GTP Cool Wall: 2012(+?) Fiat Panda 4x4 TwinAir Turbo

[Cano]

I wouldn't call that Citroen particularly cool, either.

The DS is far cooler than any muscle car, and you're being told this by one of the biggest muscle-heads on this place.

You really need to open your mind a bit.

EDIT: Eh, what am I saying. Make that a lot.

 

[Jet Badger]

It's different kinds of style, then. I wouldn't call that Citroen particularly cool, either. Burger joints are cool, muscle cars are cool, these kinds of things just aren't.

'Coolness' is subjective then, isn't it?

It has more to do with repairs. Unibodies are more vulnerable to frame damage - if you knock one very hard, you'll have to straighten the frame and it'll never be quite as rigid afterwards. A dedicated rock crawler will be built to take abuse without bending, but a production vehicle probably won't be.

And the Fiat Panda fits where next to it? Besides, offroad != rock crawling. Unibody designs due to their lightness can perform better in mud, slopes, inclines, loose surfaces, snow, pavement and fuel consumption with the downside being that it will be harder to repair one if you smash it into a wall. Not too shabby if you ask me.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Looks like some would like to see this on the endangered list like the actual animal it derives its name from, I see something like an old Suzuki samurai, just modern and efficient also it isn't a 500 so it's cool for me.

 

[Roger the Horse]

I wouldn't call that Citroen particularly cool

You do realise that you just said that you wouldn't call the ONLY objectively cool thing ever built cool... I think you might want to contact a doctor!

 

[JAHHAJ]

A Fiat Panda (one of the worst cars ever made) with a raised suspension and some plastic bits on the exterior. I rate this seriously uncool.

 

[Adamgp]

You do realise that you just said that you wouldn't call the ONLY objectively cool thing ever built cool... I think you might want to contact a doctor!

That Citroen's coolness is subjective just like every other car. I agree with W&N on it not being particularly cool.

 

[homeforsummer]

It's different kinds of style, then. I wouldn't call that Citroen particularly cool, either. Burger joints are cool, muscle cars are cool, these kinds of things just aren't.

For me those kind of things are also cool. But then we've already established that the range of things you like and find cool covers the tiniest portion of the automotive spectrum.

A Fiat Panda (one of the worst cars ever made)

Erm... how'd you come to that conclusion?

 

[Clark]

I guess all those Europeans (mainly Italians) who bought one and put it through hell and back and then have absolutely nothing go wrong don't count for anything.

 

[Joel]

For me those kind of things are also cool. But then we've already established that the range of things you like and find cool covers the tiniest portion of the automotive spectrum.

If it's not reminiscent of middle America 50 years ago, why even bother. Burgers, muscle cars, and drive ins are the pinnacle of civilization. If only the Cold War went hot in 1959, humanity would have went out on top.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If it's not reminiscent of middle America 50 years ago, why even bother. Burgers, muscle cars, and drive ins are the pinnacle of civilization. If only the Cold War went hot in 1959, humanity would have went out on top.

Change it to 1969 or 70 and then you win America

 

[JAHHAJ]

Erm... how'd you come to that conclusion?

Because I have an opinion.

 

[Famine]

But how did you even arrive at it? I can think of 32 cars without even trying that would qualify as "worst car ever made" and even the original Panda wouldn't make it onto the list.

In fact I'd put the current Panda on a list of 32 cars on sale today for less than £30k I wouldn't object to having to drive every day.

 

[JAHHAJ]

But how did you even arrive at it? I can think of 32 cars without even trying that would qualify as "worst car ever made" and even the original Panda wouldn't make it onto the list.

In fact I'd put the current Panda on a list of 32 cars on sale today for less than £30k I wouldn't object to having to drive every day.

Ok, maybe it was a little exaggerated but it's still a very very very horrible car in my opinion.

 

[Famine]

But... why?

What's horrible about the FIAT Panda? I've literally never encountered anyone - except White & Nerdy who, I think it can be universally agreed, doesn't count - who, even if they didn't like the Panda, would have anything negative to say about it. Except perhaps "It's a FIAT so it'll break down a lot" - but nothing specific about the Panda itself.

 

[JAHHAJ]

It's very ugly, it's very slow even for town use, it has a horrible interior and the road noise is horrible.

 

[Famine]

It's very ugly

Can't argue - subjectivity and all. I think you're crazy, but the eye of the beholder and all that...

it's very slow even for town use

Wait, what?

Even the very slowest accelerating model is no slower than many other city cars - not to mention trucks, vans and SUVs - and this two-pot TwinAir does 0-62mph in 11.2s, the same as a 125hp Fiesta EcoBoost that the press raves over...

it has a horrible interior

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Let's just put it against that Fiesta again...

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(and let me tell you, those silver plastics in the Fiesta are appalling - and it's a £4k more expensive car).

the road noise is horrible.

Wouldn't know about that - but I'll defer to hfs who owned a 100HP for a while...

 

[Crash]

I think this is a neat practical little car that does what it is designed for very well, and fills an area that many companies overlook. Cool.

 

[DK]

I would have voted for "meh"...but the usual "durr anything with no V8 is bad and gay, durr" crowd bumped it up to a "cool" for me.

 

[White & Nerdy]

You do realise that you just said that you wouldn't call the ONLY objectively cool thing ever built cool... I think you might want to contact a doctor!

That Citroen is not "objectively cool". If I had to pick one car to be the "only objectively cool car ever", it would be the Dodge Viper.

 

[Joel]

That Citroen is not "objectively cool". If I had to pick one car to be the "only objectively cool car ever", it would be the Dodge Viper.

One of the most influential and gorgeous cars of all time isn't cool, but a try-hard sports car for rich guys in toupees from the 90's is objectively cool? Once again all that's showing is that if it's not in your little sphere of 'Murican muscle it's for little girls.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

How is comparing the Fiesta interior vs this showing better than the other, that's just inane. I'd say they're both horribly crafted in equal levels but different ways

 

[White & Nerdy]

One of the most influential and gorgeous cars of all time isn't cool, but a try-hard sports car for rich guys in toupees from the 90's is objectively cool? Once again all that's showing is that if it's not in your little sphere of 'Murican muscle it's for little girls.

Are you kidding? The Viper - especially gen 2 GTS and the new one - is stunning in a way that Citroen can't match, and it's fast, and it gets its speed in what can only be described as "the right way".

Also, when I said that I was forgetting the Shelby Cobra. I can't think of many cars I want more than that thing.

 

[Joel]

Are you kidding? The Viper - especially gen 2 GTS and the new one - is stunning in a way that Citroen can't match, and it's fast, and it gets its speed in what can only be described as "the right way".

I'm also not someone who thinks the Viper isn't cool (one of my favourite cars), but's it's asinine to call the Viper objectively cool and say the Citroen DS isn't. And I'd wager that the DS is stunning in a way that no supercar can match, but whatever.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I was unaware speed was made in a "right way"... compared to its dreaded "wrong way"

Both sides are getting quite old with the crap they spew about cars, kinda makes me think that there are a ton of purposely ignorant car fans because they don't like one side of the aisle. Welcome to politics for you impartial viewers.

 

[Joel]

I was unaware speed was made in a "right way"... compared to its dreaded "wrong way"

Both sides are getting quite old with the crap they spew about cars, kinda makes me think that there are a ton of purposely ignorant car fans because they don't like one side of the aisle. Welcome to politics for you impartial viewers.

There's no "both sides" here. There's one side that actually likes cars, and one side that only likes Murican muscle and some vague idea of manliness, that has nothing to do with the classical idea of manliness.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There's no "both sides" here. There's one side that actually likes cars, and one side that only likes Murican muscle and some vague idea of manliness.

Actually there is, there are those that don't like V8s very much or at all and then the extreme side that seems to despise American cars, I could point to a few of this cool threads that have done so. Then you have the side you pointed out, which is extreme in their nationalism which is asinine. To say there isn't two sides it lying though but hey as I said I'm impartial and my voting track records (now you got me being Mr. Politician) speaks for itself. Also I'd say your bias is showing but then again you could be as irritated as me with the infighting going on.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Noob: Fun is a gas pedal embedded in a floorboard and a large engine and loud pipes drowning out the world. That's my opinion on cars summed up in one sentence.

 

[Joel]

Actually there is, there are those that don't like V8s very much or at all and then the extreme side that seems to despise American cars, I could point to a few of this cool threads that have done so. Then you have the side you pointed out, which is extreme in their nationalism which is asinine. To say there isn't two sides it lying though but hey as I said I'm impartial and my voting track records (now you got me being Mr. Politician) speaks for itself. Also I'd say your bias is showing but then again you could be as irritated as me with the infighting going on.

What bias though? I don't see any bias or infighting, there's nobody I see that unilaterally criticizes American cars or V8's. I get what you mean that there's a middle point to everything, but here I see a small group that's convinced cars should be the same as the 60's and another group that thinks cars from the 60's are cool but is also accepting newer cars and newer designs. Maybe in the general public there's people who don't like V8's and such but I don't see many people on GTP saying it isn't fun, more that there's no reason to put them in a city car.

Noob: Fun is a gas pedal embedded in a floorboard and a large engine and loud pipes drowning out the world. That's my opinion on cars summed up in one sentence.

Fair enough I guess, but the entirety of your existence here has been anything more sophisticated than a carburetor is communism, so forgive me for challenging you on the idea that one of the coolest. most influential, and best looking cars of all time isn't cool, while a 90's supercar for mid life crises is the coolest thing ever.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

What bias though? I don't see any bias or infighting, there's nobody I see that unilaterally criticizes American cars or V8's. I get what you mean that there's a middle point to everything, but here I see a small group that's convinced cars should be the same as the 60's and another group that thinks cars from the 60's are cool but is also accepting newer cars and newer designs. Maybe in the general public there's people who don't like V8's and such but I don't see many people on GTP saying it isn't fun, more that there's no reason to put them in a city car.

I dont feel I should have to put people on blast for it, when they do so I say something just like when the opposing does it I say something as shown from my previous comments. If you see only one side then that's fine, but there isn't only one and many of us in that past few cool threads have said this. Go back and look and you'll see. Also how are they saying they should be the same as the 60s, I've yet to see those same types mad that V8s now have FI or VVT so you lost me there. You yourself are creating a bias toward them just argue what you've seen no need for hyperbole they do that just fine. I've seen plenty I and implore you to either message me and ask or go back and look.

I'm not talking about the public I'm speaking about GTP obviously one facet is only seen by you.

 

[Tornado]

How is comparing the Fiesta interior vs this showing better than the other, that's just inane. I'd say they're both horribly crafted in equal levels but different ways

I dunno. The Fiesta has some of that DaimlerChrysler chintzyness in it.