GTP Cool Wall: 2015 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat

[Parker]

I'm not entirely sure how that statement is ridiculous. People who buy cars like this more than likely buy them to purely brag and go on about how much horsepower they have, to me, that makes them tools. The Charger platform isn't really good for track or drag use, which is where this power would actually do some good. At least the Challenger is built with straight line speed in mind and doesn't pretend to be anything other than your basic muscle car (gobs of power with nothing else to offer).

And if the Challenger Hellcat was up for polling, I'd probably give it a low cool.

Or maybe they buy them because they like the car. Assuming everyone who buys this car is a "tool" (or, you can only imagine how big of a "tool" they are) is a ridiculous statement to me, I find the whole concept of judging someone based on the car they drive or like to be idiotic.

I'm not saying you can't have that opinion by any means, I just think it is a pretty ridiculous opinion to have.

 

[GTPorsche]

Gosh dangit, I read it as "Challenger Hellcat" and voted SZ. I meant to vote cool.

uhh... maybe?

...the S65 is definitely not a coupe unless you actually get the coupe.

It's also not a mid-size...

 

[MrUnknown]

Why you no manual, Hellcat?

Or even semi-automatic...




But still,

Uncool

 

[SVX]

For a car with such a huge power rating I find it quite sedate and unassuming looking. Cool.

 

[GTPorsche]

Why you no manual, Hellcat?

Or even semi-automatic...




But still,

Uncool

It has paddles.

 

[Adamgp]

I can't afford a £42,000 car, and I doubt even more I could afford the insurance or fuel costs, hence it is not affordable. Good value for money, maybe, but certainly not affordable.

Relative to other 700+hp cars sold today, it is.

 

[MrUnknown]

It has paddles.

 

[Joey D]

Why you no manual, Hellcat?

Or even semi-automatic...




But still,

Uncool

The Charger was never designed with a manual transmission in mind, so the platform can't accommodate it. If they wanted to offer one they would have to redesign the entire body and then get everything re-certified in terms of safety. It doesn't make sense considering the amount of people that would buy a manual Charger would be low and wouldn't make it profitable.

The 8-speed it comes with is actually really good though and it used in Bentley Mulsanne and Rolls-Royce Ghost.

 

[mustafur]

I can't afford a £42,000 car, and I doubt even more I could afford the insurance or fuel costs, hence it is not affordable. Good value for money, maybe, but certainly not affordable.

You live in a country were your average income is lower and fuel expenses and insurance are much higher, not to mention the car isn't sold in UK.

Do you see where I am going with this.

As an Australian making an Average Sydney wage its easily affordable., unfortunetly it isn't sold here.

And then Europe laughs at it for not going round corners properly.

By properly do you mean not sideways?

It does the Autobahn better then any European sedan anyway.

 

[KinLM]

Good for you, it's affordable.

No, it isn't. Around a year's salary for a damn car is not "affordable". Affordable is a car that costs less than $20K new or so. This costs over three times that much.

To the car: if this were the challenger, it would be a low cool- it's like a modern muscle car. But this isn't, it's a heavy sluggish 4 door sedan which has a useless amount of power. Unlike the challenger, this simply doesn't make sense. I would support the "middle finger" idea of the Challenger, but this? This is just silly.

Uncool.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I'm representing Kentucky's opinion of automotive coolness

That was awfully generous of the rest of the state to give you that power.

More seriously, it's the world's fastest sedan as well as the world's first sedan to have a 200-mph top speed. For that it's even cooler, regardless of where you live.

It's neither. Though I see your point about top speed being such a major deciding factor on coolness. Look at how cool the Veyron is, or that other one that borrows a famous name...

Oh.

I'm finding 190-mph ratings for the Aston, but it really doesn't matter as the Charger is still faster.

Funnily enough, the old E60 M5 would match the Charger's top speed when delimited. There's then the slippery issue of both production (the Brabus Bullet is significantly faster), and verification.

The second-fastest sedan in top speed, the Tesla P85D, is ALSO from America

Not. Even. Close.

The fact that America can build the two fastest sedans in the world by two completely different means is remarkable- the U.S. hasn't achieved much in speed compared to Europe in recent years (unless you count SSC and Hennessey), and I'm glad two "normal" brands- Dodge and Tesla- are actually doing something.

I feel like Musk himself would be greatly offended at that word being leveled at his company.

 

[JMoney]

@SlipZtrEm You haven't even voted or offered your own opinion yet. Looks like you came into this thread just to troll me, as have you have in other threads recently. What a great way to set a good example; very moderator-like.

 

[Doog]

@SlipZtrEm You haven't even voted or offered your own opinion yet. Looks like you came into this thread just to troll me, as have you have in other threads recently. What a great way to set a good example; very moderator-like.

 

[JMoney]

He criticized parts of my posts that weren't even argumentative.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

He criticized parts of my posts that weren't even argumentative.

If they're not even argumentative then prove it.

 

[JMoney]

If they're not even argumentative then prove it.

Prove what? How the hell am I supposed to prove that Kentucky gave me power to vote in the cool wall?

 

[ildd]

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cat got your hands?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

@SlipZtrEm You haven't even voted or offered your own opinion yet.

Woops, you were right there - though I tend to vote on nearly every single other CW thread. Seriously Uncool because it's a stat-lover's dream and little else. "707HP!" or "204MPH" will be parroted over and over, but that price is hardly "affordable" (=/= value-for-money/bang-for-buck), so I expect most of the owners will be the same folks who would love to spend a weekend ensuring every part on their vintage muscle car is numbers-matching.

Looks like you came into this thread just to troll me, as have you have in other threads recently. What a great way to set a good example; very moderator-like.

What @Doog said. If you consider people either correcting you or having a difference of opinion as trolling, then I shudder to think what happens outside of an internet discussion board.

To make it clearer: you do not represent Kentucky's opinion on coolness. You only represent your own.

 

[Exorcet]

No, it isn't. Around a year's salary for a damn car is not "affordable". Affordable is a car that costs less than $20K new or so. This costs over three times that much.

To the car: if this were the challenger, it would be a low cool- it's like a modern muscle car. But this isn't, it's a heavy sluggish 4 door sedan which has a useless amount of power. Unlike the challenger, this simply doesn't make sense. I would support the "middle finger" idea of the Challenger, but this? This is just silly.

Uncool.

I feel the opposite, mostly because the Challenger has never really been much better than the Charger. The Challenger feels like an imitation sports car to me.

I can understand when people say that this Charger is just an overpowered sedan, and I don't really like anything Hellcat from Dodge, but I'd take the Charger over the Challenger. I wouldn't be missing out on much, and I'd have a bit more useability.

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

So awesome, I changed my avatar. Easy Sub Zero.

 

[mustafur]

No, it isn't. Around a year's salary for a damn car is not "affordable". Affordable is a car that costs less than $20K new or so. This costs over three times that much.

To the car: if this were the challenger, it would be a low cool- it's like a modern muscle car. But this isn't, it's a heavy sluggish 4 door sedan which has a useless amount of power. Unlike the challenger, this simply doesn't make sense. I would support the "middle finger" idea of the Challenger, but this? This is just silly.

Uncool.

you don't know what sluggish means do you.

 

[KinLM]

you don't know what sluggish means do you.

•Sluggish
ˈsləɡiSH/
adjective

1. slow-moving or inactive.

I love small minded people like you who think that the only thing a car needs to be fast is power. It reminds me of how lucky I am to be more aware of the reality of the situation. A 200 HP Lotus Elise would probably smash this around pretty much any track.

 

[Doog]

•Sluggish
ˈsləɡiSH/
adjective

1. slow-moving or inactive.

I love small minded people like you who think that the only thing a car needs to be fast is power. It reminds me of how lucky I am to be more aware of the reality of the situation. A 200 HP Lotus Elise would probably smash this around pretty much any track.

You're not using the word correctly, though. Nowhere does it say in that definition that sluggish relates to weight. Also, sluggish is almost universally used in automotive contexts to describe slow cars.

 

[Tornado]

That's the problem, and why I applaude Chevy and the Z/28 and why I'm hopeful for the GT350. Those are cars that are competing on a global scale. This only really appeals to the Good 'Ole Boys who still think that cars were best back in the day with Cudas and Boss 429s.

Let's not confuse "they made a car more focused on handling at the expense of almost everything else" with "they made a car that actually has even the slightest international appeal beyond the novelty value". Certainly don't put the current Camaro on a pedestal when it is by a wide margin the most compromised of the three cars in question.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

This is probably the only modern Charger that I would vote "cool" for. I feel that it's a car that Dodge built just to prove that they can despite how unnecessary it is. For that, I find it cool for that and the sake it's just hilarious.

 

[Slash]

This is the exact reason why I can't stand the whole Hellcat craze. Its got 707hp. Awesome, but what else can it do? That's the problem, and why I applaude Chevy and the Z/28 and why I'm hopeful for the GT350. Those are cars that are competing on a global scale. This only really appeals to the Good 'Ole Boys who still think that cars were best back in the day with Cudas and Boss 429s. While @carracerptp brought up a good point that this is NOT meant to be a sports car, just look at what BMW is doing with the M5, Audi with the RS7, and other cars of the like. While they may not give the same power per dollar spent, they represent a much better all around package. Is the power impressive? Yes, very. But there is so much more than just power. I can be more generous to the Charger than the Challenger, but this is still very much uncool. But I wouldn't skip a chance to at least try it.

The people that buy these cars aren't the people that are out taking them to track days. The want to incinerate the tires through every gear and that's what this car does.

 

[KinLM]

You're not using the word correctly, though. Nowhere does it say in that definition that sluggish relates to weight. Also, sluggish is almost universally used in automotive contexts to describe slow cars.

While I see your point, I do feel as though I'm using it correctly.

Nowhere does it say that the definition of sluggish relates to weight, true. BUT the reason why I called this car sluggish is because the extreme weight causes it to be sluggish versus most any other car similar in power. Similar to how an Enzo Ferrari and Shelby Mustang have similar power, but the Enzo would conquer the Mustang.

Yes, sluggish is used in the automotive world to suggest slow cars, which is why I used it. NO, I'm not daft enough to say that 204 MPH is sluggish. Perhaps it's a bit of a hyperbole. But I seriously can't imagine this car feeling as fast as the HP and top speed would suggest, thus sluggish.

Heck, an old Ferrari F40 is only 3 MPH slower with over 200 HP less. (Yes, totally different cars, stupid comparison, I know). My point is that this car is all about a select few numbers when in reality it isn't as fast as it sounds

 

[Tornado]

No, it's still pretty damned fast.

 

[KinLM]

No, it's still pretty damned fast.

I just can't help but feel like if I drove this car, I'd just feel slightly disappointed that it isn't as fast as I might have believed it would be at first.

Although, 707 HP is a lot. So maybe not.

 

[Slash]

While I see your point, I do feel as though I'm using it correctly.

Nowhere does it say that the definition of sluggish relates to weight, true. BUT the reason why I called this car sluggish is because the extreme weight causes it to be sluggish versus most any other car similar in power. Similar to how an Enzo Ferrari and Shelby Mustang have similar power, but the Enzo would conquer the Mustang.

Yes, sluggish is used in the automotive world to suggest slow cars, which is why I used it. NO, I'm not daft enough to say that 204 MPH is sluggish. Perhaps it's a bit of a hyperbole. But I seriously can't imagine this car feeling as fast as the HP and top speed would suggest, thus sluggish.

Heck, an old Ferrari F40 is only 3 MPH slower with over 200 HP less. (Yes, totally different cars, stupid comparison, I know). My point is that this car is all about a select few numbers when in reality it isn't as fast as it sounds

Why does it even matter? The thing can still blow the doors off pretty much anything you'll ever encounter on the street.

People's perception of speed these days is so bland. I remember when 350hp was unheard of. Granted, I was young, but still. This generation is spoiled.