GTP Cool Wall : Nissan GT-R VOTE!

[AlexLude]

Do these pics change your mind of those who say its "uncool"

Zele R35 with Zele kit and Carbon trim all around... they need to make this color stock on an R35....

 

[boiltheocean]

But that isn't what we are polling.
Heck I would say its cool with an Amuse bodykit but I can't because it's not polled.

 

[Famine]

Do these pics change your mind of those who say its "uncool"

No. Since not only do those pictures have nothing to do with the standard GT-R, they also have nothing to do with why it's uncool.

 

[Azuremen]

No. Since not only do those pictures have nothing to do with the standard GT-R, they also have nothing to do with why it's uncool.

Exactly what I was gonna say.

It is still an eleventy thousand pound Nissan.

 

[homeforsummer]

And everyone knows that girls swoon over a bright orange Nissan You may as well airbrush "I have an STD!" on the side.

Again though, you'd attract all the boys... Not personally something that appeals.

 

[TheCracker]

And everyone knows that girls swoon over a bright orange Nissan You may as well airbrush "I have an STD!" on the side.

It's the carbon fibre splitters that does it for the ladieez

 

[Jim Prower]

At the same time, the Viper is a hugely expensive Dodge, and the Corvette is a hugely expensive Chevrolet. You could even make arguments for the Audi R8 being an overpriced Volkswagen. (or the 911 being literally so.)

So a Japanese brand can't have a halo car? Automotive Racism again. (besides, no-one complained about Honda's NSX)

I think the fact that so many people feel so strongly about the car Is justification alone for "cool," if not "Sub-zero."

 

[TheCracker]

I think the fact that so many people feel so strongly about the car Is justification alone for "cool," if not "Sub-zero."

That's one way to look at it. On the other hand, the fact that everyone argues about it raises it's profile to 'over-hyped' and therefore deeply uncool.

 

[Tornado]

I voted uncool despite thinking its spiritual predecessor (notably not a Nissan) is the third most awesome car ever made by a Japanese company.

Pretty much for reasons niky already said.

 

[Philly]

I cannot stand the thing.

Although nobody can argue with how popular it is with the street racer crowd and that I'm sure anybody would feel great if they had to drive one. Cool.

 

[Famine]

So a Japanese brand can't have a halo car? Automotive Racism again. (besides, no-one complained about Honda's NSX)

Nobody bought one either. They all thought "Hey, neat! A Japanese car which takes the fight to the Ferrari 348, but for half the price!", then, when they had £70k to spend, they went straight to the Porsche dealership.

It's not that they can't have supercars. It's just that they've got 40 years of bland and family cars to fight against.

Nissan = Uncool.

 

[Jim Prower]

And Chrysler, who, at the time, made everything based on their relatively bland Front-Drive K-platform, introduced a sports car with a gargantuan V10 engine? Furthermore, when Chevrolet brought out the Corvette, they'd NEVER made a car with a V8! In fact, that car didn't get one until 1955! You certainly never thought about Chevy for performance purposes before then - if you wanted a hot car, you got a Rocket-powered Oldsmobile. Chevy was the bottom rung - think Kia, only built to last 50 years.

Nissan has made interesting cars in the past: SE-R series, Maxima 4DSC, 180/200/240SX, Skyline, Pulsar GTi-R, Z-cars, etc, and their history, at least in the US, has always had them as a little more interesting than, say, Toyota or Honda.

Nissan hasn't really quit making exciting cars like Honda and Toyota have. They still know how to keep a little excitement in the range. The current Sentra SE-R falls flat on it's face, but that's really about it. Now, why they don't make anything fun over in Europe...well, it's probably because they have a branch over there already.

It's a little french make. It's called Renault. And I doubt Renault wants Nissan stepping on their hothatch toes. Thus, Renault fills the fast "Family" car lineup (Those are compacts!) and Nissan gets to sell their higher-end performance cars. I mean, why has the Clio V6 mysteriously dissappeared?

I also don't buy this "overhyped" thing. This argument has been going on over a year, now. If it were "overhyped," we would have forgotten about this car months ago. The auto mags pretty much have moved on to the Musclecar battle on the horizon.

We'll all be sick of hearing about the Camaro in 6 months.

 

[Prosthetic]

And Chrysler, who, at the time, made everything based on their relatively bland Front-Drive K-platform, introduced a sports car with a gargantuan V10 engine? Furthermore, when Chevrolet brought out the Corvette, they'd NEVER made a car with a V8! In fact, that car didn't get one until 1955! You certainly never thought about Chevy for performance purposes before then - if you wanted a hot car, you got a Rocket-powered Oldsmobile. Chevy was the bottom rung - think Kia, only built to last 50 years.

Nissan has made interesting cars in the past: SE-R series, Maxima 4DSC, 180/200/240SX, Skyline, Pulsar GTi-R, Z-cars, etc, and their history, at least in the US, has always had them as a little more interesting than, say, Toyota or Honda.

Nissan hasn't really quit making exciting cars like Honda and Toyota have. They still know how to keep a little excitement in the range. The current Sentra SE-R falls flat on it's face, but that's really about it. Now, why they don't make anything fun over in Europe...well, it's probably because they have a branch over there already.

It's a little french make. It's called Renault. And I doubt Renault wants Nissan stepping on their hothatch toes. Thus, Renault fills the fast "Family" car lineup (Those are compacts!) and Nissan gets to sell their higher-end performance cars. I mean, why has the Clio V6 mysteriously dissappeared?

I also don't buy this "overhyped" thing. This argument has been going on over a year, now. If it were "overhyped," we would have forgotten about this car months ago. The auto mags pretty much have moved on to the Musclecar battle on the horizon.

We'll all be sick of hearing about the Camaro in 6 months.

I'm quoting this for emphasis... I agree with what you just said. I do think a lot of young kids think its cool... but in the same Jay Leno thought it was fun to drive and he liked it... Maybe I'm still a 10 year old boy thinking anything sporty is effing awesome. And I think if a car makes you feel like a little kid again, thats cool.

 

[Famine]

And Chrysler, who, at the time, made everything based on their relatively bland Front-Drive K-platform, introduced a sports car with a gargantuan V10 engine? Furthermore, when Chevrolet brought out the Corvette, they'd NEVER made a car with a V8! In fact, that car didn't get one until 1955! You certainly never thought about Chevy for performance purposes before then - if you wanted a hot car, you got a Rocket-powered Oldsmobile. Chevy was the bottom rung - think Kia, only built to last 50 years.

I didn't think about anything before 1955. In fact I didn't think about anything until about 1980, and that was mainly pooping.

That said, Chevrolet have been making the Corvette for nearly as long as Honda have been making... well, anything. They've had 55 years to cement a reputation for that sort of thing - and the sort of thing Honda have developed a reputation for are Civics, Accords and things old people drive. The same goes for Nissan.

Nissan has made interesting cars in the past: SE-R series, Maxima 4DSC, 180/200/240SX, Skyline, Pulsar GTi-R, Z-cars, etc, and their history, at least in the US, has always had them as a little more interesting than, say, Toyota or Honda.

Nissan actually sold the Skylines in Europe. And the Pulsar. And all the Z-cars and the SXs. We got the Maxima as the QX.

But, ultimately, Nissan sold Micras, Sunnys, Almeras and Primeras to old people. This is the reputation they have.

After all, why do people who have the "more interesting" Nissans say, when asked, that they have "a 350Z" or "a Skyline"? Because "a Nissan" conjures up the image of a slab of grey with a 1.8 petrol. "Nissan" = uncool.

Nissan hasn't really quit making exciting cars like Honda and Toyota have. They still know how to keep a little excitement in the range. The current Sentra SE-R falls flat on it's face, but that's really about it. Now, why they don't make anything fun over in Europe...well, it's probably because they have a branch over there already.

It's a little french make. It's called Renault. And I doubt Renault wants Nissan stepping on their hothatch toes.

I really don't know where to start on this. Honda do still make cars that are interesting - the S2000, the Civic Type-R (both flavours), the Integra Type-R - but the majority are, as with Nissan, chunks of retiree dullness. And Toyota have made bog all interesting since they stopped making the Supra (the last Celica was interesting if you like 190hp FWD Coupes). Nissan have never really made a hot hatch either - I suppose you could count the JDM March SuperTurbo and the JDM/EDM Pulsar/Sunny GTi-R at a push - even before Renault bought a stake in Nissan (which was in 1999).

Other than that, there's huge crossover between the marques. The Micra and Clio compete. The Megane and Tiida compete (as do the Megane/Scenic and the Tiida Versa). The Laguna and Primera compete. This is where the bulk of sales occur. If any toe-treading were to occur, it'd be here - not in Renault's specialism of hot hatches (Clio 197, Megane R26 - step forward) or Nissan's specialism of sporty GTs (350Z - your turn). I'm not entirely sure the Micra chassis would handle anything over a food blender motor, or that Renault could manufacture a high-volume RWD car (correct me if I'm wrong, but they've only made 2 RWD models since the Renault 5 Turbo, and they were both Clios).



None of this really changes the fact that Nissan is not a cool marque - and it'll take just as long as it took the Corvette to change that. Though I reckon that, unlike the NSX, Nissan will sell every GT-R they make twice over.

 

[Prosthetic]

Nissan has been making Skylines and Z's for awhile too... most of them are considered "interesting" and not so much old peoples cars...

Nissan has always had some kind of sportiness in their brand.

 

[TheCracker]

And Chrysler, who, at the time, made everything based on their relatively bland Front-Drive K-platform, introduced a sports car with a gargantuan V10 engine? Furthermore, when Chevrolet brought out the Corvette, they'd NEVER made a car with a V8! In fact, that car didn't get one until 1955! You certainly never thought about Chevy for performance purposes before then - if you wanted a hot car, you got a Rocket-powered Oldsmobile. Chevy was the bottom rung.

The Viper and Corvette are just as uncool as the GT-R. If not more so.

 

[Danoff]

I think the 350Z has way more cool going for it than the GT-R - especially when it came out. It just has more style.

That's not to say the 350Z would get a subzero vote from me, but I definitely rank it a notch cooler.

The Viper and Corvette are just as uncool as the GT-R. If not more so.

No way. The Viper and the 'Vette have so much more edge and appeal to their appearance (and a better reputation). I've mistaken a far off C6 for a Ferrari on more than one occasion - that alone says it's cool.

 

[Sureboss]

It's a Datsun with a V6 trying to be a supercar.

Done. [/GordonRamsay]

 

[Jim Prower]

I didn't think about anything before 1955. In fact I didn't think about anything until about 1980, and that was mainly pooping.

That said, Chevrolet have been making the Corvette for nearly as long as Honda have been making... well, anything. They've had 55 years to cement a reputation for that sort of thing - and the sort of thing Honda have developed a reputation for are Civics, Accords and things old people drive. The same goes for Nissan.

You got Honda right and Nissan wrong. Nissan's two big mainstream sellers, the Altima and Maxima (currently) are seen as quite sporty alternatives to increasingly snore-inducing Accords, Impalas, and Camrys. The main thing is that they aren't screwed together as well as an Accord, and aren't as popular with old people as a Camry.

Nissan actually sold the Skylines in Europe. And the Pulsar. And all the Z-cars and the SXs. We got the Maxima as the QX.

But, ultimately, Nissan sold Micras, Sunnys, Almeras and Primeras to old people. This is the reputation they have.

After all, why do people who have the "more interesting" Nissans say, when asked, that they have "a 350Z" or "a Skyline"? Because "a Nissan" conjures up the image of a slab of grey with a 1.8 petrol. "Nissan" = uncool.

Okay, fair enough, even though we don't or didn't get two of the models you referenced (and with the Primera, only got the sportiest version and sold it as an Infiniti. It's been replaced by the Skyline Sedan.)

The Current big "Saloon," the US Maxima, Is quite good for a big FWD car, and the Altima has a reputation as a sporty sedan as well. (if not bolted together so solidly...think Alfa.) I think the Versa (Tiida) and Sentra over here need major rework, though. The Versa's only redeeming factor is a ridiculously low price, which must be because it was pulled from your range. As well, the Sentra SE-R Spec-V is the only model in the entire Sentra range worth getting...and it still gets smoked by the Civic Si. (Which is now Honda's only redeeming model stateside)

I really don't know where to start on this. Honda do still make cars that are interesting - the S2000, the Civic Type-R (both flavours), the Integra Type-R - but the majority are, as with Nissan, chunks of retiree dullness. And Toyota have made bog all interesting since they stopped making the Supra (the last Celica was interesting if you like 190hp FWD Coupes). Nissan have never really made a hot hatch either - I suppose you could count the JDM March SuperTurbo and the JDM/EDM Pulsar/Sunny GTi-R at a push - even before Renault bought a stake in Nissan (which was in 1999).

Other than that, there's huge crossover between the marques. The Micra and Clio compete. The Megane and Tiida compete (as do the Megane/Scenic and the Tiida Versa). The Laguna and Primera compete. This is where the bulk of sales occur. If any toe-treading were to occur, it'd be here - not in Renault's specialism of hot hatches (Clio 197, Megane R26 - step forward) or Nissan's specialism of sporty GTs (350Z - your turn). I'm not entirely sure the Micra chassis would handle anything over a food blender motor, or that Renault could manufacture a high-volume RWD car (correct me if I'm wrong, but they've only made 2 RWD models since the Renault 5 Turbo, and they were both Clios).

I think the Integra is out of production, the S2000 is in it's swan song year and the (EU) Type R...our bigger Si could out run that torsion-beam'd hamster. Furthermore, the big release from Honda this year is a smaller, less-expensive Prius.

Of course, this is beside the point I'm trying to make. Yes, Nissan makes some snore-inducing cars. (of which I, as an American, can only drive one.) So why should that remain Status Quo? Why can't they have their own Corvette or Viper? I don't know where you're going with the normal Renault car/normal Nissan car comparo.

None of this really changes the fact that Nissan is not a cool marque - and it'll take just as long as it took the Corvette to change that. Though I reckon that, unlike the NSX, Nissan will sell every GT-R they make twice over.[/color][/b]

There was always one problem with the NSX.

It never had enough power. The GT-R does.

Besides, the GT-R is largely being marketed separately (like Corvette/Viper) or with the 370Z. (Remember him?) That's the big thing about a Halo car: the brand doesn't have to be cool for the car to be.

And, despite Nissan's lackluster reputation in Europe, It does tend to have a better, sportier one in the States. So perhaps the two of us are both being close-minded for our relative regions.

Because I'm fairly certain there's no "Peoria, the CAT town" in Britain, and no "Yaaaawkshire" in the U.S.

 

[ExigeEvan]

On a side note I love it when Americans bring suspension into play when 2 iconic modern American sports cars have controversial enough suspension as it is but many will defend it to the end.

 

[Jim Prower]

Who's bringing Suspension into this?

 

[Rotary Junkie]

You got Honda right and Nissan wrong. Nissan's two big mainstream sellers, the Altima and Maxima (currently) are seen as quite sporty alternatives to increasingly snore-inducing Accords, Impalas, and Camrys.

I thought they were increasingly snore-inducing alternatives to increasingly snore-inducing Accords, Impalas, and Camrys. 💡 And ones that aren't screwed together as well as the competition according to yourself at that.

 

[super cirrus]

I can't vote for a car that takes driver skill out of the driving experience, therefore I vote...
UNCOOL!!

 

[Tornado]

Just an aside:

You got Honda right and Nissan wrong. Nissan's two big mainstream sellers, the Altima and Maxima (currently) are seen as quite sporty alternatives to increasingly snore-inducing Accords, Impalas, and Camrys. The main thing is that they aren't screwed together as well as an Accord, and aren't as popular with old people as a Camry.

People who want sporty alternatives to Accords, Impalas and Camrys buy Mazdas and Subarus. Nissan essentially makes their entire sedan range under the same philosophy as the Impala SS, so they aren't particularly sporty so much as they are silly and fun (ie. Hoonery). Thus leads to the problem with the Nissan ranges, as there is nothing really in any of them for the GT-R to be the Halo car for except the 370Z. Which is its own Halo car anyways.

 

[Famine]

I think the 350Z has way more cool going for it than the GT-R - especially when it came out. It just has more style.

Agreed. But it's still a thirty thousand pound Nissan

No way. The Viper and the 'Vette have so much more edge and appeal to their appearance (and a better reputation). I've mistaken a far off C6 for a Ferrari on more than one occasion - that alone says it's cool.

My ex-girlfriend mistook a Ford Probe for a Ferrari (348, it turned out) from about 30 yards...

Viper = Way cool; C6 Vette = I'd buy one, therefore uncool.

 

[Philly]

Girls aren't exactly the best judges of all things cars I find. A lot of times when I'm showing some super car to a girl, they think it's fugly because it's "too flat."

 

[McLaren]

At the same time, the Viper is a hugely expensive Dodge, and the Corvette is a hugely expensive Chevrolet. You could even make arguments for the Audi R8 being an overpriced Volkswagen. (or the 911 being literally so.)

So a Japanese brand can't have a halo car? Automotive Racism again. (besides, no-one complained about Honda's NSX)

I think the fact that so many people feel so strongly about the car Is justification alone for "cool," if not "Sub-zero."

$40,000 is hugely expensive? What the hell does that make the GT-R & any Ferrari? Ungodly & Billionaire's Only?

 

[Giancarlo]

Apart from the Flux Capacitor option for the interior, i think it's pretty cool.

 

[Tornado]

As it is in this case. I like the car, but it's a SEVENTY THOUSAND POUND NISSAN.

You know, despite all of the explanations regarding the Nissan lineup, the later similar post for the NSX and, indeed, the sentence immediately following the one quoted, I just figured out that you weren't joking about the car's weight but were instead referring to the price.

 

[buickgnx88]

Damn those British and their currency that has the same name as a measurement unit!

Perhaps that's why they moved to the metric system!