GTP Cool Wall: 1992-1998, 2007+ Light Car Company Rocket

1992-1998, 2007+ Light Car Company Rocket


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Top Gears original judgement was how would you look pulling up to Kristin Scott Thomas's place which implies how you appear to onlookers is just as important as the car.



If there's an SIARPC segment people should watch, it's this one.

Here, Kristin Scott Thomas destroys the entire cool wall. Because Clarkson uses her as the Cool Wall muse, and in one interview, she disagrees with most of his Cool Wall picks. :lol:

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The Cool Wall is completely, utterly subjective. And completely bollocks. What matters is that your reason for your vote is yours and yours alone and completely defensible... or as defensible as any completely subjective reason can be. :lol:
 


If there's an SIARPC segment people should watch, it's this one.

Here, Kristin Scott Thomas destroys the entire cool wall. Because Clarkson uses her as the Cool Wall muse, and in one interview, she disagrees with most of his Cool Wall picks. :lol:

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The Cool Wall is completely, utterly subjective. And completely bollocks. What matters is that your reason for your vote is yours and yours alone and completely defensible... or as defensible as any completely subjective reason can be. :lol:


Oh yeah, I know - that wasn't my point however. My point was that the intent of the wall seems to be just as much about what others think of the person driving it as the car its self.

Like I said, we all have different criteria, methods of judgement and ideas of what's a "Cool" car - it's what makes these threads so unique and interesting to watch play out as long as people leave the petty nonsense at the door haha/
 
Petty? Us? Heaven forfend! :D

Yes, it's often even more interesting when people you'd usually agree with vote differently from you. Good mental exercise, and it actually helps you understand the psychology behind car purchases and non-purchases...
 
And, if that's so - the fact that you just happened to have the same opinion as his, not simply basing your thoughts on what he said, it's probably more reasonable for you to not mention him in the very first place. Why would you do that? I think, to some people, you made it sound like your opinion depends on him.

I didn't, somebody else brought up Top Gear and accused me of such. As I said before, I agree with Clarkson on the Caterham, but disagree on most other cars.

In any case, this thread is supposed to be about the Rocket, not Caterhams and Top Gear.
 
I watched the first part of the video about the Morgan, and during the normal camera shot, where the camera is facing him, the guy is not wearing a hat. In the shot from behind, looking over the car, he's wearing a striped hat. And in the drive-by shots, a helmet is clearly being worn.

Not that it's all that important, but at least Top Gear has consistency.
So you'd rather nitpick and find anything wrong with anything that isn't Top Gear and continue to blindly follow TG?
 
I refrain from judging a car based on the people who drive it, because every car is driven by "uncool" people. Image sometimes counts, but only so far as how the car presents itself.
There is a fair case for certain cars in particular attracting the "wrong" sort of person because of their attributes, though.

Both the Miura and Gallardo are mid-engined Lamborghini sports cars (/supercars, but I'm not getting into that argument...). But to me, the Miura is cool and the Gallardo uncool - preferences on styling aside, the former marks you out as a connoisseur, the latter as something else beginning with "c". The Miura is for someone who wants to appreciate the qualities of driving a Lamborghini, the Gallardo is a car for people who want to be seen driving a Lamborghini because it's a Lamborghini.

Of course, if the driver is one who takes his car to regular trackdays or backroad blasts, then they may get a pass. But the majority, I suspect, don't. And it affects the coolness of the car for me - not least because manufacturers pander towards these sort of people*. I can't recall the last time I saw a Ferrari, or Lamborghini or similar doing anything other than making a noise in a town center, or being parked outside some expensive shops.

In fairness to someone buying something like this Rocket, I suspect I'm highly unlikely to see one hard-parked as it's not that sort of car. You would, as I said in my first post and several others have added since, look a bit of a tit rolling around town in it.

I still haven't decided on whether the former is worthy of cancelling out the latter just yet. As an object to own and appreciate on the right road, it's cool. As a vehicle to actually drive down the road in, not so much.




* Apart from Bristol. Bristol is a cool marque. Tony Crook would only sell a car to you if he actually liked you. If you were a bit of a knob, no Bristol for you. By definition, everyone driving a Bristol is someone who should be driving a Bristol...
 
So you'd rather nitpick and find anything wrong with anything that isn't Top Gear and continue to blindly follow TG?

I'm done with this debate. I'm not repeating myself any more. I've already answered that.
 
I'll add something to this. Cars that are deffinitely, unquestionably meant for track duty can be a two-sided knife. I remember well when a guy showed up at a track day in his brand spankin' new Radical, which is a downscaled LMP car for all practical matters, and every one of the regular "fast guys" with Porsches and modified-to-hell pocket rockets and GTRs and such immediately saw him as the guy to beat.

The guy donned his racing suit, valaclava and all that stuff, started this incredibly loud car, and then proceeded to drive like crap. At the end of the first hit he had been beaten to hell by modified Camaros and SRT4s.

So even if a car like this can make you look like a freaking bad-ass in a context where it will supposedly shine, that is, a race track, it can also make you look like a complete moron. You have to have hands in order to make a car like this shine.
 
There are plenty of cars on the GTP ‘Cool Wall’ rated cool or seriously cool that would make you look equally idiotic as the Rocket if you drove them through a city/town – from the seriously cool section I’ll pick the Atom and the Dauer 962.

The Atom is a climbing frame with an engine. The Dauer a Le Mans car made road legal.

Why would you ever take a Rocket in to a town anyway? It’s got zero room for shopping!

It’s a car to take out early on a Sunday morning for a blast down your favourite A/B road, and would be tucked up, back in its garage before most of the general public had finished reading their Sunday paper and drinking their morning coffee.

Just because it’s styled somewhat like a 50’s GP car, the Rocket is NOT a track day special as per Caterfield/Atom/Mono/Radical.

The Gallardo is a car for people who want to be seen driving a Lamborghini because it's a Lamborghini.

Of course, if the driver is one who takes his car to regular trackdays or backroad blasts, then they may get a pass. But the majority, I suspect, don't. And it affects the coolness of the car for me - not least because manufacturers pander towards these sort of people*. I can't recall the last time I saw a Ferrari, or Lamborghini or similar doing anything other than making a noise in a town center, or being parked outside some expensive shops.

In fairness to someone buying something like this Rocket, I suspect I'm highly unlikely to see one hard-parked as it's not that sort of car. You would, as I said in my first post and several others have added since, look a bit of a tit rolling around town in it.

That’s the issue with Ferrari and Lamborghini for me...

Never mind regular Gallardo’s and 430/458’s, you don't even see 430 Scuds or the harder Gallardo’s on track days either.

Owners are far too concerned about keeping the mileage down to protect the residuals than they are about driving them properly. You’re far more likely to see them driven through central London in as low a gear as possible to make as much ‘LOOK AT ME’ noise as possible as you ever are to see them used in anger.

It’s one of the reasons that draws me to Porsche as a manufacturer. Go to any track day and you’ll see loads of GT3’s and generally a good number of cooking 911’s too. Look through the classifieds, and you rarely see sub 10k mile GT3’s whereas virtually every Ferrari has hardly ever been driven.

Owners talk about the ‘theatre’ or ‘event’ of driving them, and then hardly ever drive them unless it's to take them where loads of people will see them.
 
That’s the issue with Ferrari and Lamborghini for me...

Never mind regular Gallardo’s and 430/458’s, you don't even see 430 Scuds or the harder Gallardo’s on track days either.

Owners are far too concerned about keeping the mileage down to protect the residuals than they are about driving them properly. You’re far more likely to see them driven through central London in as low a gear as possible to make as much ‘LOOK AT ME’ noise as possible as you ever are to see them used in anger.

It’s one of the reasons that draws me to Porsche as a manufacturer. Go to any track day and you’ll see loads of GT3’s and generally a good number of cooking 911’s too. Look through the classifieds, and you rarely see sub 10k mile GT3’s whereas virtually every Ferrari has hardly ever been driven.

Owners talk about the ‘theatre’ or ‘event’ of driving them, and then hardly ever drive them unless it's to take them where loads of people will see them.

Out of all the guys with Ferrairs in here, I've only seen one that really drives his car haaaard, as in tail-wagging corner exit hard: a 550 Maranello, wich makes it all the more awesome. The guy also has an Enzo of all things, but he babies that car much more than the Maranello. All of the other Ferrari drivers are posers of the first magnitude. Same for Lambo dudes, only one of them drives his properly, but he's a pretty seasoned driver so he knows how to squirt Superleggera juice out of his car.

Porsche guys? Yeah, they do drive harder, at least so many more of them.
 
I have to say, since I posted that comment I did remember going to a hillclimb event last year where one of the clubs competing was a Ferrari club.

Not only did they have the expected stuff there - a 308 GT4, a couple of 355s (Ferraris that people *do* seem to use properly these days, as the price came down far enough to not worry about them as much), even a 246 Dino - but someone had actually brought a California. As in, the poseur's Ferrari among poseur Ferraris. I almost fell over backwards with shock that someone was using it as God intended.
 
someone had actually brought a California. As in, the poseur's Ferrari among poseur Ferraris. I almost fell over backwards with shock that someone was using it as God intended.

:lol:

There's always an exception to the rule :)
 
I find it hard to believe that nobody has called you out on this...

Just what is your opinion on this?

I once thought of getting rid of "Meh" and raising the upper limit of Uncool. Like I said, boring is uncool (that's the reason the Toyota Camry is SU). A space between cool and uncool is more where you'd find cars that are cool and uncool at the same time, or where you can't really decide.

Like that Mustang SVO. It was the fastest Mustang available at the time... but it was also an attempt to make a more European Mustang, which is oxymoronic. Thus it's really neither cool nor uncool.

It’s one of the reasons that draws me to Porsche as a manufacturer. Go to any track day and you’ll see loads of GT3’s and generally a good number of cooking 911’s too. Look through the classifieds, and you rarely see sub 10k mile GT3’s whereas virtually every Ferrari has hardly ever been driven.
Porsche is interesting that way. It's cheaper than other supercar brands (though it makes up for it with options), so you can thrash them harder without worrying about resale vaule so much... but that lower price also allows an even greater number of posers to buy them. Kind of like a Corvette, only instead of being a car with high innate coolness driven by almost-borderline-cool posers, it's a car with less innate coolness being driven by golf-playing, $20,000-watch-wearing upper middle managers with bad toupees.
 
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The insane stereotypes of car owners is awesome a good laugh for me.
Often just makes me wonder how many people actually have friends who own the kinds of cars we make stereotypes about. Kinda makes me think we should have a "what does this car say about it's driver" thread for our own cars with each of us posting our car and what we think it says to other drivers. 👍

That said, I went seriously uncool on this one.
I don't care who designed it or anything like that... There are other cars like the Caterham or aerial that I'd much rather own.

Btw,
I absolutely love how that woman destroyed Clarkson's cool wall and made him look like a total arse because he was so quick to just roll over and take it.
I'd love to see someone like Kaz or Chris Harris have a look at the GTP's cool wall.
 
Both the Miura and Gallardo are mid-engined Lamborghini sports cars (/supercars, but I'm not getting into that argument...). But to me, the Miura is cool and the Gallardo uncool - preferences on styling aside, the former marks you out as a connoisseur, the latter as something else beginning with "c".
A Clarkson?

I find it hard to believe that nobody has called you out on this...
The entire reason the Cool Wall is in White & Nerdy's hands now in the first place is because I railed against how stupid I thought the "meh" option was for the purposes of judging a car's coolness, so...
 
* Apart from Bristol. Bristol is a cool marque. Tony Crook would only sell a car to you if he actually liked you. If you were a bit of a knob, no Bristol for you. By definition, everyone driving a Bristol is someone who should be driving a Bristol...

Even the Gallagher brothers?
 
There is a fair case for certain cars in particular attracting the "wrong" sort of person because of their attributes, though.

Both the Miura and Gallardo are mid-engined Lamborghini sports cars (/supercars, but I'm not getting into that argument...). But to me, the Miura is cool and the Gallardo uncool - preferences on styling aside, the former marks you out as a connoisseur, the latter as something else beginning with "c". The Miura is for someone who wants to appreciate the qualities of driving a Lamborghini, the Gallardo is a car for people who want to be seen driving a Lamborghini because it's a Lamborghini.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but wouldn't this be a result of the eras both cars were built in?
 
I'm not saying you're wrong, but wouldn't this be a result of the eras both cars were built in?
It depends, I guess. Marques like that now make greater sales than they used to. I've not checked how prices have risen or fallen according to inflation, but success aside I'm not sure it's a good thing that each is now relatively common compared to how they used to be. I could probably count the number of Ferraris I saw on the road on one hand throughout my childhood, nowadays I run out of fingers half way through the year.

In the same way performance has elevated beyond how they used to be, I think clientele has too. To find the modern-day supercars that aren't bought by arses (rappers, footballers and the like) you need to move to the higher-end stuff. I don't know how many insufferable people drive Paganis for example, but it doesn't strike me as that sort of car.

The flip-side to my original post is that back in the 1960s people probably bought Ferraris and Lamborghinis for the badge too. Maybe Lamborghini less so as it had less heritage to call upon, but then I guess Ferrari had only been around for a decade and a bit by that point too.

The flip-side to that is that anyone buying a classic Ferrari/Lambo/whatever else these days probably isn't doing so to show off outside a high-end nightclub. To stereotype a little, the average footballer's wife/girlfriend/mistress/bit of tail at a club probably couldn't tell a 330 GTC from an MGB, but rock up somewhere in a bright red 458 and it's fairly obvious what sort of statement you're making.
Even the Gallagher brothers?
Maybe Crook was having an off-day...

(At least people like Paul Smith and Peter Sellers were also Bristol owners)
 
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Love what it is, hate the styling. Ermagerd it's out of proportion. Cool.
 
I don't see what that has to do with my enthusiasm for cars?

Just because I judge a car by different criteria to you doesn't make me any less of a car fanatic.

It's also worth noting that unless I missed something nobody mentioned anything about "Posing", merely how much of a tit you look sitting at the lights to onlookers.

Oh, and I'd personally hardly call this flight attendants chair that's hidden under a cowl "taking a passenger"

ROcket-rear-seat-L.jpg

I have actually been a passenger in one of those seats and I'm 6'7". It is perfectly comfortable once you are in and the Rocket did in fact win a Gumball with a passenger of similar height.

I wouldn't want to comment on whether it's cool or uncool but a lot of people miss the point of this car. They are the most amazing road car if you are after pure driving pleasure. Granted they aren't great for doing the weekly shop or going camping but that's not the point.

For what it's worth I've never been in a car that gets as much love on the streets. People take pictures, smile and give you the thumbs up. Even bikers love it! You don't worry about how you look when piloting a Rocket, you are too busy having fun.

....oh and you don't have to wear a helmet as someone said earlier :)

Peace.
 
I can't even look at that thing without making a face about its ugliness or without laughing at how stupid I think it is. If you're going to get a car like that, get an Ariel Atom.
 
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