GTP Cool Wall: 2004-2009 Honda S2000

[Beeblebrox237]

I don't think I am, I know I am. [better]

I'm not going to have a discussion with you if I'm going to get treated like that. You're not worth my time or respect.

 

[Slash]

It happens But because you're better about presenting yourself, it is easier to understand your position, which makes it easier to discuss things with you, and you've come to appreciate other views more.

Even if I don't agree with your opinions, I do appreciate the knowledge that can be gained when they are expressed.

I try to be more understanding and accept others positions on things more often now, even though sometimes I can still be quite stubborn. 👍

 

[Azuremen]

I'm not going to have a discussion with you if I'm going to get treated like that. You're not worth my time or respect.

Mature. You just said I'm more experienced, more knowledgeable. How does that not give my opinion more weight? It has nothing to do with my age but rather my experiences and education, which is why someone 21 years of age looking for a job is going to have a better time than someone 18. They are better qualified. Would you listen to the first year medical student over the doctor with 20 years experience, especially when that first year has made it clear they aren't that confident about the subject?

Think about it, and get some thicker skin. And don't read into things how you want, which I suspect is you want to believe I think I'm a better person than you. That isn't the case. I'm just better qualified to talk about cars.

You can stick your fingers in your ears all you like, it won't hurt me a bit, but it certainly won't help you.

 

[Bopop4]

But you are building an opinion on something you've never experienced directly. It would be like me bashing Forza or GT while never playing one or the other. On top of that, sports cars have soul and personal elements that are quite subjective, so while you claim to prefer the high revving, low torque concept (as I once did) you might change your mind at the drop of hat upon experiencing it.

You can still have opinions on things while never having directly experienced them.
I can't form a more specific opinion about it, but I can have a general opinion from what I've done in other disciplines.

I prefer the screamers for racing, because of the outright speed.
You can't always have that because of cost and reliability, so different approaches are required.
Basically, I like high revvers, but I don't dislike regular engines either.
I like the Z06 because of the massive engine and flat power curve, and I like a turbo I4 because of the surge of power that doesn't normally come with a small engine.

If the engine in your M3 could pull another 2 grand while still maintain torque, would you not like that better than what it is now? You could have a wider powerband, and gain power.

You don't need more power, but it certainly is nice when you want it. Quickly being able to pick up speed when the person in front you merger onto the Freeway thought 30mph into 80mph traffic would work, etc.

But I've never needed or wanted it. If you don't need the power then it's pointless to have more because it'll just waste gas. My car is fairly light though, so something a bit larger might be helpful in a full size sedan.

It is cool for about a week. And then it gets tiresome.

You don't wring it out on the street, you do that on the track.

I started riding bikes when I was 4, but this is a very, very apples and oranges thing to compare. They are just different.

What bikes have you ridden?

Personal preference is great, but it is harder to build a strong opinion when you haven't experienced much of what you are talking about.

Personal preference is great. I would like the S2000 with a 240hp 9000rpm engine rather than a 180hp 7000rpm engine that was the result of not pushing the envelope.

It gets exhausting to deal with over time, tedious almost.

Then why don't you get an automatic Lexus V8? Plenty of room, no tedious shifting, and a wide powerband for merging.

Much like you talking about manuals!!!111

Manuals are fun, they let you enjoy the boring drive while also saving gas.

Only time it hurts is in traffic where you 2 kilometers in half an hour. And that's not even from the constant movement, that's just because it's putting extra stress on the clutch.

and yet written a small essay on what a sports car is, how it should drive, and driving in general.

Sports car, for sports.

Designed to handle well, corner fast, and be fast in a straight line. Almost everyone knows that.

If a car can do that while also being drive able in the everyday, then it fits the bill. And since all street cars can do that, then it's a sports car.

I went though and explained years and years of my experience with cars and revvy engines,

So does that mean that I have the final say on screamers then? No, I think I have wider experience with engine types, but that doesn't mean I my word is the end all.

The fact I spend time discussing anything with you is a sign of respect.

I don't think I am, I know I am.


The way you and Bebop go about these things isn't any different than how Harry does, minus being a bit more articulate.

You seem to think I argue to "win,"

Reading all this it seems that you're putting yourself up on a pedestal where you can rain down opinions on others without theirs being able to reach you.

You can't just dismiss someones experience because it doesn't line up with the way you see it, it's a bit arrogant.

We're not arguing to "win", we're arguing because it seems that you can't seem to accept that some people are fine without a lot of low down torque.

I don't rev the pants off a car every time I drive it. I do enjoy it, though, and I don't mind doing it when I need to. Just because something is true for you doesn't mean it's true for anyone, regardless of how much more experience you have.

I may not have the automotive experience that you have, but I have driven thousands of miles in different cars and different situations. I've experienced traffic jams, in a manual, and I honestly didn't think it was that bad.

I'm not saying I'm not an idiot or a douche, because I am and I'll own up to it. But I try to treat you with respect and I'd appreciate it if you returned the favour. The attitude that I'm getting from your post is that you think you're more qualified, smarter, and better than me simply because you're older and more experienced. That's probably true, but it won't be for everyone, and I'm old enough and experienced to know what I like in a car right now. In 10 years my tastes may change, sure, but it doesn't mean my tastes in 10 years are superior to my tastes now. I have my opinions, you have yours, and we don't overlap very much. But it doesn't make either of us wrong, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't write my opinion off as invalid just because you're older and more experienced than I am, and I'd imagine that Bopop feels the same way.

I only read this after I did that other stuff^, but that's exactly what I'm getting at. I wanted to trim the quote down but it's all related to me so I had to keep it.

I'm just better qualified to talk about cars.

From what I've read, you're just better at talking about your own opinions of cars on the street.
You cannot argue fact about powerbands and daily driving when all modern cars have more than enough power at any rpm to move the car effectively.

 

[Grayfox]

How can you not love 1,000,000 unicorns farting all at once when you get to 6000rpm.

Unicorn Boost.

 

[Azure Flare]

How can you not love 1,000,000 unicorns farting all at once when you get to 6000rpm.

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WHAT?

 

[Grayfox]

I...

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WHAT?

4:40

 

[Wolfe]

I understand how people with the means to buy faster cars could find themselves underwhelmed with the S2000's plebeian performance below the VTEC point, but to me the F20 is like frosting and a cherry on top of a familiar dish. I've never owned a car that could generate any more torque than the S2000 can -- my E30 made about as much peak torque per pound as the S2000 musters in its lower range -- and yet I enjoy driving all the same. It's not like I would turn down something with a more balanced torque curve (like the 3.5L V6 in my wife's car), but I have nothing against a car that does what any average car can do, plus rip into a high-RPM powerband. What I don't like is a grunty engine that becomes asthmatic in the upper RPM range (like the 3.1L V6 in my sister's Oldsmobile, and some Sunbirds). That's my preference.

I think I'm around the same age as you, @Azuremen (28 in September), but I also agree with @Beeblebrox237 and @Bopop4. No doubt, this subforum has enough nonsensical and groundless speculation from certain younger members, and any contestable preference is worth some friendly prodding. But if age and experience is qualification, then I'll chime in and say I still appreciate an engine with a torque profile like the F20's. I have not owned an S2000, but my Ninja takes about as long to hit 60mph (unlike many motorcycles), and doesn't reach its real powerband until the S2000 is already redlining (from 8000 to 14000RPM). Most tellingly, common wisdom among bike guys is that my little 250 should have gotten "very old, very fast," but I've had it for seven years with no intention to replace it.

Your advice is fair, Azuremen, but the shift in preferences is not a necessary result of growing older. I'm also with Beeblebrox237 on manual transmissions, but that's for a different thread.