GTP Nascar Nationwide Series | Series Champion: OwensRacing
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Spurgy 777
60 laps compared to 50 laps = 20% of your tank therefore the 48 laps Droptop was refering to would be at 80% throttle. Therefore 48 x 0.8 = 38.4 and for the one stoppers 48 x 1.0 = 48. 48-38.4=9.6. Now 48 = 100% say at 50sec/lap. And 38.4 = 96%, 100-96=4% & 4% of 50= 2. So at 80% throttle your lap times would be 52sec. Over 48 laps that becomes 96sec or 1-1/2 to 2 laps down. Of course they would be a lap up for not making a pitstop so 2-1=1 or 1-1/2 - 1=1/2 lap. And surely once the one stoppers are right in front of the zero stoppers they would have to use full throttle to get into their draft which would then consume more gas than they calculated as well.
Now since S1 through S2 and S3 of SC and including portions of NW S1 and the current S2 I have tried various ways of no stopping and really there's no benefit. It actually comes to bite you in the arse.
Take for example at SSRX. I knew there would've been a lot of fuel saving going on. And I seen an opportunity at lap 7 to bring up the pace. I was running in top 5 with lead pack. I miss calculated n jumped the gun one lap. I had seen I had a little over 1/4 tank at lap 7.5 and with a ten lap race it seemed obvious that I had enough fuel left since I pushed hard the first 3-4 laps till we settled on snail pace. Now I should've waited to lap 8.5 since you have to complete lap 10. Which is essentially 11 laps. 11/4=2.75. 11-2.75=8.25.
Therefore at a solid quarter tank I could've went flat out after lap 8.25 not 7.5. Now during that particular race, I figured all this out during lap 8. So I knew I had to really conserve. My teammate smuffy was down due to a wreck but making his way back up front. I decided since I had to save fuel like a baby that I might as well fall back to him n stick with him, since I had nothing to gain since I screwed myself.
Coming around turn 4 Mules team had to make a pit stop. I needed fuel but decided to go flat out once more and help smuffy get past them n gaurantee him 4th place since my pushing down the front straight at full throttle was more than enough to get away from Mule n his teammate soon to leave the pits. I ran out of gas as expected n smuffy came in 4th as I predicted.
My point is its math, its simple. People write the game with simple formulas. Do the math n you will know what to expect as I just laid out in this example.
And I would love to not get wrecked for at least one race this series. I bet if I don't and whoever I am working with doesn't then I will have a great chance at winning this Saturday. I know u guys think I'm stupid n have no chance but I have not even been given an opportunity to win yet. I would love to not get wrecked n show u guys how its done. This is why RFLX hired me n has not fired me.
I may cause drama with my literature on this thread but I never cause drama on track as I CAN hold my line n I do suprisingly use a controller. I would love to prove u all wrong. Try to name one race were I caused a wreck. I can name all the races I was wrecked by someone else.
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- Spurgy777
I don't think it's that simple Ken, if there's a big enough group up front they should be able to fuel save and not lose too much time though, and they won't need to completely fuel save either because they will only need to save as if they had a full tank going to lap 59, when in testing I think it was possible to go to lap 67 or 63, I can't remember which, RPH will probably know. Here's the maths if a small group pit on lap 12 using 63 laps as max fuel whilst fuel saving.
(12/63)*100=19.05 litres of fuel used = 80.95 litres left in the tank for the remaining 48 laps.
This is the same as having enough fuel for (48/80.95)*100 = 59.3 laps if you were to have a full tank. 52.5 laps is the max number of laps flat out. 63 laps is max whilst fuel saving.
[(59.3-52.5)/(63-52.5)]*100 = 64.76% fuel saving. So to stay ahead of the chasing group which would probably come out lets say 30 seconds behind, don't know how long a pit stop is but there we go. Anyway, 30 seconds over 48 laps is 0.625 seconds a lap. So if the lead group is big enough they should be able to do that whilst saving fuel 2/3rds of the time.
As for your SSRX calculations, it wasn't effectively a 11 lap race. I think you mean by being half way around lap 7, you had only completed 6.5 laps, because after lap 7 you have completed 7 laps. So you had used 75% of your fuel in 6.5 laps.
(12/63)*100=19.05 litres of fuel used = 80.95 litres left in the tank for the remaining 48 laps.
This is the same as having enough fuel for (48/80.95)*100 = 59.3 laps if you were to have a full tank. 52.5 laps is the max number of laps flat out. 63 laps is max whilst fuel saving.
[(59.3-52.5)/(63-52.5)]*100 = 64.76% fuel saving. So to stay ahead of the chasing group which would probably come out lets say 30 seconds behind, don't know how long a pit stop is but there we go. Anyway, 30 seconds over 48 laps is 0.625 seconds a lap. So if the lead group is big enough they should be able to do that whilst saving fuel 2/3rds of the time.
As for your SSRX calculations, it wasn't effectively a 11 lap race. I think you mean by being half way around lap 7, you had only completed 6.5 laps, because after lap 7 you have completed 7 laps. So you had used 75% of your fuel in 6.5 laps.
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- Droptop2001gt
Simple math:
If the drivers who are willing to run flat out pit very early, the drivers who want to save fuel and not pit can't save fuel behind them. The 0-stoppers either have to start running flat out themselves (eliminating a 0-stop strategy), or they have to save fuel in behind a smaller pack (slower overall speed and less efficient fuel-saving, possibly eliminating 0-stop). Either way, their strategy to save fuel in behind a large pack is going to lose because the pack that pits early is going to catch them.
If the drivers who are willing to run flat out pit very early, the drivers who want to save fuel and not pit can't save fuel behind them. The 0-stoppers either have to start running flat out themselves (eliminating a 0-stop strategy), or they have to save fuel in behind a smaller pack (slower overall speed and less efficient fuel-saving, possibly eliminating 0-stop). Either way, their strategy to save fuel in behind a large pack is going to lose because the pack that pits early is going to catch them.
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james6653
Or me.
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Driver points are updated here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmrPKqYP5rlxdEFUeVNGU21QOTZTQ2N5Z21MT3JDUEE
Team points are all screwed up because I still don't have the order of the disconnects from Motegi, but RAB has basically locked it up anyway.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmrPKqYP5rlxdEFUeVNGU21QOTZTQ2N5Z21MT3JDUEE
Team points are all screwed up because I still don't have the order of the disconnects from Motegi, but RAB has basically locked it up anyway.
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- Silent7Sniper7
Hey if you need a pace car let me know
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- PumpinNumbies
Do I have any teammates racing tomorrow? I usually just make my pit strategy up as the race goes on. Probably just do the opposite of whatever Owens/Mustard do, but teammates could alter the plan I suppose.
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- Furinkazen_54
Laguna seca is wrong, for a start I have no points.
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- smuffyatfcp
Because youre not racing for the Nationwide title
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- Furinkazen_54
But doesn't alter me scoring NW team points...
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MÜLE_9242;7815906
Well point of a points table is to explain things, not "announce", no need to find another reason to try and have a dig at me....
Anyhow, Vanilla seems to have vanished so I might be filling in either today or next week for my final NW race.
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Race starts in one hour and fourty minutes
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- neljack
Ok 👍
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