GTP Le Mans Prototype Series : Season 4 Complete

[SebVettelFan]

So you would want me to drive straight into the wall instead of following the track, I see...

You do know I can't see you... but you can see me - and it's always the driver behind that can avoid the accident by slowing down - when you are trying TOO optimistic overtakes you can't expect one to let you past. You do know that is says always try clean overtakes, right?

I was perfectly entitled to try a move there as I was alongside you. If you can't see me that's not my problem, it's yours. And no not the wall, just a little space would've been nice

 

[Racing Grip]

i'm interested in this series,
PSN:ForceKahvi
GTP:Racing Grip
Car:908 Matmut.

 

[bombe32]

If you can't see me that's not my problem..

That was exactly the problem... if I could I would've not hit you, but instead defended. So, you are complaining about me not being able to see you, right? Stay away then (from my line) or stop complaining afterwards when you know the risk

 

[GT5_X2010]

Not talking about lapping lol

I got confused and added in an extra bit.

Jamman and me have alot of incidents and he blames them on me but I have a massive blindspot due to my TV being small and me using bumber cam meaning I see you when you are in front or behind me, not next to me. Also, Jamman trys optimistic moves as much as I do. He always says I should give him more room but the rear view is not my main concern when racing. Yeah sometimes I make mistake sbut thats racing.

oh and Jamm, your addicted to that song

 

[SebVettelFan]

If you can't see me that's not my problem..

That was exactly the problem... if I could I would've not hit you, but instead defended. So, you are complaining about me not being able to see you, right? Stay away then

Hang on . . . first there was the complaining that it was your line and now you can't see me? Anything else? And yes I will repeat it's not my problem if you don't see me. It even says in the OLR "I can't see him" isn't an excuse if you cause an accident.

It also says: When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.

Check and mate. You were at fault for the incident

 

[Ghova]

Hang on . . . first there was the complaining that it was your line and now you can't see me? Anything else? And yes I will repeat it's not my problem if you don't see me. It even says in the OLR "I can't see him" isn't an excuse if you cause an accident.

It also says: When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.

Check and mate. You were at fault for the incident

he is just a prick from Odense who never did something wrong fking noob

 

[bombe32]

You're right, I see the logic in this: It's the guy who don't know that someone is overtaking him (very optimistic attempt) that caused the accident because he has no mirrors thanks to PD.
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And Timo, you're so right, I'm a prick from Odense who never did anything wrong. That's exactly who I am. I think I will use it in my signature.

 

[Ghova]

OdEnSeBoMbE SUCKS!

 

[bombe32]

Again

My nine year old brother does that:tdown:

 

[AllinWitJT]

Hang on . . . first there was the complaining that it was your line and now you can't see me? Anything else? And yes I will repeat it's not my problem if you don't see me. It even says in the OLR "I can't see him" isn't an excuse if you cause an accident.

It also says: When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.

Check and mate. You were at fault for the incident

How are you holding the line if your behind or at rear quarter panel of the lead car? If you not fast or good enough to get to the apex in time you must duck out. You know the lead car will always go for the apex and go for the block. Just sit tight and wait until next time. The above "rule" is assuming the inside car has been there in comparison to the outside car, not struggling or attempting a position gain on a leading car, wherever it may be.

 

[SebVettelFan]

You're right, I see the logic in this: It's the guy who don't know that someone is overtaking him (very optimistic attempt) that caused the accident because he has no mirrors because of PD.

OK it's PD's fault. All sorted

How are you holding the line if your behind or at rear quarter panel of the lead car? If you not fast or good enough to get to the apex in time you must duck out. You know the lead car will always go for the apex and go for the block. Just sit tight and wait until next time. The above "rule" is assuming the inside car has been there in comparison to the outside car, not struggling or attempting a position gain on a leading car, wherever it may be.

Did you see the incident? Were you even in the race? No, so how do you know where I was in comparison to him?

 

[bombe32]

So, that's how we get less racing incidents... "It wasn't my fault, but yours "

Let's put it this way then... if you try an optimistic overtaking attempt it's at your own risk. The driver ahead DOES NOT have a chance to avoid you, no matter how many times you say "it was my line" And it can never be his fault that you tried to overtake...
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I'm not mad or anything if you think that, I just want clear rules.

 

[SebVettelFan]

So, that's how we get less racing incidents... "It wasn't my fault, but yours "

Let's put it this way then... if you try an optimistic overtaking attempt it's at your own risk. The driver ahead DOES NOT have a chance to avoid you, no matter how many times you say "it was my line" And it can never be his fault that you tried to overtake...

Well, no that's not how we get less racing incidents, but I was just slightly baffled at how you used ours as an example and made out I was at blame (when, as you can see now, I think I did nothing wrong) which has led us to all this.

And as for that "rule" it's kinda better but it's hard to draw a line at what is a optimistic or unoptimistic move

 

[amf7]

just about to start glitching for the speed 8 when i discovered it in ucd

 

[rocko100]

Good stuff only shows up in my UCD when I have less than 100$

 

[Drum404]

Did someone say something about LMP?

 

[AllinWitJT]

OK it's PD's fault. All sorted

Did you see the incident? Were you even in the race? No, so how do you know where I was in comparison to him?

Don't start on me. You have an "I deserve attitude". That much I do know. Out race people more, complain less. Oh and take note, those who pull out the rule book usually need help proving a point that can be argued either way. When an infraction occurs that is clearly an infraction far less has to be said as the obvious is apparent.
I know your quick, race well and have a good attitude. Your a champion after all. Your racing will, and should, far outshine any petty disagreement.

 

[GT5_X2010]

@6.10 = My driving skill knows no limits

 

[xX_F Alonso_Xx]

Did someone say something about LMP?

@6:25 fail

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Golfer, why are you changing the subject again...

Golfer is the OT king, baby

 

[xX_F Alonso_Xx]

Can the spreadsheet be changed? I'm using the 908 Total, not Matmut.

 

[Cowboys965]

Daytona Speedway LMPs!

 

[SebVettelFan]

Don't start on me. You have an "I deserve attitude". That much I do know. Out race people more, complain less. Oh and take note, those who pull out the rule book usually need help proving a point that can be argued either way. When an infraction occurs that is clearly an infraction far less has to be said as the obvious is apparent.
I know your quick, race well and have a good attitude. Your a champion after all. Your racing will, and should, far outshine any petty disagreement.

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's analyze that. You have never met me, probably never will and only know me by this forum. And your judging me and even worse lecturing me on my attitude? I'm sorry but who do you think you are? I can accept people's opinions on me but you know nothing about me as a person IRL or my attitude so the fact you are judging my attitude on the limited info you know about me is baffling.

As for me complaining, yeah I do talk a lot right? You call it complaining, I call it opinion. You along with others clearly don't like what I say sometimes but as far as I know it's a free to opinion forum. And I think I back up my words pretty well on track

 

[AllinWitJT]

Funny how your desire to be right and see things only your way caused you to overlook my compliments about your skill and my hope for you to succeed as a champion without petty issues. What was I to expect? But ok.

 

[amf7]

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's analyze that. You have never met me, probably never will and only know me by this forum. And your judging me and even worse lecturing me on my attitude? I'm sorry but who do you think you are? I can accept people's opinions on me but you know nothing about me as a person IRL or my attitude so the fact you are judging my attitude on the limited info you know about me is baffling.

As for me complaining, yeah I do talk a lot right? You call it complaining, I call it opinion. You along with others clearly don't like what I say sometimes but as far as I know it's a free to opinion forum. And I think I back up my words pretty well on track

They should see our opinions on the CM forum

 

[Cowboys965]

Where are we at this Saturday? Fuji?

 

[GT5_X2010]

A response from me in regards to the discussion between Jamman and Allin

In this series, we all have experienced different things and thus have differnet views on how the series goes.

An example of this could be Mav, who wins pretty much everything he goes to, having a different opinion in regards to say, backmarkers, compared with me when I was a backmarker. (I know this sounds dreadful but bear with me)

If we run the series where one guy says "I want to do this with the series so it is final" then it would perish quickly. That is why every driver must give their opinion on subject matters relating to the series (although not to the extent of the tyre challenge where every rule except not pitting was over ruled eventually).

I disagree with Jamman alot over racing incidents that we have because as a certainty in a racing incident, the two or more drivers involved will all have a different viewpoint on what happens. Both in how they read the race and how they see what is happening from their camera. This means that two racer's may have a massive disagreement over an incident as the one cannot see what the other did.

For example, take the incident from the last lap of Le Mans in season 3. Razor saw Blaze and read the race as him moving wide to give him room. However Blaze may of just run slightly wide and be moving back onto his racing line, hence as Razor attempts to use all the space he thought Blaze gave him, Blaze comes back and they touch, moving Blaze off track. From Blaze's point, Razor knocked him off. From Razor's point, Blaze drove towards him and GT5 physics meant the incident was Blaze getting knocked away THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE

Alot of time as well, me and Jamman are racing and incidents may occur:
Today we were racing at Fuji. It was after the hairpin after the Coca-Cola (turn 3) corner and we were racing through the flat rights. I was chasing and could clearly see from my bumper camera that I was very close behind. Jamman was not aware of this. As we breaked into the chicane, I moved to the inside to overtake. Due to the distance between us being so small, I was sure the overtake would be certain. However Jamman was not aware of how close we were. As I mmoved up the inside under breaking, I was expecting him to stay on the outside of the right handed but he moved to the inside as though following normal racing line. The result was his GT-ONE hitting mine with a minor tap, nothing more. I expected Jamman to of seen me there and stayed on the outside since I clear advantage of the inside line (Jamman was talking about the "I couldnt see him" rule earlier) but he moved to the inside because he read the race as me being too far back to pass. (In a long race, I would of studied his weak points for a few laps then pounced meaning Jamm would have an idea of my strong points so he would of been more likely to know I would of been able to pull of a pass there in comparison with a large amount of 5 lap races but the point still stands)

Because we don't have access to mass amounts of telemantry and onboards and replays at the touch of a button, we must hear the view point of both the drivers. The same applies to any incident unless one drivers says that they caused it and then it is done. For this reason, I welcome the discussion about all the racing incidents. It is good to read as well.

So Allin, would you prefer that race incident penalties be decided based on one drivers view or both?





Its stuff like this that resulted in me getting As and A*s in my English coursework. I am actually at the point where I enjoy simply typing long replies because it fails to impress me how quickly I can type.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

How did you get As and A*s in your English coursework without using commas to set off quotation marks denoting someone speaking?

 

[AllinWitJT]

A response from me in regards to the discussion between Jamman and Allin

In this series, we all have experienced different things and thus have differnet views on how the series goes.

An example of this could be Mav, who wins pretty much everything he goes to, having a different opinion in regards to say, backmarkers, compared with me when I was a backmarker. (I know this sounds dreadful but bear with me)

If we run the series where one guy says "I want to do this with the series so it is final" then it would perish quickly. That is why every driver must give their opinion on subject matters relating to the series (although not to the extent of the tyre challenge where every rule except not pitting was over ruled eventually).

I disagree with Jamman alot over racing incidents that we have because as a certainty in a racing incident, the two or more drivers involved will all have a different viewpoint on what happens. Both in how they read the race and how they see what is happening from their camera. This means that two racer's may have a massive disagreement over an incident as the one cannot see what the other did.

For example, take the incident from the last lap of Le Mans in season 3. Razor saw Blaze and read the race as him moving wide to give him room. However Blaze may of just run slightly wide and be moving back onto his racing line, hence as Razor attempts to use all the space he thought Blaze gave him, Blaze comes back and they touch, moving Blaze off track. From Blaze's point, Razor knocked him off. From Razor's point, Blaze drove towards him and GT5 physics meant the incident was Blaze getting knocked away THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE

Alot of time as well, me and Jamman are racing and incidents may occur:
Today we were racing at Fuji. It was after the hairpin after the Coca-Cola (turn 3) corner and we were racing through the flat rights. I was chasing and could clearly see from my bumper camera that I was very close behind. Jamman was not aware of this. As we breaked into the chicane, I moved to the inside to overtake. Due to the distance between us being so small, I was sure the overtake would be certain. However Jamman was not aware of how close we were. As I mmoved up the inside under breaking, I was expecting him to stay on the outside of the right handed but he moved to the inside as though following normal racing line. The result was his GT-ONE hitting mine with a minor tap, nothing more. I expected Jamman to of seen me there and stayed on the outside since I clear advantage of the inside line (Jamman was talking about the "I couldnt see him" rule earlier) but he moved to the inside because he read the race as me being too far back to pass. (In a long race, I would of studied his weak points for a few laps then pounced meaning Jamm would have an idea of my strong points so he would of been more likely to know I would of been able to pull of a pass there in comparison with a large amount of 5 lap races but the point still stands)

Because we don't have access to mass amounts of telemantry and onboards and replays at the touch of a button, we must hear the view point of both the drivers. The same applies to any incident unless one drivers says that they caused it and then it is done. For this reason, I welcome the discussion about all the racing incidents. It is good to read as well.

So Allin, would you prefer that race incident penalties be decided based on one drivers view or both?

Its stuff like this that resulted in me getting As and A*s in my English coursework. I am actually at the point where I enjoy simply typing long replies because it fails to impress me how quickly I can type.

I agree.

What I disagree with are statements of speculation. "I would have made the pass if it wasn't for you" kind of thing. Opinions are not facts. "I deserve and am entitled to a clear line because" type of stuff.

Let's try this one. "If I wasn't disconnected I know for a fact I would of finished on top of the world" type.

Again golfer I agree, two positions should be known from both. But all involved should also understand what over aggressive and mistakes mean in relation to what goes on during the race. Those actions are a fact within the league that tend to lead to more mishaps than purposeful move overs, door closing blocking and so on.

 

[GT5_X2010]

How did you get As and A*s in your English coursework without using commas to set off quotation marks denoting someone speaking?

That was a quote, not someone speaking. I will admit I made a few mistakes by missing some capitals but oh well, its just the GTP forum.

You will not use “textspeak” (“r”, “u”, “plz”, etc.) in your messages. Decent grammar is expected at all times, including proper usage of capital letters.

You are all going to get banned from the gtplanet.net forums now for breaching this rule countless times.