GTP Cool Wall: 2012+ BMW M5
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It's less cool than the E60, which in turn was slightly less cooler than the E39. By reasons we all know and some of you don't agree to, but whatever, BMWs are associated with idiots that work in a company that synergizes the outsourcing portfolio of investment firms in emerging markets overseas.
But this BMW is the less prone to that. It's still uncool, mainly because the styling is not as understated as previous M5s and because that thingy that reproduces the sound artificially into the cabin is absolutely pathetic and lame. Still, not seriously uncool.
But this BMW is the less prone to that. It's still uncool, mainly because the styling is not as understated as previous M5s and because that thingy that reproduces the sound artificially into the cabin is absolutely pathetic and lame. Still, not seriously uncool.
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I love this thing, but is it actually cool?
It's quick, luxurious, and looks understated. But then you've got the fact it might look too understated, unless you get behind it you'll likely mistake it for an M-Sport (and most will just assume it's a bog-standard 5er until they see the badge). Then you've got the 'fake sound', which everyone loves to moan about (if it really bothers you, disable it and fit a louder aftermarket exhaust), and that's before the turbos are brought up.
Still voting cool though. I don't care about the turbos, quite like the Q-Car status it has de-badged and amongst non-car enthusiasts, and it can keep up with some of the fastest things around, at least off the track.
It's quick, luxurious, and looks understated. But then you've got the fact it might look too understated, unless you get behind it you'll likely mistake it for an M-Sport (and most will just assume it's a bog-standard 5er until they see the badge). Then you've got the 'fake sound', which everyone loves to moan about (if it really bothers you, disable it and fit a louder aftermarket exhaust), and that's before the turbos are brought up.
Still voting cool though. I don't care about the turbos, quite like the Q-Car status it has de-badged and amongst non-car enthusiasts, and it can keep up with some of the fastest things around, at least off the track.
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Just going to leave this here 
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A damn slight better looking than its predecessor, but by no means cool.
@White & Nerdy, your avatar only makes me feel prouder of the Prius.
@White & Nerdy, your avatar only makes me feel prouder of the Prius.
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And where is BMW getting the low-compression, overbuilt five liter V10 to turbocharge?
Again, not seeing where your bias against turbos (except perhaps for the lack of sound) has any grounding in reality...
The V10 was a high-strung, high-compression motor that required insane rpm to hit those 500 horses. It also required very, very special engine oil and needed high octane gasoline to hit its power numbers, otherwise power is dialled back and sometimes knock could occur.
The break-in requirements of the V10 are also fairly restrictive and include a 5,500 rpm electronic limiter that kills power before things get really interesting. (accounts are contradictory... it's basically the P400 mode, but in some markets. like ours, it's locked into that until the first service) That's pretty annoying.
Ergo: You're defending an over-engineered, whiz-bang high-strung technological marvel of an engine over something using good old-fashioned snails that can run on regular gasoline... simply because you don't like escargot.
@homeforsummer : I don't mind sound symposers. That's actually the sound of the engine itself. It's like peeling away some of the sound insulation so you can hear more of what's going on. The M5 plays the engine through the speakers... which is two parts cool and eight parts fairly ridiculous... maybe I'm sounding a bit brown and geeky saying it, but that's just plain conceit.
If I had one, though, I'd probably try to find some way for it to play Mustang music...
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Cool. The previous generation would get sub-zero from me because the previous generation looked better and had a V10. This has a twin-turbo V8 and is ugly. But awesome.
It's also the first M5 that has been beaten by another super sedan- the Porsche Panamera Turbo S.
It's also the first M5 that has been beaten by another super sedan- the Porsche Panamera Turbo S.
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And where is BMW getting the low-compression, overbuilt five liter V10 to turbocharge?
Again, not seeing where your bias against turbos (except perhaps for the lack of sound) has any grounding in reality...
The V10 was a high-strung, high-compression motor that required insane rpm to hit those 500 horses. It also required very, very special engine oil and needed high octane gasoline to hit its power numbers, otherwise power is dialled back and sometimes knock could occur.
The break-in requirements of the V10 are also fairly restrictive and include a 5,500 rpm electronic limiter that kills power before things get really interesting. (accounts are contradictory... it's basically the P400 mode, but in some markets. like ours, it's locked into that until the first service) That's pretty annoying.
Ergo: You're defending an over-engineered, whiz-bang high-strung technological marvel of an engine over something using good old-fashioned snails that can run on regular gasoline... simply because you don't like escargot.
@homeforsummer : I don't mind sound symposers. That's actually the sound of the engine itself. It's like peeling away some of the sound insulation so you can hear more of what's going on. The M5 plays the engine through the speakers... which is two parts cool and eight parts fairly ridiculous... maybe I'm sounding a bit brown and geeky saying it, but that's just plain conceit.
If I had one, though, I'd probably try to find some way for it to play Mustang music...
Well that puts a different spin on things. I was under the impression that that kind of finnickiness just plain didn't exist in road cars anymore.
But you're right, I do hate turbos. I'd rather have a supercharger with its spine-tingling shriek and amazing ability to not need variable geometry whateveritis to not lag, or go NA, than have some stupid exhaust gas recycler that makes a stupid little whistling noise when you can hear it at all. And now, turbos have become a major defining characteristic of a Greenpeace-approved metrosexualmobile with an engine the size of Justin Bieber's talent - and to me, that stigma carries over even to decent-sized engines such as this one. For me, the Scale of Engine Manliness goes something like this: supercharger>natural aspiration>aftermarket turbocharger>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>factory turbocharger.
Also, just NO on the symposer. Symposer = removed, glasspack = installed, problem = solved.
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Do you ever actually read what you type or... I don't know... do any kind of research before you hit the "Reply" button?
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VW Twincharger... multiple engine of the year awards in various categories.. arguably one of the first modern series of downsized economy engines... supercharged.
Prius. Insight. Volt... naturally aspirated.
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This is a turbocharged, 1.5 liter Formula One car.
This is the most powerful engine ever to go into an open-wheel racer. It guzzles gas, chews up gearboxes and grenades blocks like no one's business. But it gets the job done. There is no other way to get that much power out of a package that small.
And it's a turbo. And it actually sounds nice.
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Sounds right up my street!
Please don't tell me that you genuinely believe that this is a thing?
Engines are not known for having gender identities...
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In my opinion it's mostly what a BMW M5 should be, fast, looks like a normal 5 series (pretty much) and it's comfortable. I thought the E60 was a bit meh, the only thing I massively liked about it was the V10, the F10 is a massive improvement on the E60 in my opinion.
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I didn't know rednecks were in the market for M5s?
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Superchargers? Please. Even the quarter mile club guys are switching to turbo. It's just better.
And whining about lag? What is this, 1998? Most turbo'd cars can launch from a stoplight and be in the power by the time the rear wheels enter the intersection. Turbo sizing is not difficult.
And whining about lag? What is this, 1998? Most turbo'd cars can launch from a stoplight and be in the power by the time the rear wheels enter the intersection. Turbo sizing is not difficult.
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A lot of things. So many things that the engine is no longer economically viable - it'd be a horror story. It already is one, but it's reliable enough at 500 air-breathing ponies that it gets a warranty. Making it hotter is not wise.
And mine is that they are not equal. The high compression 5.0 V10 does not take well to turbocharging, even if you could find somewhere for the turbos to go. The low compression 4.4 V8 does and thus produces more power, reliably - moreso even than the 4.9 V8 of two generations ago.
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Actually as shown in the S65 (very similar) currently you CAN run boost and there is a TT system being developed BUT it's pretty low boost (~6PSI) and for any high boost applications you need a low compression built engine. BMW could have done that with the S85/65 but already having a turbo 4.4 in the 50i models being newer and less prone to failure than older engines plus with more fuel economy made the development of the M5 4.4 much easier.
Imagine turbo problems AND bearing/other high revving engine related problems. That would be horrible for BMW
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Meh.
The Audi RS7 makes for a much better getaway vehicle.
The Audi RS7 makes for a much better getaway vehicle.
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Oh, look at that, W&N making a fool of himself yet again, still not acknowledging incredibly sensible arguments from the most reasonable members of the community...
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