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Less reliable. Slower. Handled considerably worse. Not as much performance potential from the engine internals.
Well, hell. Put it it the middle, then!
GTP Cool Wall: Dodge Neon SRT-4
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SuperShouden
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The most powerful and fastest Front Wheel Drive car ever. nuf said.
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The only non LSD model SRT-4 was in 03... every 04-05 model had LSD and would kill any cobalt from the same year. Why do you think GM changed from the supercharger in the cobalt to a turbo. It was to "keep up" with the SRT-4.
I owned an E-blue 04 model bought brand new from the dealer. As previously stated it could beat everything in its price range, looked 100 times better than a stock neon (until the srt fake body kits came around in 05). I know the typical driver stereotype as I also owned an F-body at the same time.
Europeans should not even be able to have a vote since they had no chance to experience the SRT-4 for either being good or bad.
I voted cool because I would buy another, if I found the right one.
P.S. Snow does nothing but bad for the handling in this car. Thus the reason mine doesn't exist anymore. And NO I wasn't driving like a D-bag.
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Who said you had to drive one or even see one in reality to be able to vote whether its cool or not? Its not about voting if it was good, its about voting if its cool - something that can be determined without ever having driven it.
I doubt anyone here has driven an F40......
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Indeed - it's not a Good Wall, it's a Cool Wall.
It's neither of those things. And never was.
It's neither of those things. And never was.
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I didnt say DRIVE..... it's says experienced. Like seeing one in person, hearing one drive down the road or driving one yourself or even knowing someone who has had an experience with one. I haven't driven alot of cars but I have been lucky enough to experience many cars on many different levels. F40 BTW sub-zero in my opinion but that story is for another time.
I dont know about most people but I don't set opinions on cars I've only seen pictures of.
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The car doesn't have to have been sold here for that. I've "experienced" very many cars in the UK that have never been sold here.
And that, of course, excludes cars I've experienced while in America, since we Europeans are occasionally allowed foreign travel.
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Cool has little to do with actually experiencing something. It's all about perception.
In fact looking at the Cool Wall Results list i can see at least 30 cars on it, predominately in the Sub Zero section, that i very much doubt anyone on this forum has ever driven.
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Whatever you say!!!
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And you can't make the assumption that people who live in countries where a car was not sold but who have voted on this poll haven't experienced that particular vehicle - we've never had a Ford Mustang sold in the UK. I've driven one (quite far too) for a week, on highways and in towns.
Even if it was relevant, since it's a Cool Wall, where perception is everything...
Even if it was relevant, since it's a Cool Wall, where perception is everything...
Enigma
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I did read the posts, you are saying that one car can be modified to be faster than other cars in standard form. You could say that about pretty much any car within reason which makes it a pretty pointless statement.
On the subject of Europeans having an opinion on this car there were plenty Americans voted the Peugeot 306 Gti-6 uncool and Im pretty sure most of them never seen or drove that car
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@Toronado: I forgot that the SRT-4 was an '03 model, I thought it came out a bit later than that, but it can still be compared to other cars. The MG ZS was actually the best handling car in it's class back in 2003/04 and you'd be suprised at how fast it accelerates, it would most likely wee all over the SRT-4 around a track. Tiff Needell claimed it was the best front wheel drive car he'd driven when he first tested it. Skip to 0:45 on this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADR1tcpgocI&feature=related
So nope, the ZS isn't slower around a track at all. I respect that the Dodge is probably a decent car in the states, but in Europe it would've been far outclassed and the general public would've stayed away from it. That makes it seriously uncool by European standards. Of course all this is debatable, what is one man's pride and joy is another man's piece of scrap. So let's call a truce, you think it's cool, I think it's seriously uncool, let's just call it a difference in opinion, I don't want any negative feelings.
So nope, the ZS isn't slower around a track at all. I respect that the Dodge is probably a decent car in the states, but in Europe it would've been far outclassed and the general public would've stayed away from it. That makes it seriously uncool by European standards. Of course all this is debatable, what is one man's pride and joy is another man's piece of scrap. So let's call a truce, you think it's cool, I think it's seriously uncool, let's just call it a difference in opinion, I don't want any negative feelings.
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The Mustang was never sold in the UK? Or do you mean the 5th generatoion only?
I know the first generation mustang was sold in germany and I`ve seen mustangs the owners claimed were sold new in Norway back in the sixties. I`ve also seen a lot of 5th generation Mustangs on the Autobahn and in Italy, but those could have been imported.
And the SRT-4? Cool.
But only because everyone around here have only seen the cheap and ugly standard Neon and this would have been a sleeper with huge potential. Especially for being WWD (Wrong Wheel Drive
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Rotary Junkie
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Only way to make an SRT4 cool is to remove the engine, transmission, and all useable suspension bits, toss it in/under a Caravan body, and light the Neon shell on fire with a few VW cases where the seats were for good measure. Neons aren't "bad" cars, they aren't "good" cars, they're just so unspecial that I'd rather a Corolla. (Then again I'm comparing a '98 Neon with a rebuilt twin cam to a 2001 or so Rolla S, both automatics. Rolla felt miles better in every way under normal driving and really wasn't much slower at full blat)
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my buddy has one with a AGP 50 trim turbo on 24 psi. probly the fastest car ive ridden in. its pretty brutal and spool up is quick too. we had it up to 27 psi....thats kinda pushin the stock bottom end tho. it was bad fast tho haha
400hp and 3000 lbs.....ya they are quick, no way around it.
400hp and 3000 lbs.....ya they are quick, no way around it.
mafia_boy
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So can we say that Canadians should not even be able to have a vote for anything from Japan or Australia that wasn't released there?
Famine's comments summed it all up, as people from other countries get lots of imported cars from the Atlantic side of the world (N.America & Europe). Just a few months ago I saw an OPC Astra, something I thought I'd never see.I also agree with Enigma re: 306GTi-6, there were a LOT of votes from you guys in North America (USA & CANADA!) that don't know about the car's performance or pedigree but overall, it's perception of the car that is key here and that's the point I'm getting across to you RustyGunzz, we don't have to have driven it/experienced it to know what it is, what it does and how it goes about it. Plus, what we think is subjective and that's what makes a cool wall so unique.
I'm going with cool for the drivetrain alone....that 2.4L turbocharged 4-banger is one of the best four cylinder motors to have come out in recent memory.
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Thats OK Mafiaboy.... I understand that cars do make it places they were never sold originally. In Canada we do get a good number of Japan/JDM import due to our larger Asian population here I've seen many. I guess its just my (one man's) opinion about how people gain perception of a particular car.
I would never vote on a car or make any judgement of said vehicle without having had some experience of my own. (That is just me tho)
I give every vehicle the benefit of doubt. And I decide for myself if I think is COOL or NOT.
I would never vote on a car or make any judgement of said vehicle without having had some experience of my own. (That is just me tho)
I give every vehicle the benefit of doubt. And I decide for myself if I think is COOL or NOT.
mafia_boy
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Look I'm not disagreeing with you on that one RustyGunzz, just look at the Shelby GT500 Super Snake vote that was going on.....a lot of the people making comments about it were just knocking it because, "it's not a 2011 version so it doesn't handle as well so it must be seriously uncool"!!
Seriously, where did 1/2 the voters get their opinion from, a cereal box?? Was there a big comparo of 2010 Shelby Super Snakes vs 2011 Shelby Super Snakes in EVERY SINGLE TOWN in the land?? No, so in that aspect it was very weird to read people's opinions saying this was better than that without any real experience. But the fun thing about it was, after reading all the complaining and some very uneducated comments, the overall result for that car was still a resounding COOL because the silent majority said so by voting that way because of the perception it gives, not whether it pulls a better G reading on the skidpan.
Seriously, where did 1/2 the voters get their opinion from, a cereal box?? Was there a big comparo of 2010 Shelby Super Snakes vs 2011 Shelby Super Snakes in EVERY SINGLE TOWN in the land?? No, so in that aspect it was very weird to read people's opinions saying this was better than that without any real experience. But the fun thing about it was, after reading all the complaining and some very uneducated comments, the overall result for that car was still a resounding COOL because the silent majority said so by voting that way because of the perception it gives, not whether it pulls a better G reading on the skidpan.
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Look I'm not disagreeing with you on that one RustyGunzz, just look at the Shelby GT500 Super Snake vote that was going on.....a lot of the people making comments about it were just knocking it because, "it's not a 2011 version so it doesn't handle as well so it must be seriously uncool"!!
Seriously, where did 1/2 the voters get their opinion from, a cereal box?? Was there a big comparo of 2010 Shelby Super Snakes vs 2011 Shelby Super Snakes in EVERY SINGLE TOWN in the land?? No, so in that aspect it was very weird to read people's opinions saying this was better than that without any real experience. But the fun thing about it was, after reading all the complaining and some very uneducated comments, the overall result for that car was still a resounding COOL because the silent majority said so by voting that way because of the perception it gives, not whether it pulls a better G reading on the skidpan.
Maybe we should just stop doing this, then.
Rotary Junkie
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mafia_boy
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That's not what I'm getting at Jim. I had to use the comments from that thread to put my point across that it's all subjective, regardless of what people say about it's handling/performance capabilities and that's the point of the cool wall, it's all subjective to our likes and dislikes.
For example, the ones commenting about it's looks and the types of people who drive it are spot on the money, but some of the comments of "it doesn't handle, seriously uncool" or "the 2011 handles better so the 2010 gets a seriously uncool" are absolutely ridiculous because unless they work directly in the auto journalism field, they simply haven't driven it and can't say as such. I mean, look at Top Gear, they'll say things about a car saying, "it handles well, it's got good performance, but.........it's uncool" and then explain why so.
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Well, when you have a one-year-only model that's instantly shown up by a car the next year...
But I digress. Wrong thread.
But I digress. Wrong thread.
SuperShouden
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Yeah, but you can't say it's the world's fastest production FWD based on someone's modifications. I could strap a couple of rockets onto a Chevy Cavalier and make it go 222 mph, but that wouldn't make it the world's fastest production FWD car.
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