GTP Cool Wall: 2012+ BMW M5

2012+ BMW M5


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certainly cooler than the E60, by a pretty wide margin.

But... but where's the V10 at?

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That alone means the F10 skirts into boring territory more than the E60 ever did. Though the performance stats have increased slightly with the current car, one of the only aspects of the previous M5 that gave it character was in-turn sacrificed. Even with a marginally more comely design - while still as subdued as the E60's Q car looks - I'd say this doesn't illicit the same buzz as the car it replaced, which is borderline cool nowadays.

This has enough to just about keep it from falling into uncool, though it comes close thanks to the mock engine sounds. But with the E60 currently knocking at cool's door, the wasteland will have to do.
 
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Uncool.

That's not to say that it's a bad car, but it's a modern M and still very much has a whiff of "I am a Piers Morgan" about it.
 
It's awesomely quick, tactile, agile, comfortable, capable and useful. It also looks pretty great compared to the E60 (which I did vote cool, despite the looks, because it sounds like a chainsaw).

Still... this is a car that's so insecure about being a sophisticated, modern turbocharged supersedan that it needs artificial engine music played via the loudspeakers instead of just being piped into the cabin via sound tubes.

That brings it down to an uncool, for me.
 
Uncool. Not the best 5-series for the things that people buy 5-series for, for reasons already mentioned here. The artificial sound track knocks it from meh to uncool.
 
Still... this is a car that's so insecure about being a sophisticated, modern turbocharged supersedan that it needs artificial engine music played via the loudspeakers instead of just being piped into the cabin via sound tubes.

Wait, are you saying it has artificial engine noise played into the cockpit? If so, that is astoundingly pathetic and I would have changed to SU.
 
It's one of the most controversial features of the car actually.
I've always been in two minds about features like that.

A car like the M5 should, really, have some natural character - a bit of extra noise won't really harm its refinement to a degree that nobody will want to use it on longer distances. That's kinda the point of the performance ones really - a quick, refined car that has a naughty side. The preferred option for this is simply not putting as much sound-deadening material in, and giving it a noisier exhaust.

But this is where the M5 belies that it's just a 5-Series with some different bits bolted to it on the same production line as other 5-Series, rather than being put together in an M workshop somewhere. It'd be far more effort for BMW to do the preferred method than it would just to bodge a system using the car's speakers (another standard 5-Series part, natch).

And ultimately, the end result is kinda the same. I've driven the M135i with the sound symposer and at no point did I even think about the fact the sound was "fake". As far as I was concerned, it was a bloody rapid little car that sounded great but wouldn't be hard to live with.

...At which point you come back to the reality that the M135i, or the M5, is designed to be used every day, and the symposer is a nice way of doing that. The same could be said of a GT86 or a Fiesta ST which do a similar thing, albeit with a rather more low-tech bit of plastic that transfers induction noise into the cabin.

So the fake sounds don't really affect the cool rating of the M5 for me. The fact it's a 5-Series is far more of an issue. 5-Series of any sort only start getting cool when they've got a bit of patina and their first few banker/sales-rep owners have got bored of them and they start filtering into the hands of enthusiasts.
 
Meh. If there M5 that I love still, is the late 90's/early 2000's one. The E39 one.

God it was like, my favourite BMW of all time. Nowadays, it's just meh. I used to be a fan of BMW, not so much now.
 
I'd say it's cool, and that's saying something for a car I don't really care about too much.

This car is far enough away from the rest of the BMW classes that the snotty drivers BMW has come to associate with doesn't really reach this far.
 
I'm going to say Uncool bordering on Seriously so because:

-Fake exhaust noise.
-It's a BMW. Driven by the same kind of people as supercars, without many of the things that make supercars cool in spite of said people.
-Regions outside the US and possibly Canada get no MT option.
-Downsized engine using turbos as prosthetic cylinders.

I'd say the Pontiac G8 GXP was a far cooler sedan than this ever will be, even if it wasn't as fast.
 
Cool.
Fake sound keeps it out of sz.
Other biases dont matter to me.

@White & Nerdy
Does that avy really say man pedal?
I thought the sunbird was auto. :confused:

@Slash
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Puny and yet still more powerful than all the engines you own combined.:mischievous:
 
@Slash
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Puny and yet still more powerful than all the engines you own combined.:mischievous:
Well, maybe stock but I can assure you one of them made more than any of those Famine listed at one point :lol:

Uhhhh-huh...

E28 - 3.5 litre i6 - 282hp
E34 - 3.6 litre i6 - 311hp
E34 - 3.8 litre i6 - 335hp
E39 - 4.9 litre V8 - 394hp
E60 - 5.0 litre V10 - 500hp
F10 - 4.4 litre V8 turbo - 552hp

Puny downsized engine producing 10% more power than before.

Oh hush you, I'm used to my 8 liter V8's over here :P
 
@White & Nerdy
Does that avy really say man pedal?
I thought the sunbird was auto. :confused:

Nope, it's a stick, and somehow you're not the first person to just assume it has an automatic despite my saying many times that it has a manual.

@Famine and if they'd turboed the previous car's V10 instead they could have even more power. The engine is still a decent size, and at least it isn't a 6 pretending to be a V8 as in some run-of-the-mill Mercedes cars, but I still get the impression that the main function of the turbos is to make up for cubic inches that should be there, but aren't.
 
I wasn't.....

You consistently seem to equate that a car with an engine without a 427 V8 is pathetically slow and any other smaller configuration means a car cannot be fun or fast.

There's nothing wrong with preferring a 427 V8 as a personal preference, but that doesn't mean other types of engines are rubbish or lethargic or small.
 
You consistently seem to equate that a car with an engine without a 427 V8 is pathetically slow and any other smaller configuration means a car cannot be fun or fast.

I might come off like that, but in actuality that couldn't be farther from the truth.
 
Btw. I like how this engine loses 600cc when converted to liters.

301ci is 4.9 liter.
4,395cc is 268 ci.
 
@Famine and if they'd turboed the previous car's V10 instead they could have even more power.
Oh could they? Tell me more about how to reliably turbocharge a 5.0 V10 with a 12:1 compression ratio and keep a sane service schedule, and how it'll make more power than a 4.4 V8 with a 9.3:1 compression ratio.

I'm sure the intake/exhaust valve overlap profile of the S85 is ideal for turbocharging though compared to that stupid S63, and the colossal amount of heat it produces is a piffling detail.
 
Seriously Uncool. Two metric tonnes. Fake sounds in cabin. Doesn't really sound that good.
 
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