GTP Cool Wall: 1970-1978 AMC Gremlin
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Obnoxious exhausts aren't cool.
That's simply trying too hard to draw attention to yourself. Hacking up a perfectly useable exhaust system in a backyard engineering attempt to free up more power... instead throwing off your air-fuel mix, losing bottom end and generally running worse than if you have a decent exhaust.
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I recall some words of wisdom I heard from a well-known local tuner at the racetrack a long time ago: If it sounds good (good being relative, since racing cars are shrieking, rattling banshees), then the engine tuner is doing something right.
I listen to a lot of obnoxious exhausts. And all I can think of every time I hear a blatty exhaust on a road car is: "Dear lord, his header design sounds like ****."
That's simply trying too hard to draw attention to yourself. Hacking up a perfectly useable exhaust system in a backyard engineering attempt to free up more power... instead throwing off your air-fuel mix, losing bottom end and generally running worse than if you have a decent exhaust.
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I recall some words of wisdom I heard from a well-known local tuner at the racetrack a long time ago: If it sounds good (good being relative, since racing cars are shrieking, rattling banshees), then the engine tuner is doing something right.
I listen to a lot of obnoxious exhausts. And all I can think of every time I hear a blatty exhaust on a road car is: "Dear lord, his header design sounds like ****."
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- ScottPuss20
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That's not a compact car
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Well its shorter and narrower then a current Mazda 3 Sedan.
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Ever been in/around a LH/LX? They're effin' tiny.
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This wasn't one of those cool AMC, Javelin sure, Rambler perhaps, AMX most days, but the Gremlin...was in the same league as the Pacer, Pinto, Chevette, Yugo...and Geo. As far as the power squeezing outside the show room, you basically explained most cars if not all, especially when you take off all the eco box tools that bog them down in the first place.
Yes I was waiting for this, since it's the most go to method of Gremlin fans as much as it is for Chevy fans to quote why the LS production series = best engine series ever. Also Chevette and Luv fans do this quite a bit too, like those in favor of the Gremlin. Beetle fans or a certain degree do it as well. Yet the one issue with both groups is that these things only become great when you go to lengths of money spending and labor to change them from the SU show room manufactured form* (which is what we're voting on) to what ever cool super monster dream you or anyone else has.
*The only exception to this rule is toward production cars from the show room floor becoming racer cars with little variation or middle ground variation. This doesn't count the garage builder because if it did virtually any car is SZ with time and money and the right builder.
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Especially when the quoted weight figure is for the 4 Cylinder.
I would be surprised if the V8 is under 1500kg.
Also: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/...cture-the-amc-gremlin-takes-on-the-vw-beetle/
Click on the picture to get the video, lolz will be had.
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8.5 to 60 for the earlier, lighter ones.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1970-1978-amc-gremlin8.htm
Even the Popular Science as-tested weights show near 2600 pounds for the early 4 seat six, and the relatively compact AMC V8 wouldn't have been 600 pounds heavier than the full size straight 6.
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The 6.6 was externally the same engine. Just like the contemporary Pontiac engines, they were all built off of basically the same block and varied in cylinder displacement. If they also transplanted the Javelin's accessories and dual exhaust it would have been somewhat heavier, but that would still be, what, 2900-3000 pounds for a car with 255 horsepower?
But as you said, it was essentially a hand-built specific dealer option so it doesn't really factor in.
But as you said, it was essentially a hand-built specific dealer option so it doesn't really factor in.
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I guess we Australians were spoilt at the same period when it came to Light V8s: http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_torana_LX_technical_specifications.htm
The LX Holden Torana SS Hatchback had 240hp at 1180kg in 1976 from a 5.0L V8.
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I voted S-Z for the production spec model in the OP.
Yeah that's great and all, but then you support it with what I quoted you at and I countered accordingly so...great eyeroll but if you can't connect the dots, sorry for you.
In other words you talk about how they can be turned into something of a monster for the road, and I say (to make it simple for you) who cares considering any car can be turned into one. And it doesn't help it become any more cool because it's still a crappy car as bought and uncool to SU.
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Fun cars to use in a drag event if you have the right parts.
Cool to me.
Cool to me.
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I love it. It's a sub-zero. Many dislike it but I respect their opinions.
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Your the expert on what is cool and what is not.
It's you're sir, and if you want to proclaim me that go right ahead, sarcastically or not. I fall in line with all the others that do it as well which is pretty much everyone who participates in this thread. If you don't want to have an actual conversation it would have been easier to keep me on ignore rather than this somewhat childish act.
I mean at least @Slash tries
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There are quite a few AMC's that I would consider cool. This is not one of them
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Thanks grammar Nazi.
The difference between you and the others on here who question my cool wall votes is that they can actually have an intelligent, civilized discussion like human beings.
You on the other hand go on the attack right away, start firing insults and talking down to me, then tell me to put you on ignore. I already spent enough time on you.
