we can get more of a feel).




Sorry titleguy, i haven't forgotten about your design, i'm just going to put it on the back-burner for a while. 👍
 
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I think before we move to the next phase we better make a 3D Model of every design here. What do you guys think? Anyone want to volunteer for it?
What is the next phase?

3D modeling all the designs is going to be a big task, do we need to model them all?
 
I've tried to do 3D modelling the Gigakart, but my skills aren't good enough yet. Very curious how it will look in 3D and in different colors/tones. Also want to design the head & taillights on this thing.

BUt that's maybe now for the other VGT thread.
 
No-one is suggesting it goes back to an aesthetic concept vote. Where are you getting this from?

I was a little disappointed by the poll results, (i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one to feel that way), but the aesthetic concept/ lead designer poll is over now, and i agree - there is no point in revisiting/doing it again.

I think what bothered me more, were some designs failed to take on board the basic principal of meeting the design brief, what with suggestions of V8 engines, and cars which clearly had super car proportions and such. In the case of the latter (super car designs), people actually voted for them, which in-turn potentially stole votes from more legitimate designs which adhered to the actual design brief....

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@Grandea GTR

You're right. Interior layout will affect what's going on with the exterior. Remember, we're working to a Kei car sized footprint/overall dimensions (they're actually quite narrow). I think if we go single-seater, it will free up more room for aerodynamically sculpted sides.

[EDIT 2]

Had a quick go of redrawing 787s design, but iv'e made a few alterations to try and understand the shape a bit more (still don't understand parts of the design). It no-longer looks the same, and iv'e tried to reign in the proportions slightly, to give it a better Kei car size (still needs to be smaller though).

Original sketch by 787 (albeit with it flipped and a slight graphical error, sorry) :





New sketch: (may add a little colour so we can get more of a feel).




Sorry titleguy, i haven't forgotten about your design, i'm just going to put it on the back-burner for a while. 👍
Could you bring down the front corners to be even with the hood. The gap feels unnecessary and maybe bad for performance.
 
I don't think it's needed. @Nessy this is what I was referring too.
I'm still not clear. In your post you suggested that some may like to have a second poll, to how this thing's going to look, to appease those who were unsuccessful in the poll, but nobody's yet suggested that (afaik).

Could you bring down the front corners to be even with the hood. The gap feels unnecessary and maybe bad for performance.
I could, but that will eliminate the front headlight winglet thingys meeting where they do on the bonnet. I've got to go out know, but will check it out later.

@YukinoSuzuka Wow, that's cool. Thanks! I look forward to seeing your progress (I've yet to delve into 3D properly myself).
I'll check out the other thread when you're ready to show what you've done. (No rush though) 👍
 
Ok I'm confused . No offence but when I'm asking everyone to start making some sketch of all the designs combined and think I'm rushing things off, now when I started to slow things down by asking everyone's help to create a 3D model of all sketch, it's unnecessary and potentially take too much time, but we can't work effectively if some recreating the sketch and some wanted to move to the next step. Here's what I'm thinking who want their model to be CADed tell us in this thread or send me a message I'll help you with that (with some help of course) we'll move to the next phase after we finish CADing the design that want to be modelled. If anyone have a better idea please tell us

Edit : this is the progress of my VGT
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It's practically the same. :lol:
Yours has cut outs over the wheels and his doesn't :P it disrupts the smoothnes..., them cut out. :) now if they were smaller. And the rear also had them. Then I'd probably like it better. ;)

Edit: his just blends in better and a little smaller maybe and the crease on the hood is better.

Yes @Nessy it's a very very settle change but apparently to me it make a huge difference to the whole car. :D
 
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