GTP Cool Wall: 1960 Porsche-Abarth 356B Carrera GTL

[White & Nerdy]

It is a very small car. Even with a cast-iron V6 moving it along, and the heaviest doors known to mankind impeding entry, it weighs only about 2700 lbs, maybe a little more, and 5'7" me has to duck to get in. And it's definitely small enough to be that car that makes you want to rage when you find it occupying the parking space you though was empty, althrough considering 4X4 pickup trucks are everywhere in Alaska that new Charger could probalby pull that off.

 

[Roger the Horse]

You have Golf's in america, and in comparison to a Beetle or something it would be mad to call the latest Golf small, and the Sunbird is 33.5 cm (roughly a foot) longer than the latest Golf.

1.2 tonnes, maybe a little more

Fixed.

Anyway, away from W&Ns goddamn Sunbird. We can't let that and my goddamn Prius take over every goddamn thread.

If I were to drag my mother to Goodwood, and one of these were there, she'd want one. Most fast cars wont do that. It has the same sort of universal appeal as a DB5 or an E-Type.

 

[White & Nerdy]

That's actually pretty surprising. I figured the Golf had expanded into another bloated "compact" battlecruiser like the Cruze and Dart, but I guess it's just another car that just looks big in photos and games.

Of course it might also be wider and taller without being longer. It used to be, the styling ideal was "longer, lower, wider", now it appears to be "shorter*, taller, narrower".

*Actually it can go either way, some cars are probably longer now.

 

[Joel]

You have Golf's in america, and in comparison to a Beetle or something it would be mad to call the latest Golf small, and the Sunbird is 33.5 cm (roughly a foot) longer than the latest Golf.

It's all relative. When the best selling car in North America is a Camry and the best selling vehicle is the the Ford F Series then something like a Sunbird is a small car.

 

[Slash]

You have Golf's in america, and in comparison to a Beetle or something it would be mad to call the latest Golf small, and the Sunbird is 33.5 cm (roughly a foot) longer than the latest Golf.

I've seen exactly one Golf that I can remember in all my 19 years of living in the States.

Everyone and their mother drives a gigantic barge of a 4 door, huge SUV/crossover, or some big ass pickup truck. You'd be hard pressed to find some tiny car out of the UK or somewhere else here unless you were looking to buy one.

It's all relative. When the best selling car in North America is a Camry and the best selling vehicle is the the Ford F Series then something like a Sunbird is a small car.

To top that off, at least 85% of cars from the last 15-20 years are still on the road anyways.

 

[TheCracker]

Small is a relative term. In Europe a sunbird would, for its year, be a mid sized coupe.

Tree'd

 

[White & Nerdy]

And the Beretta would probably be considered a large car. Which it definitely isn't considering it's still small enough to pull the "I THOUGHT THIS SPACE WAS EMPTY! ARRRRRRRG!" troll.

 

[Slash]

Small is a relative term. In Europe a sunbird would, for its year, be a mid sized coupe.

Tree'd

It really is too. Smart cars look like go carts you could ride down a sidewalk and have no place on the road.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Heh, Smarts. I have for many years wanted to stick a note under the wiper of a Smart reading "you dropped this".

Also, this discussion has made me hate Famine's list even more. Being the size of an up! or Adam makes a car less cool, not more.

 

[Roger the Horse]

Being unable to find a parking space your car will fit into makes a car less cool, not more.

Fixed.

This is not a problem one will be likely to suffer from while driving around town in a 356, unless there are just no parking spaces full stop.

 

[TheCracker]

It really is too. Smart cars look like go carts you could ride down a sidewalk and have no place on the road.

They do here too, to be fair.

 

[Roger the Horse]

One of my teachers had a Smart car back when I was in secondary school. A bunch of guys once picked it up and took it all the way to the top of the sports field. It was kinda funny seeing the guy wandering around looking for it.

 

[Slash]

Fixed.

This is not a problem one will be likely to suffer from while driving around town in a 356, unless there are just no parking spaces full stop.

I don't know anyone who would drive that around town lol.

 

[Roger the Horse]

Well, my school wasn't in town. The neighbours on all three sides were farmers. (One somehow never got arrested for growing weed, one was an angry old git cattle farmer who somehow never got arrested for pointing his shotgun at people all the time, and one was involved in some seriously heavy duty wheat growing.

 

[Famine]

I think my main beef is with the part where he says supercars or aggressively styled cars are automatically uncool

Yep.

or that small cars are automatically cool.

Nope.

My Sunbird is a small car

Nope.

Also, this discussion has made me hate Famine's list even more. Being the size of an up! or Adam makes a car less cool, not more.

It's likely going to be a while before you hear this sentence out loud, but size doesn't matter in the slightest.

 

[CarBastard]

Heh, Smarts. I have for many years wanted to stick a note under the wiper of a Smart reading "you dropped this". Being the size of an up! or Adam makes a car less cool, not more.

If you think size matters, I've got bad news for you.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Meh. A Porsche no one but enthusiasts has heard of.

That's not true race fans, baby boomers and Jerry Seinfeld fans, as well as collectors all over the world and Porsche fans as you said. I'm sure I'm missing others but that's not nearly as bad as the comment you made

If you think size matters, I've got bad news for you.

My sides oh my sides and @Famine just made me laugh even more.

 

[xXKingJoshXx]

If you think size matters, I've got bad news for you.

 

[homeforsummer]

I've seen exactly one Golf that I can remember in all my 19 years of living in the States.

Everyone and their mother drives a gigantic barge of a 4 door, huge SUV/crossover, or some big ass pickup truck. You'd be hard pressed to find some tiny car out of the UK or somewhere else here unless you were looking to buy one.

Location has a lot to do with it. If you live where your profile says you do (and if you've barely been beyond there in your 19 years of living in the states), then you're pretty much out in the sticks, where everyone drives enormous vehicles as a matter of course. Head into NYC, or many, many of the cities I visited on my two trips to the U.S, and Golf-sized cars are a lot more common.

Heck, I know California is hardly a barometer for the rest of the country but the place is teeming with smaller cars. Quite a few Fiat 500s, more than a few Smarts, plenty of Golfs and similar. Colorado seems to be knee-deep in Imprezas, if my schlep through there in September was anything to go by.

 

[Slash]

Location has a lot to do with it. If you live where your profile says you do (and if you've barely been beyond there in your 19 years of living in the states), then you're pretty much out in the sticks, where everyone drives enormous vehicles as a matter of course. Head into NYC, or many, many of the cities I visited on my two trips to the U.S, and Golf-sized cars are a lot more common.

Heck, I know California is hardly a barometer for the rest of the country but the place is teeming with smaller cars. Quite a few Fiat 500s, more than a few Smarts, plenty of Golfs and similar. Colorado seems to be knee-deep in Imprezas, if my schlep through there in September was anything to go by.

I've been to a a few major cities (Buffalo, Rochester, Albany, Washington DC) but yeah I live basiaclly out in the middle of nowhere. Otherwise I've really been elsewhere minus other "way out in the middle of nowhere" places in other states.

I wouldn't doubt things change.

 

[TheCracker]

They've been selling about 30,000 Golf/Rabbits a year, for 40 years in the states, so they ain't that rare. But then, they're bound to be more popular in dense urban areas.

 

[Joey D]

Comes into a thread about a 1960's Porsche, sees talk about a Sunbird...wat?

 

[Slash]

Comes into a thread about a 1960's Porsche, sees talk about a Sunbird...wat?

You had to have known this was coming...

 

[Crash]

I think nlky and Zenith hit the nail on the head at the beginning of the thread.

Sub zero from me.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Comes into a thread about a 1960's Porsche, sees talk about a Sunbird...wat?

It's not a cool thread unless W&N is comparing or talking about his crap box rather than the what is really suppose to be talked about.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I'm giving that masterpiece Sub-Zero.

Also, nonononononononononoNO; please, just please no more talking about the blasted Pontiac. NO SUNBIRD, NO!

 

[CarBastard]

Comes into a thread about a 1960's Porsche, sees talk about a Sunbird...wat?

You had to have known this was coming...

It's not a cool thread unless W&N is comparing or talking about his crap box rather than the what is really suppose to be talked about.

I'm giving that masterpiece Sub-Zero.

Also, nonononononononononoNO; please, just please no more talking about the blasted Pontiac. NO SUNBIRD, NO!

I have a suggestion so we can avoid such discussions happening again.

You see, the bottom of the barrel in the Cool Wall results thread, that darned place where the 5000bhp arab thingy sits is called "DUNGEON"/"OUTHOUSE"...BUT...it's a name open to suggestions. So, how about a little challenge W&N? If you mention your beloved Sunbird three times more in any present or upcoming Cool Wall voting thread, that section of the results thread is named "Pontiac Sunbird's back seat" or something like that. Three posts about the Sunbird more, anywhere Cool Wall related, three strikes and you're out! Sounds fun, doesn't it guys!?

 

[Azure Flare]

It's not a cool thread unless W&N is comparing or talking about his crap box rather than the what is really suppose to be talked about.

You just wait until my car comes up!

 

[White & Nerdy]

I have a suggestion so we can avoid such discussions happening again.

You see, the bottom of the barrel in the Cool Wall results thread, that darned place where the 5000bhp arab thingy sits is called "DUNGEON"/"OUTHOUSE"...BUT...it's a name open to suggestions. So, how about a little challenge W&N? If you mention your beloved Sunbird three times more in any present or upcoming Cool Wall voting thread, that section of the results thread is named "Pontiac Sunbird's back seat" or something like that. Three posts about the Sunbird more, anywhere Cool Wall related, three strikes and you're out! Sounds fun, doesn't it guys!?

Maybe if you'll let me rename Hell after a certain TV show the next time someone says a car is too flashy, or aggressive, or whatever ro be cool.

 

[Azure Flare]

I am seriously getting tired of your anti-MLP BS, and you talking about your car as if it's God's chariot.