GTP WRS-Online : Special Event III - Spa Mixed Class Enduro - Mar 25
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Sorry. I've been notified the new time will not work for at least one driver so we are sticking to the original plan. We're NOT moving the event up one hour at this late date. Please post if you can't make the original time.
In the event that a driver from lobby A cannot participate we "may" move a driver up from B, but the goal is to keep both even in terms of numbers so we will let A get smaller before we start pulling multiple drivers from room B.
In the event that a driver from lobby A cannot participate we "may" move a driver up from B, but the goal is to keep both even in terms of numbers so we will let A get smaller before we start pulling multiple drivers from room B.
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I'm sorry, but these time zones are confusing, it slipped my mind about the times for this race but I wasn't sure whether the race time would stay the same or be adjusted due to DST..
An idea I have is that if 1/2 drivers can't make the proposed time although they are in Room B, then the time of their race stays the same, while Room A starts an hour earlier. That is only if it is not too much trouble.
Edit: Just seen your post Tim, I will try to organise something but there is a good chance I won't be able to make it. Gutted.
An idea I have is that if 1/2 drivers can't make the proposed time although they are in Room B, then the time of their race stays the same, while Room A starts an hour earlier. That is only if it is not too much trouble.
Edit: Just seen your post Tim, I will try to organise something but there is a good chance I won't be able to make it. Gutted.
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- GTP_hasslemoff
ill edit post.
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There is at least one driver from the A race that can't make the proposed new time so that wouldn't help you much and wouldn't be fair to ask them to move down to B even if we can organize it. Not to mention coordinating this as it is has taken enough time without further complicating matters.
I would actually like the two rooms to start at slightly different times if it would work out, up to 30 minutes, but it's something that should have been worked into the event from the start or at least a week ago, but at this point it's a just too late.
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- InsatiableFiend
The whole BST/GMT thing is a stupid concept - sorry to see it causing issues. We should always use BST....shorter days in winter is just irritating/depressing
Hope you can still make it Biffy. I might have to put off getting up quite so early to watch @ Sepang just to ensure I stay fairly awake
I would recommend PM'ing every British entrant to ensure that they know/understand that BST comes into effect at 2am UK time, which they ought to all realise by the time Sunday morning comes, but in the interest of getting everyone turning up on time it's probably worth it....
Hope you can still make it Biffy. I might have to put off getting up quite so early to watch @ Sepang just to ensure I stay fairly awake
I would recommend PM'ing every British entrant to ensure that they know/understand that BST comes into effect at 2am UK time, which they ought to all realise by the time Sunday morning comes, but in the interest of getting everyone turning up on time it's probably worth it....
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Here are the lobby assignments and starting order as they stand today. (Biffy's status of course may shuffle things a little).
Wes (w-g-e) has told us he's not going to run in the Enduro, but he'll run in the Saturday races (due to wheel issues). If Biffy drops there will be one open spot and Wes you are welcome to fill in either car class if you change your mind.
Also we will still accept new registrations for reserves starting in the back of the grid in lounge B in case of last minute cancels. Those new drivers will be required to run qualification if they want to try for an open spot on the LMP class otherwise they can run GT. Reserve spots would be first come first serve at this point.
Note: We will try to maintain at least 6 drivers in LMP for both rooms. So if we lose an LMP-A driver we'l ask a GT-B driver to step up to A unless there was an LMP reserve driver to take the vacated 6th LMP spot in B.
Any volunteers?
Wes (w-g-e) has told us he's not going to run in the Enduro, but he'll run in the Saturday races (due to wheel issues). If Biffy drops there will be one open spot and Wes you are welcome to fill in either car class if you change your mind.
Also we will still accept new registrations for reserves starting in the back of the grid in lounge B in case of last minute cancels. Those new drivers will be required to run qualification if they want to try for an open spot on the LMP class otherwise they can run GT. Reserve spots would be first come first serve at this point.
Note: We will try to maintain at least 6 drivers in LMP for both rooms. So if we lose an LMP-A driver we'l ask a GT-B driver to step up to A unless there was an LMP reserve driver to take the vacated 6th LMP spot in B.
Any volunteers?
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I am in 3D3 lounge now running some practice laps.
Al
Al
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Cmon Biffy you gotta beat Den remember 
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Btw the way I responded no problem for me... Tbh I work/race better the later it gets
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.Btw the way I responded no problem for me... Tbh I work/race better the later it gets
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The registration images on the support page has been updated with your quali times and starting position on the grids for saturday (formation).
If you are running a class in a support race for which you didn't qualify you will start in the back of the class. That applies to both PASM and NINE_HUNDRED who did not make qualifying runs for the GT class.
All races on saturday will be held in GTP_3D3_A with mics-disabled. The lounge will open about 60 minutes prior to race start. A steward will announce when it's ready for customers.
If you are running a class in a support race for which you didn't qualify you will start in the back of the class. That applies to both PASM and NINE_HUNDRED who did not make qualifying runs for the GT class.
All races on saturday will be held in GTP_3D3_A with mics-disabled. The lounge will open about 60 minutes prior to race start. A steward will announce when it's ready for customers.
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It's just paulmac and ren-tec by the looks of it - I'll PM them. Aderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm, Biffy & hasslemoff are clearly aware.
Edit: I Pm'd them
Edit2: 'A' race for me =
Thanks for that, Matt. 👍
Looks like Ren-Tec and Wardez are all GTP official now, and fast too!
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Lol I start on pole for the first support race .
Your going to have to make the start point clear to me. (The total sign going towards Eau Rouge?)
. Your going to have to make the start point clear to me. (The total sign going towards Eau Rouge?)
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paulmac2k9Lol I start on pole for the first support race
Your going to have to make the start point clear to me. (The total sign going towards Eau Rouge?)
Yes total sign after turn 1 is the start point. Staggered formation.... Left/right/left... Slow rounding 1 and give time for last driver in class to close ranks.
On iPhone now so can't type efficiently
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I canceled my registration last week, or so I thought.. I did check the main list and thought my name was taken off 
I posted a message as well. Either way, I wont be there I'm afraid.
I posted a message as well. Either way, I wont be there I'm afraid.
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If there is any chance that the B lounge racers would start about 5 minutes early on Sunday that would be awesome. Reason is we only have one OLR admin in that lounge. I was thinking that I would start over in that lounge and do the performance checks and work the chat pad during the formation lap. Then once you are all underway sneak back to the A lounge. If timing is good the A lounge will already be weighed in and I'll just jump in the pits and away we go.
For the specs checks we're going to set the lounge to 552 HP Max and 1090 KG Min and the direct all the GT drivers enter the pits. All drivers should remain in the pits and not enter the track. Then we're going to change specs to 739 HP Max and 930 KG Min and direct all LMP drivers to enter pits. With everyone still in pits we will start the race timer.
Once the race begins and you are placed on the grid hold your positions and you will be called out in order (via text) to begin your formation laps. Group up around Turn 1 and when all drivers from the class are called begin the formation lap.
Nobody should be typing at this point except the steward. If you have questions get them answered before this point please.
For the specs checks we're going to set the lounge to 552 HP Max and 1090 KG Min and the direct all the GT drivers enter the pits. All drivers should remain in the pits and not enter the track. Then we're going to change specs to 739 HP Max and 930 KG Min and direct all LMP drivers to enter pits. With everyone still in pits we will start the race timer.
Once the race begins and you are placed on the grid hold your positions and you will be called out in order (via text) to begin your formation laps. Group up around Turn 1 and when all drivers from the class are called begin the formation lap.
Nobody should be typing at this point except the steward. If you have questions get them answered before this point please.
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Gonna head for some practice in 5 minutes
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A quick tip about the gridding..
On the grid, press E-brake, and then pause.
Your car will be transparent, and the risk of getting hit, or be part of an incident is eliminated.
It's not that important since we're running light damage, but it's a good thing to do, and I always do it during the gridding.
We're always (almost) run heavy damage in the PURE races, so we do like this to ensure no one gets damage by lag or bad luck..
But then again, no need here really cause of the light damage. But it's never a bad thing to do. Cause once you're in a race with heavy damage, your behaviour will per automatic keep you out of any incident.
Just saying. 👍
Edit: The discussions regarding start time of the main race, I'm not bothered. I can race any time that day. 👍
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I've confirmed for the 1st support race as well; I assumed that wouldn't be a problem with 14. However, it is at 4am, and although I didn't get sloshed at the wedding I attended, if I do happen to sleep in and miss it (I have to get up again 4ish hours from now), please forgive me.
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Some important notes for the Support races today. (note: the two formation laps and GT getting a head start will NOT apply to the Enduro on Sunday)
Summary:
Quick Etiquette Review:
Regulation Checks:
All drivers should be in the lounge at least 5 minutes before the race start time. We will begin reviewing these rules at that time. Mics are disabled so it will take a little longer to get all the instructions out. Once the steward begins to type out the instructions please refrain from using the text chat unless you have an important question.
At the race start time we will begin regulation checks. You will be called by name to enter the lounge with the GT drivers entering first in starting order and then LMP cars after regs are updated. Do not enter the course until your name is called and do not exit to the lobby once you are entered.
Stay in the pits until the system places you on the starting grid and then we'll begin the formation lap procedures above.
Formation Laps:
GT cars will leave the grid in order of qualifying and run a single file formation lap at 80 mph (faster than normal formation). Basically the goal of this lap is just to get around fairly quickly and reform for formation Lap 2. At the same time the LMP cars will leave the grid and immediately pull to the right against the wall before turn 1.
The GT cars will finish lap 1, pass the parked LMP cars and start lap 2 of their formation lap. The GT class should proceed on formation lap 2 at 62 mph/100 kmh. The LMP cars will wait until the GT cars are all clear of Eau Rouge and then begin to form up in qualifying order and begin their own formation lap at 62 mph /100 kmh. The LMP cars should maintain about a 1 sector gap to the GT cars for most of the formation lap. The pole LMP car is responsible for setting a steady pace while allowing the group to keep together.
The GT cars will finish their 2nd formation lap and being the race on lap 3 *after* turn 1 heading down to Eau Rouge. The race will not start at the timing line, you must hold formation until after turn 1. The target start line is the "Total" sign going down the hill, but the lead car must wait until the last GT car has formed up after clearing Turn 1. At that point it's up to the lead GT car to accelerate to start the race and all other cars can speed up when the car in front of you does so.
The LMP cars will follow the same procedure and starting point, but the goal will be to time their start so that the lead GT cars are just getting into sector 3 when the LMP cars accelerate to race pace.
The 62 mph formation laps should be taken in staggered formation. The lead car will take the right side of the track. The second car should take to the left side of the track and alternate all the way back. This helps keep a tighter pack while maintaining better visibility versus single file. Cars should not "overlap" with the car in front of them. The lead car should let the pack "close rank" after the final chicane and again after turn 1 before the race starts.
Simulated Driver Change:
We want to practice the simulated driver change from both a drivers and stewards perspective in case there are any questions or issues before the main event on Sunday. We will follow the same procedure except the required stops will be much shorter and every driver must simulate the driver change on their first pit stop. The GT cars must "pause" for 30 seconds and the LMP cars must "pause" for 60 seconds. Any failure to pause will result in a double-time penalty. So if you fail to stop at all and were required to do so for 30 seconds you will have 60 seconds added to your finish time and lose any positions as a result. If you stop for only 25 our of the required 30 seconds you will incur a 5 x 2 = 10 second penalty.
Finish:
Between the extra formation lap and shorter pit pause the two classes should finish the race pretty closely. I'm not sure who will actually finish first, but all cars should have a fair chance to complete the race before the timer expires. We are not setting max finish delay to minimize racing for position between AI controlled cars.
Any questions? Now is the time!
Summary:
- All races will take place in GTP_3D3_A and mics will be disabled.
- The races will be set to 25 laps.
- The lounge will be open about 1 hour before the race begins -- watch thread for announcement.
- Be on time (at least 5 minutes early, but preferably 15).
- Regulation checks will begin promptly at race start time.
- There will be 2 formation laps for GT and 1 formation lap for LMP.
- The formation lap speed limit is 62 mph / 100 kph and a staggered two wide formation will be used.
- No tire warming procedures allowed during formation laps.
- Pits are open for the entire race and there is a required short pause in the pits to simulate a driver change.
- The race finish delay will be set to 130 seconds (2:10) which is the "average" lap time between the classes.
Quick Etiquette Review:
- GT drivers should be predictable and maintain their line when LMP cars are approaching/passing. Do not move over or slow.
- LMP cars need to be patient and go around GT cars.
- LMP cars cannot go outside track limits to pass GT cars. The one exception would be an evasive maneuver if the GT cars are slowed or recovering from an incident.
Regulation Checks:
All drivers should be in the lounge at least 5 minutes before the race start time. We will begin reviewing these rules at that time. Mics are disabled so it will take a little longer to get all the instructions out. Once the steward begins to type out the instructions please refrain from using the text chat unless you have an important question.
At the race start time we will begin regulation checks. You will be called by name to enter the lounge with the GT drivers entering first in starting order and then LMP cars after regs are updated. Do not enter the course until your name is called and do not exit to the lobby once you are entered.
Stay in the pits until the system places you on the starting grid and then we'll begin the formation lap procedures above.
Formation Laps:
GT cars will leave the grid in order of qualifying and run a single file formation lap at 80 mph (faster than normal formation). Basically the goal of this lap is just to get around fairly quickly and reform for formation Lap 2. At the same time the LMP cars will leave the grid and immediately pull to the right against the wall before turn 1.
The GT cars will finish lap 1, pass the parked LMP cars and start lap 2 of their formation lap. The GT class should proceed on formation lap 2 at 62 mph/100 kmh. The LMP cars will wait until the GT cars are all clear of Eau Rouge and then begin to form up in qualifying order and begin their own formation lap at 62 mph /100 kmh. The LMP cars should maintain about a 1 sector gap to the GT cars for most of the formation lap. The pole LMP car is responsible for setting a steady pace while allowing the group to keep together.
The GT cars will finish their 2nd formation lap and being the race on lap 3 *after* turn 1 heading down to Eau Rouge. The race will not start at the timing line, you must hold formation until after turn 1. The target start line is the "Total" sign going down the hill, but the lead car must wait until the last GT car has formed up after clearing Turn 1. At that point it's up to the lead GT car to accelerate to start the race and all other cars can speed up when the car in front of you does so.
The LMP cars will follow the same procedure and starting point, but the goal will be to time their start so that the lead GT cars are just getting into sector 3 when the LMP cars accelerate to race pace.
The 62 mph formation laps should be taken in staggered formation. The lead car will take the right side of the track. The second car should take to the left side of the track and alternate all the way back. This helps keep a tighter pack while maintaining better visibility versus single file. Cars should not "overlap" with the car in front of them. The lead car should let the pack "close rank" after the final chicane and again after turn 1 before the race starts.
Simulated Driver Change:
We want to practice the simulated driver change from both a drivers and stewards perspective in case there are any questions or issues before the main event on Sunday. We will follow the same procedure except the required stops will be much shorter and every driver must simulate the driver change on their first pit stop. The GT cars must "pause" for 30 seconds and the LMP cars must "pause" for 60 seconds. Any failure to pause will result in a double-time penalty. So if you fail to stop at all and were required to do so for 30 seconds you will have 60 seconds added to your finish time and lose any positions as a result. If you stop for only 25 our of the required 30 seconds you will incur a 5 x 2 = 10 second penalty.
Finish:
Between the extra formation lap and shorter pit pause the two classes should finish the race pretty closely. I'm not sure who will actually finish first, but all cars should have a fair chance to complete the race before the timer expires. We are not setting max finish delay to minimize racing for position between AI controlled cars.
Any questions? Now is the time!
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In the 3D3_Racing lounge for some early warmin' up.
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