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Daduce1947
Hi Lionelg, I'm with you,, I add the larger wheels mainly for the "bling" :),, however I feel they actually do help but haven't really tried using stock, running a lap at a track I like,, then adding the upgraded wheels just to see. May have to do that then I'll know for sure!! đź‘Ť
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From what I have read in other post most people feel they are there for the 'bling'.
 
lionelg
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BTW if tyre compounds can effect the results does an increase in wheel size +1" or +2" make any difference, I sometimes add them for the 'BLING' value, :lol: or perhaps I shouldn't ask. :D :cheers:
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EmaNymton
@funatsixty...
Do larger wheels make a car quicker or slower? But maybe that question cannot generally be answered, but as I said... it's a stupid one.
Maybe the best thing would be to try and see.......
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The tire compound affects the traction coefficient so tire bias can be increased for the stickier tires. The relationship varies and is not 1 to 1 so a full tire range may move bias 1 to 3 points over all.

When the game was new I did extensive tire circumference testing and the wheel diameter had zero effect. The compounds did cause a variance in the circumference with the race tire sizes being consistent vs Comforts & Sports.
 
@waukazoo
Hey Wauk, finally I got you ONCE at last!:D
Suzuka - Red Bull X2014 Standard-Race: by 2,085 seconds!!! 1:23,067 is my time).
I can still not believe I did that, and I can still not believe that with this car you can go through ALL of the S-curves flat out, no braking, no Lifting, just pedal to the metal (and quick action with your hands on the wheel).

zona99 is - as always - out of any reach (for me - as usual), but I have given up chasing zona (he must have a magic wheel or something, dunno :confused: ).
 
SCClockDr
The tire compound affects the traction coefficient so tire bias can be increased for the stickier tires. The relationship varies and is not 1 to 1 so a full tire range may move bias 1 to 3 points over all.

When the game was new I did extensive tire circumference testing and the wheel diameter had zero effect. The compounds did cause a variance in the circumference with the race tire sizes being consistent vs Comforts & Sports.
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See, knew I shouldn't have asked but thanks for the answer 👍 as it just might have saved me trying it out, although I doubt it, all too technical. 🤬 I'll just have to content myself with the BLING factor then. :cheers:

BTW George I don't suppose you were an engineer in your working life by any chance. :D
 
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Another Geezer Seasonal suggestion for some quick fun!

The current Intermediate Seasonal, located at SS5 - choose the Caterham and downgrade its power to fit with PP500. Any other mods you like of course.

This gave me a speed disadvantage of about 30 mph on the long straightway, but a terrific advantage in handling and braking. The Caterham maxes out at about 120 mph, while most of the other cars I have used will top 150 mph.

This differential provides some exciting racing, with a lot of passing. :D :D :D I get left in the dust on the straights, and return the favor in the twisties. The last seconds of the last lap tend to be nail biters.

Try it, see what you think!
 
Hi Tom (Zona99) have just been running the new seasonal at Mount Panorama and was, when I, left second to you in the same car at a deficit of some 4 seconds and was wondering if you'd mind sharing your tune for the gearing as while I can get round the first corner just behind or just in front you and can hold you in view on the following corners, at a fairly set distance after the straight up to the downhill esses, you are just running away from me on the straights.

I'm fully lightened and tuned and have played around with the gears but the top speed is the top speed :confused: so any help would be appreciated. :cheers:
 
@lionelg I think Tom has shaved another second off after a bit of tune and testing in the lobby today. About 8 of us Geezers tweaked a tune I already had on my Intregra. I believe it is originally from Teitzy from a preivious TT.

When we opened the lobby I hadn't seen that Teitzy posted his and I have not tried his version on this TT yet. It very well may be the better version.
You can find Teitzy's tune posted in the seasonal thread here. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-lap-mount-panorama-mrc.319393/#post-10212160 give it a try.

Here is the version we came up with today and Tom and I set our times with.
Honda Integra type R (DC5) '04
500pp, 344hp, 988kg, sports hard tires.
Oil Change
Custom Suspension
Race Brakes
Custom Differential
Triple Plate Clutch
Stage 3 Engine
Sports Computer
Semi Race Exhaust
Catalytic Converter
High RPM Turbo
Stage 3 Weight Reduction
Carbon Hood
Window Reduction
150 / 70
2.84 / 11.24 - changed -> 3.84 / 11.24
3 / 3 - changed -> 4 / 3
5 / 4 - changed -> 6 / 4
4 / 5 - changed -> 6 / 5
0.4 / 0.0
-0.15 / 0.05 - changed -> -0.15 / 0.06
Brakes
6 / 5
Diff
9 / 21 / 20 - changed -> 8 / 20 / 20
Power limiter
90.6
Ballast
0kg @ 0 = 59 : 41
Power to Weigh
2.85kg/hp
Trans
Set final drive to 6000
Set Top Speed to 112mph
Set gears to
2.956 - changed -> 2.926
2.191 - changed -> 2.169
1.701 - changed -> 1.710
1.388
1.178
1.015
Reset Final to 3600 - changed -> 3.540

Hope this helps, and every geezer betters the gold time on this TT.

I will update this tune if and when we are able to further improve it.
Updated tune changes are in bold.
 
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waukazoo
@lionelg I think Tom has shaved another second off after a bit of tune and testing in the lobby today. About 8 of us Geezers tweaked a tune I already had on my Intregra. I believe it is originally from Teitzy from a preivious TT.

When we opened the lobby I hadn't seen that Teitzy posted his and I have not tried his version on this TT yet. It very well may be the better version.
You can find Teitzy's tune posted in the seasonal thread here. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-lap-mount-panorama-mrc.319393/#post-10212160 give it a try.

Here is the version we came up with today and Tom and I set our times with.
Honda Integra type R (DC5) '04
500pp, 344hp, 988kg, sports hard tires.
Oil Change
Custom Suspension
Race Brakes
Custom Differential
Triple Plate Clutch
Stage 3 Engine
Sports Computer
Semi Race Exhaust
Catalytic Converter
High RPM Turbo
Stage 3 Weight Reduction
Carbon Hood
Window Reduction
150 / 70
2.84 / 11.24
3 / 3
5 / 4
4 / 5
0.4 / 0.0
-0.15 / 0.05
Brakes
6 / 5
Diff
9 / 21 / 20
Power limiter
90.6
Ballast
0kg @ 0 = 59 : 41
Power to Weigh
2.85kg/hp
Trans
Set final drive to 6000
Set Top Speed to 112mph
Set gears to
2.956
2.191
1.701
1.388
1.178
1.015
Reset Final to 3600

Hope this helps, and every geezer betters the gold time on this TT.

I will update this tune if and when we are able to further improve it.
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Many thanks for this Wauk, :cheers: will give it a try after I've put a first coat of paint on the newly plastered walls, my driving still taking 2nd place to restoration work which, hopefully, will be finished before Xmas. :confused: :lol: :banghead:
 
lionelg
See, knew I shouldn't have asked but thanks for the answer 👍 as it just might have saved me trying it out, although I doubt it, all too technical. 🤬 I'll just have to content myself with the BLING factor then. :cheers:

BTW George I don't suppose you were an engineer in your working life by any chance. :D
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Not an engineer by any stretch.

Former:
  1. Teen aged Motorcycle Scrambles racer (dirt)
  2. 20 year US Navy Submarine vet ETCS (ss)
  3. Computer software developer (Concept to code & support)
  4. Greens Keeper
  5. Flea Market Vendor
  6. Horologist (Clock Repair/Restoration)
  7. Antique Store Owner
I find employing focused investigative techniques in complex matters helps me to understand the underlying principles involved.

I must confess though, my time spent investigating is somewhat lost to those zooming around Mt Panorama. They are also improving their driving skill as well as figuring out a tune vs understanding the science only.

Think I'll nap for a while, feeling a bit tired after all that.
 
Hi All

Napping over! :lol:

Thanks @waukazoo for a great tune on the Integra (TYPE R) '04 I got a 2:22 first run late Thursday after I left the room & took a bit of a break.

I made a few adjustments to suit my driving style as we were testing in the room.

I then went to see how the alians were doing and took a ride with Ti-tech84 doing a 2:16.830 lap. I noticed real high RPM and quite close ratios gearbox wise.

So I went in and compared my best lap to the 2:16 lap just to confirm what I was hearing. Looks like that tune was using all the RPM increasing goodies and a unique transmission tune.

I then went in and made some changes to Wauk's tune.
This is what I came up with.

HONDA INTEGRA (TYPE R) '04 1998cc, 216HP @ 8000, 151.8'/# @ 7000 172.6"L, 67.9"W, 54.4"T 1180Kg Stock
SH / SH
Race Brakes 6 / 5
FCS

RH 150 / 70
SR 7.00 / 11.24
DC 3 / 6
DE 1 / 4
ARB 4 / 7
CAM 0.4 / 0.0
TOE +0.15 / +0.05
LSD 8/24/15 Trip Cl
Power Limiter 84.4%
Stg3, Sp Comp,
Race EX, Std Man,
Sp Cat, Std Int,
Hi Turbo
10Kg @ -50%
WR Stg3, Carb Hood,
Windows
Transmission
Flip Final > max, Speed < min
1 3.600
2 2.470
3 1.930
4 1.570
5 1.280
6 1.050
F 3.500

(This is an amalglimation of many tunes & tuning ideas @waukazoo got me started tho)

The feature of this tune is flattening the HP & Torque curves thus a bit less rev limiter hitting exiting low-mid corners & up the hill.
Just ran my best @ 2:21.378
I am experimenting with upping the front spring note the 7.00 lowering the Front Height just kills handling, where more spring seems to reduce wheel spin a bit.

NOTE: Bold is where I modified so far.
 
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Just squeezed in under the bar yesterday, firmly believing that the key to my success was removing the standard (painted) wing from the Possum-tuned Integra.

Turns out that was self-delusional. I took the car out to the SSX track, and with no other changes other than opening up the final drive to allow the top speed to be power limited, rather than optimized for peak Conrod Straight velocity.

With and without the wing, I saw the top speed of both winged and wingless stabilize at 202mph after a few miles of running into the bottom of the red zone on the tachometer.

Hope this helps in its small way.

Incidentally, do you guys find that spending money on the body stiffening in the shop actually has a benefit?
 
Just to note.
I got Gold time with the VW Scirocco R '10 this AM

It is a bit of a beast but Gold is doable even for me, in this ride.

Volkswagon R'10 1984cc, 252HP @ 6000, 243.7'/# @ 5200 167.5"L, 71.7"W, 55.9"T 1410Kg Stock
SH / SH
Race Brakes 6 / 3
FCS

RH 150 / 70
SR 4.86 / 15.60
DC 5 / 3
DE 1 / 3
ARB 6 / 2
CAM 0.4 / 0.5
TOE -0.06 / +0.07
LSD 8/24/16 Trip Cl
Power Limiter 83.5%
Stg3, Sp Comp,
Race EX, Sp Man,
Sp Cat, Tun Int,
Hi Turbo
Ballast 200@-50%
WR Stg3, Carb Hood,
Windows
Transmission
Flip Final > 5.500, Speed < min
1 2.960
2 2.130
3 1.620
4 1.290
5 1.060
6 0.900
F 3.900

While this will Gold it is far from the Integra!
 
GBO Possum
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Incidentally, do you guys find that spending money on the body stiffening in the shop actually has a benefit?
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Improved Rigidity only seems to help some cars and fails to improve others and hurts the rest. Rigidity seems to help cars with no top or lots of windows but there are exceptions.

I use the data logger to look for twisting in the ride heights to indicate when Improved Rigidity might benefit the car. I then do a game save >> Thumb drive prior to the purchase so I can revert if it hurts the car.

A twist would look like Left Front @ +20 Right Front @ -20 while the Left Rear @ +10 & Right Rear @ 0 on exiting a left hander under good power.
 
Just completed Route X testing for the Aero package on the Integra.

The Integra was 1sec+ faster without the Aero Kit installed. Ride height was too small to measure a difference. The Kit seems to reduce top speed without a measurable increase in DF.
 
SCClockDr
Hi All

Napping over! :lol:

Thanks @waukazoo for a great tune on the Integra (TYPE R) '04 I got a 2:22 first run late Thursday after I left the room & took a bit of a break.

I made a few adjustments to suit my driving style as we were testing in the room.

I then went to see how the alians were doing and took a ride with Ti-tech84 doing a 2:16.830 lap. I noticed real high RPM and quite close ratios gearbox wise.

So I went in and compared my best lap to the 2:16 lap just to confirm what I was hearing. Looks like that tune was using all the RPM increasing goodies and a unique transmission tune.

I then went in and made some changes to Wauk's tune.
This is what I came up with.

HONDA INTEGRA (TYPE R) '04 1998cc, 216HP @ 8000, 151.8'/# @ 7000 172.6"L, 67.9"W, 54.4"T 1180Kg Stock
SH / SH
Race Brakes 6 / 5
FCS

RH 150 / 70
SR 7.00 / 11.24
DC 3 / 6
DE 1 / 4
ARB 4 / 7
CAM 0.4 / 0.0
TOE +0.15 / +0.05
LSD 8/24/15 Trip Cl
Power Limiter 84.4%
Stg3, Sp Comp,
Race EX, Std Man,
Sp Cat, Std Int,
Hi Turbo
10Kg @ -50%
WR Stg3, Carb Hood,
Windows
Transmission
Flip Final > max, Speed < min
1 3.600
2 2.470
3 1.930
4 1.570
5 1.280
6 1.050
F 3.500

(This is an amalglimation of many tunes & tuning ideas @waukazoo got me started tho)

The feature of this tune is flattening the HP & Torque curves thus a bit less rev limiter hitting exiting low-mid corners & up the hill.
Just ran my best @ 2:21.378
I am experimenting with upping the front spring note the 7.00 lowering the Front Height just kills handling, where more spring seems to reduce wheel spin a bit.

NOTE: Bold is where I modified so far.
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I tried your first tune an managed a 2.20.404 after five laps , had to concentrate a lot to keep it straight, seems very loose so I gave your second lot of settings a go, the car felt much better but I couldn't match the time, wheel spin is the main problem for me , I'll try some different LSD settings.
 
macdog54
I tried your first tune an managed a 2.20.404 after five laps , had to concentrate a lot to keep it straight, seems very loose so I gave your second lot of settings a go, the car felt much better but I couldn't match the time, wheel spin is the main problem for me , I'll try some different LSD settings.
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Try 1/2 to 3/4 throttle on 2nd gear exits gently going to full just prior to the up-shift. If in manual then train yourself to avoid the 3rd to 2nd down-shifts
 
SCClockDr
Just completed Route X testing for the Aero package on the Integra.

The Integra was 1sec+ faster without the Aero Kit installed. Ride height was too small to measure a difference. The Kit seems to reduce top speed without a measurable increase in DF.
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Only one second difference in the lap time? That may well be within the normal variation, I'm thinking.
 
Thanks Doc for posting you version for the Integra and the Civic tune. You set a great lap time with the Civic. I'm going to give your Civic tune a try tomorrow.

I've made some changes in the tune I posted above (post #817).
The original tune is still there as some may prefer that version and the changes are added in bold.
 
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waukazoo
Thanks Doc for posting you version for the Integra and the Civic tune. You set a great lap time with the Civic. I'm going to give your Civic tune a try tomorrow.

I've made some changes in the tune I posted above (post #817).
The original tune is still there as some may prefer that version and the changes are added in bold.
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I was trying this tune to try to counteract my lack of speed on the straights as I thought it was to do with the gearing but on comparing your figures for the Honda Integra type R (DC5) '04 of 500pp, 344hp, 988kg with mine, shown below you will notice an anomaly in the figures and this is after carrying out all additional tuning and lightening. :confused: :confused:

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After exhaustive changes, the reason I did not join you in the room last evening. I still could not work out what was wrong :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: so purchased another car in Red perchance this made a difference :lol: the result, with all the same changes is shown below, well not quite as I've just noticed I forgot to update the Manifold, but suddenly I'm competitive, well at least on the straights, but I still cannot work out why Wauk's list shows a figure of 2.85 kg/hp while the below is 2.88 kg/hp.

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So anyone have any ideas as to the cause of this, I asked for my money back for the duff car but am still awaiting a reply. :lol: :cheers:
 
lionelg
I was trying this tune to try to counteract my lack of speed on the straights as I thought it was to do with the gearing but on comparing your figures for the Honda Integra type R (DC5) '04 of 500pp, 344hp, 988kg with mine, shown below you will notice an anomaly in the figures and this is after carrying out all additional tuning and lightening. :confused: :confused:

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After exhaustive changes, the reason I did not join you in the room last evening. I still could not work out what was wrong :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: so purchased another car in Red perchance this made a difference :lol: the result, with all the same changes is shown below, well not quite as I've just noticed I forgot to update the Manifold, but suddenly I'm competitive, well at least on the straights, but I still cannot work out why Wauk's list shows a figure of 2.85 kg/hp while the below is 2.88 kg/hp.

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So anyone have any ideas as to the cause of this, I asked for my money back for the duff car but am still awaiting a reply. :lol: :cheers:
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BALLAST
 
I had a couple off hours today on Mount Panorama with a new Honda Intergra type R (DC5) 04 Managed to improve my time 2.17.639 here is the setup I ended up with it is a mixture of the top Guys tunes and wauk transmission I hope this helps Good luck to all you Geezers
Specifications
Performance Points: 500
Max. Power: 351
Weight: 993
Weight Distribution (F/R) 59 41 Power To Weight 2.82 Kg/Bhp
Parts & Modification no oil change no ridgity Stage 3 engine. Race Exhaust. Cat Con. High rangeTurbo. Weight Reduction. Window Weight Reduction. Bonnet STD
Suspension
Ride Height (F/R): 130 80
Spring Rate (F/R): 4 11.00
Dampers - Comp. (F/R): 5 5
Dampers - Ext. (F/R): 10 10
Anti-Roll Bars (F/R): 7 7
Toe Angle (F/R): 0.00 0.00
Camber – (F/R) 0.00 0.00
Transmission final gear To 6000 Max Speed To 112
!st 2926
2169
1710
1388
1178
1015
3540
Standard Diff 5/20/10 Brakes 5 6
 

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