GTP Cool Wall: Ford Falcon [XY] GT-HO Phase III

[Famine]

Being Korean doesn't make a car uncool though, who said that?

Many people. In fact me as well - it's on my list of uncool qualifications.

While their cars are getting better, it'll be a while until they get cooler - in the same way that Japanese cars got much better, but still haven't quite managed to shake off their grandparent reputation (and I own three of what are apparently the cooler Japanese cars).

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Here's some simple facts for you.

Was the fastest 4 door sedan in Australia for nearly 20yrs.
Was the quickest 4 door sedan for nearly 20yrs.

Ford called they want their facts back.

 

[Small_Fryz]

the phase 4 didnt go into production though?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

the phase 4 didnt go into production though?

That's what Ford want you to think

Entered production in 1972 but was cancelled after 4 were built.

 

[mafia_boy]

The Phase 4 isn't listed as a proper 'production' run though. Yes they built four of them (3 are still to exist) but they weren't a full production like the earlier phases. Here's the quote from gtho4.com.

The Phase 4 story is the most celebrated story in GT-HO folklore. In 1972 the new XA GT model had been released and a GT-HO model was needed to take over from the XY GT-HO on the race track. Three XAs were sent to Howard Marsden and his team at Ford Special Vehicles, Ford's internal race division. These were to become new factory race cars for Ford Australia.

The racing rules at that time dictated that 200 standard Phase 4s had to be produced before a race car could be eligible. Therefore all parts on the racing Phase 4 had to be fitted to the standard road going versions. Those rules were to be the death of these mighty machines. In mid-72 the media hit on a story of these 160 mph 'Super Cars' that were about to hit our streets. They gave the impression that these cars were going to be too dangerous for the general public to drive. This was the start of mass hysteria that eventually led to the government stepping in and demanding that all production cease of these road going race cars. The Phase 4 project was axed the cars ushered out the back door to selected owners in Australia. Four of these cars were built, one road car and three race cars (rally and race teams).

A total of 2,759 XA GTs were sold, of which 1/3rd were two-door hard-tops. The XA GT was also available with Regular Production Option 83, essentially a Phase 4 in most respects except for the name! After all, Ford Australia had to use all the parts for those 196 cars that were not built.

Hope that helps in the history lesson.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Why does being Korean make a car uncool?

To be fair to Joey, his experience says that when you say you don't like "n" car and it's Australian, Australians leap vociferously to its defence - which he dislikes, and generates the image that Aussies can't take a bit of criticism.

Yes but you can't actually pin that ONLY on Aussies because I have seen many Americans do the exact same thing.

 

[Jay]

Criticism!? Don't make me get my boomerang out of my holster fellas.... um, I mean mates!





I hate how topics go everytime a Australian car is mentioned.

 

[theM3rcenary]

Classy car, I say it's cool.

 

[Mad94d]

I think it's cool, built as a Race car really (to win Bathurst).

 

[Paulie]

Do note that only us Kiwis are entitled to slag off Australians, just like the H v F rivalry there's also one between Aus and NZ

Darn straight!

Criticism!? Don't make me get my boomerang out of my holster fellas.... um, I mean mates!





I hate how topics go everytime a Australian car is mentioned.

It wouldn't have gone this way at all if the criticism was directed entirely at the car itself. I also bet you can't use a boomerang as a weapon! I know I can't, but it'd be cool to learn if not only to impress people from overseas when I meet them.

 

[JCE]

OK, arguments aside ladies and gents lets explain from a technical or opinionated standpoint why this is uncool without going into "this country" or "these people that do blah blah blah" make it uncool. TAKING OUT these statements WHAT would make it uncool? I can understand someone saying this is uncool because aesthetically it is boring or it is an overachiever (which I think neither are true).

The reason for my question you ask? Saying something is uncool because the location it comes from and or the residents of that location and their reactions to such issues is a lame excuse to call something uncool. This is the same thing as me saying that Corvette owners are all wankers which they think they own the best car on the planet and they are better than everyone else which makes the car uncool regardless of anything else. Or, every German car is uncool because they are devoid of passion and are too "clinical" aka excessive "maths" with their cars. Rubbish. I don't buy it. I don't care if someone from X country comes in all militant defending their country's car, I'd expect them to do that. I do care if someone prosecutes them for it and renders them and their cars worthless. It is just ridiculous.

Nothing personal to anyone here.

 

[Jay]

I also bet you can't use a boomerang as a weapon!

You would win that bet.

Unless of course I just clubbed someone with it.

 

[Eric.]

This is more or less the same thing as people thinking an R34 GT-R is not cool because all of the teengers who worship the Fast and The Furious series and believe an R34 GT-R is unbeatable (okay, maybe the NEW GTR). We consider the car uncool for that reason. Joey considers this Falcon uncool for the same reason - every Aussie on here seems to think it was the best thing ever, it seems.

 

[McLaren]

Yes but you can't actually pin that ONLY on Aussies because I have seen many Americans do the exact same thing.

Everyone does it. Aussies, seemingly, have a reputation for doing for every car they build.

 

[Jay]

every Aussie on here seems to think it was the best thing ever, it seems.

Wait.... what?

Did you read all the Aussies posts including mine? Not to mention the bunch of aussies who didn't even vote it as cool, let alone sub zero.

Everyone does it. Aussies, seemingly, have a reputation for doing for every car they build.

You would have real trouble finding Aussies defending the last gen Ford Capri.

 

[Paulie]

Some people just don't open their eyes and see what's in front of them. (In regards to the Aussie bashing in this thread I mean, not the car). They're still typifying Aussies despite evidence here suggesting otherwise.

 

[Famine]

Yes but you can't actually pin that ONLY on Aussies because I have seen many Americans do the exact same thing.

Did you read the next line at all?

 

[kayman]

Everyone does it. Aussies, seemingly, have a reputation for doing for every car they build.

I doubt many would stand up to defend the Mitsubishi Magna or 360... so not every car.

edit: or the Toyota Aurion

 

[McLaren]

You & Jay might have missed the part where I said, "seemingly".

Some people just don't open their eyes and see what's in front of them. (In regards to the Aussie bashing in this thread I mean, not the car). They're still typifying Aussies despite evidence here suggesting otherwise.

Riiiight. That's why you called Joey's post racist when last I checked, Australians were not a race of people, except for Aborigines. His post may have been close to being prejudice, but not racist.

 

[Paulie]

Well then check again, we are one of the more multi-national countries in the world. Still have your eyes closed much?

 

[Famine]

Well then check again, we are one of the more multi-national countries in the world. Still have your eyes closed much?

Err...

That doesn't really change the fact that "Australian" isn't a race.

 

[Jim Prower]

Crap. I didn't mean to make this thread explode.

 

[Joey D]

Crap. I didn't mean to make this thread explode.

Eh it was me, I thought I'd get some sarcastic comments with the "" smiley and that would be it. I didn't think I would be called racist, which Famine is right there is no Australian race.

This is just proving my point even more though, like I said I didn't call the car bad and I didn't call the Australians bad people. To get so bent out of shape for calling a car uncool because a lot of Australian car fans take it way too seriously, is akin to a Star Wars geek stabbing a Star Trek geek for saying Captain Kirk would kick Luke Skywalker's ass. It's just silly.

 

[Lucas]

Why does being Korean make a car uncool?

It's not a fact. It's the way some people think, including you.

To be fair to Joey, his experience says that when you say you don't like "n" car and it's Australian, Australians leap vociferously to its defence - which he dislikes, and generates the image that Aussies can't take a bit of criticism.

Problem is he didn't say he thought the car was uncool, he said the car was seriously uncool because it was Australian. Obviously things will get ugly here, but if you say an australian car is uncool for other reasons, there's a chance people will not jump on you, because they shouldn't.

On the other hand, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Amazing that I was thinking the same when I read the first posts of this thread.

This is more or less the same thing as people thinking an R34 GT-R is not cool because all of the teengers who worship the Fast and The Furious series and believe an R34 GT-R is unbeatable (okay, maybe the NEW GTR). We consider the car uncool for that reason. Joey considers this Falcon uncool for the same reason - every Aussie on here seems to think it was the best thing ever, it seems.

They consider it to be one if not the best australian car ever, it's not the same thing. If Joey D could say something else to prove the car is uncool instead of "it's australian", maybe the australian members wouldn't get pissed.

This is just proving my point even more though

Of course it "is", as Famine said, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Had you said something else, things would probably have not gone this way.

 

[Joey D]

Of course it "is", as Famine said, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Had you said something else, things would probably have not gone this way.

Except that is the reason why I think it is so uncool. I don't care if you defend a car you like, it's when you get over-zealous with it that it drops the thing into seriously uncool territory. That's exactly why a car like the GT-R can never be remotely cool.

And I could have easily been proven wrong. I could made my statement, got a bunch of "" with sarcastic comments that were funny (like Jay's boomerangs at a 100 paces) and it would have been cool. But no, I was called racist for not liking an Australian car. I mean really how cool is that?

 

[Lucas]

And I could have easily been proven wrong. I could made my statement, got a bunch of "" with sarcastic comments that were funny (like Jay's boomerangs at a 100 paces) and it would have been cool.

Cool? When? When the next australian car that deserves "Cool" is polled, I suppose? I don't think so, you would still claim that most australian people you know are die-hard fans of their cars.

That basically says that you voted a car for something that wasn't 100% certain. Off-topic, I wonder how would you have reacted if Paulie had said in the 300SL poll that he voted the car Uncool because he knew that everyone would jump on him if he did...

Why because it's not an Australian car? Congratulations on ruining the poll.

Since this car gets this kind of support, I should have voted seriously uncool. How is the poll ruined? Since when do I only like Aussie cars?

Oh hai thar.

Anyways, I don't know why I'm bothered to continue this. It's not like we are heading somewhere, and the car will be Sub-Zero/Cool anyways...

 

[Joey D]

Cool? When? When the next australian car that deserves "Cool" is polled, I suppose? I don't think so, you would still claim that most australian people you know are die-hard fans of their cars.

No, cool as it not an issue, not cool as in that car is cool. Sorry bad word choice on my part.

 

[homeforsummer]

Gone for Meh. Utterly irrelevant to me, never had any impact on my life, wouldn't have known what it was, and not as cool as the equivalent American beast. But at the same time, it counters by still being a bit of a beast, and by looking okay-ish.

The Proto Spirra is sub-zero, and the second-gen Hyundai Tiburon is cool.

False. The first car is utterly unheard of except to video game fans and Koreans. The second is still a Hyundai. Neither are cool.

I hate how topics go everytime a Australian car is mentioned.

I think Joey worded it badly, but this sentence above is exactly what he's getting at. Joey's comment certainly invoked a response, but threads get like this even if there isn't a blatant comment like that one. That should tell people something...

Any time criticism is levelled at a car of Australian decent, certain members get up in arms about it, seemingly forgetting that just because they think it's cool, it doesn't automatically mean they're right. No doubt if Joey hadn't even posted, there'd still be "raised voices" as soon as anyone else dared to mention that it was uncool, or crap, or whatever.

Essentially, this sort of arguement will always happen as long as people take their home-market cars too seriously.

Pretty much all of Australia's good cars have pretty much been based off either a Falcon or a Commodore. Only certain models of each have ever been distributed around the world, and been given just praise if it was warranted. For many though, they are essentially irrelevant outside of their home market, and Aussies who feel the need to defend them to the hilt have to realise that. When a car doesn't have any impact on your life, then you can't expect other people to find it cool.

 

[Jay]

Just to make it clear where I stand (as a crazy Aussie ), I have nothing against what Joey said, in some ways I agree, after all 'cool' isn't a science (or is it? ). I made/make jokes about boomerang duels and play with stereotypes just to lighten the mood a little.

 

[Lucas]

False. The first car is utterly unheard of except to video game fans and Koreans. The second is still a Hyundai. Neither are cool.

Why does some people take their opinion as fact? Both are Sub-Zero in my book, even if I voted the Genesis "Cool" at the time, but that doesn't mean it's a fact.