GTP NASCAR SPRINT CUP S3 Champs: RFLX_Niop, Joe Gibbs Racing, Toyota

[MustangRyan]

Updated average finish stats for the Sprint Cup series can be found in the attachment.

From the stats department:

1. MULE_9242 is the 11th different race winner in 30 points races held in the GTP NASCAR Sprint Cup Series. Mule is the first new race winner since week 3 of last season, when M-Stall notched his first career victory, also at Monza.

2. The winner at Monza has been a first-time Sprint Cup race winner in all three seasons (Boyce, M-Stall41, Mule_9242).

3. There have been 35 different drivers to lead at least one lap during our first 30 races. RedPartyHat became the 35th different driver to lead a lap when he led last week at Indy.

4. So far, 1,935 laps have been run in our series. We will complete our 2,000th lap during the race at Cape Ring Inside in two weeks. At the end of the season, we will have completed 2,818 laps.

 

[kenkwilinski]

Funny thing Ryan posted stats as I posted up at NW thread. Check those out too.

I haven't completed this week's SC stats as of today. I worked on a few other stats' sheets (2 for NW and the one you are about to read about here.).

So, for today, we have CAREER GTP NASCAR STATS.

These include NW & SC on one sheet added together. Like IRL, example Kyle Busch received his 100th NASCAR win last season. This combined NW & SC.

Take a look, here ya go! Your welcome.

EDIT : SC S3 race at Monza NOT INCLUDED! Will revise and repost tomorrow along with Updated SC S3 weekly update stats sheets.


AND RYAN - I have 1849 laps driven. This 86 laps unaccounted for. I believe these 86 laps belong all to the "1 hit wonders of S1". Do you agree? And if so, should I log them? Or just forget them? Though I have included some of those drivers in our Career Stats if they had something substantial to include to the story (such as wins, top3 & top5).

EDIT THAT: 86laps - 30laps(Monza S3 not incl.) = 56 laps unaccounted for.

 

[MustangRyan]

Yeah, if you have anything not included from S1, that could easily explain the difference.

For reference, here's what I got when I counted:

Droptop2001gt - 373
RFLX_Niop - 342
Knelly - 266
ACDCROCKS123 - 218
JoeOfTheFire - 183
homeslice47 - 125
MULE_9242 - 58
Furinkazen - 48
M-Stall41 - 46
DBUCKEYES - 40
Crazy_Bassist_83 - 30
dowhat13 - 28
The_Boyce - 24
ONENOSTYCAMARO - 21
mustardaddict - 18
EERS4YEARS - 16
ZRod69 - 12
MrRedSox2542 - 12
ALA-338 - 11
Hey6541 - 9
GTP_Akmuq - 8
abetterplaya - 7
MSK-77 - 7
FastFox400 - 6
jtsharkin9 - 6
Carbonox - 4
SnakeGT40 - 4
Mudd - 3
RedPartyHat - 2
funkyDucks - 2
Jakob_Nascar88 - 2
TomMcD - 1
PoppaSmurph - 1
Dararo23 - 1
GTP_BlacqueJack - 1


Also, when are we going to get some Drive 2 End Hunger Race Previews? Those were some of my favorite reads before races.

 

[Furinkazen]

Thats more than I thought. By the way, got a treat coming on friday

 

[kenkwilinski]

Yeah, if you have anything not included from S1, that could easily explain the difference.

For reference, here's what I got when I counted:

Droptop2001gt - 373
RFLX_Niop - 342
Knelly - 266
ACDCROCKS123 - 218
JoeOfTheFire - 183
homeslice47 - 125
MULE_9242 - 58
Furinkazen - 48
M-Stall41 - 46
DBUCKEYES - 40
Crazy_Bassist_83 - 30
dowhat13 - 28
The_Boyce - 24
ONENOSTYCAMARO - 21
mustardaddict - 18
EERS4YEARS - 16
ZRod69 - 12
MrRedSox2542 - 12
ALA-338 - 11
Hey6541 - 9
GTP_Akmuq - 8
abetterplaya - 7
MSK-77 - 7
FastFox400 - 6
jtsharkin9 - 6
Carbonox - 4
SnakeGT40 - 4
Mudd - 3
RedPartyHat - 2
funkyDucks - 2
Jakob_Nascar88 - 2
TomMcD - 1
PoppaSmurph - 1
Dararo23 - 1
GTP_BlacqueJack - 1


Also, when are we going to get some Drive 2 End Hunger Race Previews? Those were some of my favorite reads before races.

Cool I'll take a look at your counts tomorrow when I do more updates. And I can do some more race previews if I have time to. I do these things in my downtime at work. Which I have plenty of But you seem to be the only one who's missed them over the past two weeks. There's no point to any of the stats or previews if no one wants to discuss anything. Like, I'm open to discussion about anything I create to post in this thread. Example, take a look at Career Nascar stats. I believe droptop has over 400 career laps lead. Another thing to add...if furi posted results in his leagues I could easily put stats together like I did with the SC S1 stats inwhich were used along with the newly formed S2 stats to cumulate SC career stats, which has now evolved into GTP NASCAR Career stats. Something nice to do, like if we had full IROC stats n etc....... here ya go, discuss.

Edit: actually it would be great to have full trucks stats posted by furi. Could use that to add to the GTP NASCAR career stats 💡

 

[MustangRyan]

With the Nationwide series taking off so quickly, and already running at capacity, I'm looking for a way to expand the Sprint Cup for season four.

Option 1: expand the field to 24 drivers, holding two races per week simultaneously.

Race one would feature the odd-numbered drivers in the points standings.

Race two would feature the even-numbered drivers in the points standings.

Each week, both races should feature slightly different fields as the point standings are updated.

Both races pay equal points for positions 1-12, and a 10 driver Chase is setup after ten weeks of races, where all 10 Chase drivers race against one another in every race for five weeks.

Option 2: divide the field like described above, but to hold two small heat races. Take the top six finishers from both heat races, and place them in a full feature race for positions 1-12. Let the bottom six from each race run their main feature race at the same time for positions 13-24 for that week.

I'm still just toying with the thought, for now. The logistics of teams, room hosts, and replay review would need some serious thought put into them before we could move forward with anything like this.

 

[kenkwilinski]

Or you can have 24 drivers and hold open qualifying during the week with live updates in real time here on the thread. Take the twelve fastest to the show each week. This idea is more like real life. And to further it, you can include "buy-ins", like champion gets in, top 3 in pts get in, winner at track last season or prior race gets in, etc.... this will promote the whole team practice and training. And help shape up the farm league. And the drivers who don't qualify can race for NW points that day, wether its for team points or driver points. Or just to keep the rust off that weekend.

 

[SUfan21]

Heat races all the way

 

[james6653]

Or you can have 24 drivers and hold open qualifying during the week with live updates in real time here on the thread. Take the twelve fastest to the show each week. This idea is more like real life. And to further it, you can include "buy-ins", like champion gets in, top 3 in pts get in, winner at track last season or prior race gets in, etc.... this will promote the whole team practice and training. And help shape up the farm league. And the drivers who don't qualify can race for NW points that day, wether its for team points or driver points. Or just to keep the rust off that weekend.

I like this idea

 

[MustangRyan]

I don't like the idea of 12 guys not getting to race at all. Keep turning people away, and they stop coming back. For now, this is just something to think about for season four, should enough interested drivers want to participate.

 

[Niop]

But you seem to be the only one who's missed them over the past two weeks. There's no point to any of the stats or previews if no one wants to discuss anything.

I've missed them too. I always like looking at the stats. And I think it would be awesome to add in the Trucks and IROC if possible.

As for expanding the league, I like the idea of growing to 24 drivers and having open qualifying throughout the week. Have the top 12 go to the division 1 race and bottom 12 go to the division 2 race. We could appoint some stewards to verify qualifying laps etc.

 

[MustangRyan]

I'm not a big fan of basing it on qualifying times, or having to be available all through the week to collect and verify those times.

I really like the idea of two small heat races on Saturday afternoon. Take the results of those two heat races and split the field into Race A (top 6 from each race) for positions 1-12, and Race B (bottom 6 from each race) for positions 13-24. Only the laps led in Race A would be counted for laps led bonus points, as the winner of Race B finishes 13th for the weekend.

The real question would be how to deal with disconnects. Do they finish last in their race, or go all the way to the bottom for the day, even if they were in race A? How do we decide who would host the room I'm not in? I have a very strong connection, but who has the next best one? It just seems like it could be a logistical nightmare. How would teams work? You wouldn't know who would be in which race until the heats were over, so planning strategy for races would be nearly impossible. Would we even keep teams? Would we put all Chase drivers into Race A automatically during the Chase, or make them earn their spot in Race A? Imagine a Chase driver being stuck in Race B on a Chase weekend.



I'm picturing a points system like this:

1st place - 28 points
2nd place - 26 points
3rd place - 24 points
4th place - 22 points
5th place - 20 points
6th place - 19 points
7th place - 18 points
8th place - 17 points
9th place - 16 points
10th place - 15 points
11th place - 14 points
12th place - 13 points (12th place in Race A)
---------------------------------------------
13th place - 12 points (1st place in Race B)
14th place - 11 points
15th place - 10 points
16th place - 9 points
17th place - 8 points
18th place - 7 points
19th place - 6 points
20th place - 5 points
21st place - 4 points
22nd place - 3 points
23rd place - 2 points
24th place - 1 point

 

[kenkwilinski]

I still like my idea better but you're the one running the show. Here's my thoughts on what you vision:

Instead of dealing with the logistical nightmare. Just split the league into two. Keep the team names. Wipe NW out. Use those team names but as seperate identies. And take top halves in points from regular season and do a chase from there.

And btw, thanks Niop for your support. Looks like the drive to end hunger campaign is still asking you for donations too

 

[MustangRyan]

We definitely aren't going to wipe out NW, not now, not ever. A solid companion league is always a good thing to have running. As drivers come and go, we need to have a pool of experienced drivers ready to move up and step in to the Sprint Cup. The Nationwide Series is the perfect place to get more drivers that valuable experience that will help them transition to Sprint Cup seats when the chances become available. I would hate to think drivers were just going to come in to Sprint Cup without any prior Sprint Cup or Nationwide experience at all. They would be up against very hard opposition for the first season or two, until they got really settled in. The hope is that our league will continue to find interested drivers and will keep expanding, both in Sprint Cup and Nationwide.

 

[Niop]

Looks like the drive to end hunger campaign is still asking you for donations too

lol, I thought I got them off my back. But they just won't leave me alone.

Drop - The more I think about it, I actually would like the heat race idea better for qualifying. This would require great consistency to keep yourself in Race A. For disconnects, I think if you qualified for Race A, you should get a worst of 12th place. I think that would be fair.

I still think we need to grow a bit more for all of this to work and keep the NW series alive.

 

[MustangRyan]

lol, I thought I got them off my back. But they just won't leave me alone.

Drop - The more I think about it, I actually would like the heat race idea better for qualifying. This would require great consistency to keep yourself in Race A. For disconnects, I think if you qualified for Race A, you should get a worst of 12th place. I think that would be fair.

I still think we need to grow a bit more for all of this to work and keep the NW series alive.

I actually think a disconnect should send you to 24th, as you can't finish 12th if you don't finish the race.

I do agree that we definitely need a lot more interested drivers before we consider going through changes this large. I'm at least starting to plan for it now, in case we do happen to get there by the end of this season.

 

[Müle]

I'd prefer to wait until this season is over and we can gauge the interest for next season before we start changing the format. 👍

 

[Niop]

I actually think a disconnect should send you to 24th, as you can't finish 12th if you don't finish the race.

If someone decides to start and park in Race A would they still get 12th place points?

 

[MustangRyan]

I don't think they should. I'm OK with someone that is a lap down or two in Race A finishing 12th, as they could argue that the winner of Race A could have lapped all of the drivers in Race B. But, if you only complete 4 of 60 laps in Race A, you should finish 24th, unless someone in race B only completed 2 laps.

 

[Niop]

I don't think they should. I'm OK with someone that is a lap down or two in Race A finishing 12th, as they could argue that the winner of Race A could have lapped all of the drivers in Race B. But, if you only complete 4 of 60 laps in Race A, you should finish 24th, unless someone in race B only completed 2 laps.

Ok, that sounds fair enough. This would be great, hopefully we can get enough interest and run this in season 4.

 

[DrifterJoe]

I don't really like heat races or qualifying times, but I'd prefer qualifying times as someone could get caught up in somebody elses accident in a heat race through no fault of their own.

My reasons for disliking them are what I said above for heat races (for example me and Niop could get caught up in someone elses accident at HSR and end up being put into Race B despite having a frontrunning Race A pace). For qualifying times it's having to put in more time to make qualifying setups and adjust them for each driver (wheel and controller users usually having to use completely different setups), but it would be fairer than heat races.

EDIT: for qualifying times I would suggest an outlap and 2 flying laps. For SSRX a heat race would probably be needed.

 

[MustangRyan]

My reasons for disliking them are what I said above for heat races (for example me and Niop could get caught up in someone elses accident)

That could happen in our regular races now, and could still happen again once in Race A or Race B, no matter how you wind up in them.

 

[fastfox400]

Drop, on a side note. Do you think AC, and Mstall will make the 600?

 

[DrifterJoe]

That could happen in our regular races now, and could still happen again once in Race A or Race B, no matter how you wind up in them.

True, but if it happened in race a you'd get more points than if it happened to you in race b. If you qualified with lap times into race a then you'd at least earn points that are more representative of your pace at the track, rather than a heat race wreck leaving you to compete for half the points against a mostly slower and less competative field. Even if you won race b you'd still get less points than if you'd gotten involved in wrecks in race a that made you finish last. (Well, it'd be equal points since you'd get a point for a lap led, possibly another point for the most laps.)

You'd still have to have a qualifying session to decide grid order and the pole point, so why not have the qualifying happen throughout the week before the event and save time by not having heat races and a further qualifying session? Some drivers arrive a few minutes before the race as they cannot get on earlier and would not be present for heat races, meaning they'd nearly always be in race b. EDIT: and some drivers can't race past a certain time since they have things to do. (Some drivers can't race the full distance of our longer races currently, and races would end even later if we added heat races and qualifying beforehand)

 

[JakobNascar88]

I want to race this race because I am not racing at Daytona in Nationwide.

 

[MustangRyan]

Drop, on a side note. Do you think AC, and Mstall will make the 600?

I sure hope so. M-Stall really needs the points, and potentially secure the wild card if he could win the race.

(Well, it'd be equal points since you'd get a point for a lap led, possibly another point for the most laps.)

There would be no points for leading laps in Race B. The 13th place car can't lead a lap. Only laps led in Race A would count.

You'd still have to have a qualifying session to decide grid order and the pole point, so why not have the qualifying happen throughout the week before the event and save time by not having heat races and a further qualifying session? Some drivers arrive a few minutes before the race as they cannot get on earlier and would not be present for heat races, meaning they'd nearly always be in race b. EDIT: and some drivers can't race past a certain time since they have things to do. (Some drivers can't race the full distance of our longer races currently, and races would end even later if we added heat races and qualifying beforehand)

We would probably do away with qualifying and the pole point completely. The heat races would be something like 15-20 minute races, meaning they could replace our current qualifying sessions, and not affect the timing of the main races.

We're still a long way from implementing any of this, so we probably shouldn't worry about too much of this right now.

I want to race this race because I am not racing at Daytona in Nationwide.

Jakob, your driving rights belong to your car owner. If you were to drive in the Sprint Cup, it would be for MULE's Red Bull Racing team, just like in Nationwide. You would need MULE's permission to drive for a non-Red Bull team in either Nationwide or Sprint Cup. If MULE doesn't assign you a car to drive, you can't just take one from someone else because you want to. Stop posting in these threads asking to race. You can only race when your car owner lets you race.

Every time you post questions like these that we have answered before, it probably makes MULE more hesitant to put you in a car at a track like Daytona or SSRX. It shows you aren't listening to what we've already told you, or just don't understand what we are telling you. Those are bad traits to have for a driver at drafting tracks like these. MULE needs to see you are able to listen and follow directions before he's going to put you on track at Daytona or SSRX.

 

[cgr-10]

So are we starting in daylight and finishing under lights at SSRX like the real race?

 

[MustangRyan]

So are we starting in daylight and finishing under lights at SSRX like the real race?

I'm going to try to hold the whole event during daylight hours if that is possible. It is just too hard to see the other cars in a few spots on the track in the dark.

Also, there's a chance this will be pushed back one week due to a scheduling conflict with work. I should know for sure before I leave today in about 6 hours. If so, we'll run this race next week, and push race 5 until after the All-Star break.

 

[cgr-10]

The reason I'm running IndyCar in the daytime is because the cars are fragile and we're on heavy damage. I think the NASCAR's would take to the dark slightly easier as we bump draft anyway and use light damage here; but you're the boss 👍

 

[MustangRyan]

As the driver of the BLACK FedEx Toyota, I'm more inclined to want a daylight race so I don't get punted "on accident."