GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 16 : A Rainbow of V-8's

[GTP_Plato]

New splits

T1 25.628
T2 24.256
T3 20.525

completely 🤬 up the last sector and only beat my overall time by a tenth when it should have been a lot more, have been faster in T1 and T3 though, just hope I can put them together

How are you guys braking for the corkscrew, and what you using as a brake marker, this corner is destroying my laps

Holland or Zoky, whats the secret

 

[Lyvan]

Are you guys using TCS?

 

[GTP_FastM3]

Not sure how much time I'm going to be able to dedicate to this weeks event which is a shame as I like the track. Another interesting anomaly is that the game has crashed twice in 10 minutes at the same point in the track (just before the line)...

Anyway, while it was working I managed 15 minutes of running...

26.248
24.823
21.143

Mine crashed twice on successive laps right at the last corner. I had loaded ghost replay both times. I stopped loading it after that and it never crashed again. Likely just a coincidence though

 

[GTP_FastM3]

It's your ghost car that's causing the crashing. I don't know why it does this but sometimes when you load a ghost lap to follow, it crashes when the ghost car crosses the line. I have had it do this to me a few times over the course of the WRS.

I guess I should have read a few more posts.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Are you guys using TCS?

I am not using it, it will probably bog the car down if you do use it as I find you have to drift a bit on certain corners anyway 👍

I am using ABS 1 and Active Steering strong

 

[Vagabond]

I am using ABS 1 and Active Steering strong

I'm finding active steering ruins my corner entry - car feels too heavy and wants to push wide....

 

[Gravitron]

If active steering makes me faster at the expense of fun, I'll turn it off. Haven't tried it here yet.

In the Elise though, when quite a few people were trying it, it made the driving experience un-fun (for me), so I got rid of it.

Also, TCS=0 and BB 5/5 still. Need to try different BB next session.

 

[GTP_FastM3]

I qualified for the WRS in March, but for one reason or another hadn't done any of the previous combos until this week. It's nice to be back in the fold. I had lots of A-spec to do and now that I'm pretty much done, except the last two championships and enduros I have more time for WRS.

I like this combo, but I'm likely making some small errors, judging by other posts.

So far I've been coming through the hairpin (Is it turn 1 and turn 2 together) controlled, but many people are talking about oversteer. Should I be trying to get the back end sliding around to gain some time here? Should I use this approach for the last turn as well?

I've been using BB 6F and 4R, but I've seen some with 6/8 and some with 6/6. Should I raise the rear to 6 as well or even go to higher. If it matters I use Club Sport pedals with GT3 wheel? Also I'm not sure what's the standard for listing brake balance is. I've always done F/R when giving numbers. Is that right?

For the turn before the uphill (not sure what to number this as I'm not sure if the hairpin is turn 1 and 2 or just turn 1). I've been dabbing the brakes just at the overhead banner and dropping it in to second then diving inside to hit the apex. How does that sound?

For the corner before the one above. I brake briefly and drop into 2nd and seem to be able to go around in the high 60's MPH.

From what I'm gathering I'm likely losing some time at the first and last corners by not sliding the rear around some. Maybe changing my BB up a bit can help with that.

 

[GTmaniac]

I'm finding active steering ruins my corner entry - car feels too heavy and wants to push wide....

Yes it does, that's why I'm using 6/9 BB, this allows to throw a car in oversteer while I'm entering a corner. Nice controled power slides...

 

[mcfizzle]

New Splits:

T1: 25.929
T2: 24.606
T3: 20.750

I had a lap 3 tenths up on this one and botched the corkscrew. I two more days of competition before I have to submitt for this week so we'll see what I can do.

 

[GTP_Plato]

I'm finding active steering ruins my corner entry - car feels too heavy and wants to push wide....

This sounds familiar to whats happening to me, I am always running wide and costing myself time. Maybe I will turn it off and give it a go 👍

I was just using it cause the big guns were, maybe it does come down to driver style and preference

@ Zoky, thanks for posting your bb settings, I will try these later when I get back on, now does anyone have a suggestion for a brake marker at the corkscrew, this corner has been killing me

 

[mcfizzle]

I get as far left as I can coming up the hill, start to drift right before the peak, and brake when I can start to see the rumble strip to the right. It works for me, don't know if it will help you or anyone else or not.

 

[GTP_Plato]

I get as far left as I can coming up the hill, start to drift right before the peak, and brake when I can start to see the rumble strip to the right. It works for me, don't know if it will help you or anyone else or not.

It all comes down to your exit speed in the turn before this, so I guess it varies for braking points cause I have been braking just before the rumble also, but it still ends up being a tad to late 💡

 

[mcfizzle]

You are probably right, as on my best lap I had my best exit on the turn before and I slid right through the corkscrew. Usually I don't have to worry about the speed you and the other top guys carry around the track though.

And I'm not racing right now to verify but I'm braking as soon as I see the white of the strip appear, not when I get close, in case I wasn't clear.👍

 

[GTP_Plato]

You are probably right, as on my best lap I had my best exit on the turn before and I slid right through the corkscrew. Usually I don't have to worry about the speed you and the other top guys carry around the track though.

I don't actually think I am taking the corner before the corkscrew correctly, I don't know if I should be keeping it in 3rd, or shifting down to 2nd then short shifting into 3rd. I think my exit speed is between 84 and 86 mph, but I am not sure if I am taking this corner wrong and compromising speed

 

[mcfizzle]

I keep it in third, everytime I tried downshifting I was bouncing of the rev limiter. My braking point for that one is I think the third brake marker on the right, the rumble strip narrows right before it. I get on the brakes probably 5 yards or less before the marker and when I hit it good my RPMs only drop to about 4300. That's not my best sector compared to other peoples splits but I also just figured out a different area where I need to drop to second gear and wasn't.

 

[Gravitron]

I qualified for the WRS in March, but for one reason or another hadn't done any of the previous combos until this week. It's nice to be back in the fold. I had lots of A-spec to do and now that I'm pretty much done, except the last two championships and enduros I have more time for WRS.

I like this combo, but I'm likely making some small errors, judging by other posts.

So far I've been coming through the hairpin (Is it turn 1 and turn 2 together) controlled, but many people are talking about oversteer. Should I be trying to get the back end sliding around to gain some time here? Should I use this approach for the last turn as well?

I've been using BB 6F and 4R, but I've seen some with 6/8 and some with 6/6. Should I raise the rear to 6 as well or even go to higher. If it matters I use Club Sport pedals with GT3 wheel? Also I'm not sure what's the standard for listing brake balance is. I've always done F/R when giving numbers. Is that right?

For the turn before the uphill (not sure what to number this as I'm not sure if the hairpin is turn 1 and 2 or just turn 1). I've been dabbing the brakes just at the overhead banner and dropping it in to second then diving inside to hit the apex. How does that sound?

For the corner before the one above. I brake briefly and drop into 2nd and seem to be able to go around in the high 60's MPH.

From what I'm gathering I'm likely losing some time at the first and last corners by not sliding the rear around some. Maybe changing my BB up a bit can help with that.

Welcome! Nice to have another D4 competitor. 👍

Yes, most people list BB values as F/R.

A higher rear BB value should allow the rear to start rotating a little earlier, during braking, which some driving styles and cars can benefit from.
I'm still using 5/5, as I haven't had enough time to experiment with that yet.

My T1 time is "only" .5sec off the top guy right now, and my turn1+turn2 is very controlled and slow-feeling in that replay.

Didn't answer all your questions, but some of them can only be answered by you, with trial-and-error. Or by reading comments by the 40-odd folks who are usually faster than me.

 

[Stotty]

Another quick go after work...

25.528
24.323
20.410

Over .5 up at the line, but still a fair bit to come I hope looking at Zoky and Dan's times.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Welcome! Nice to have another D4 competitor. 👍

Yes, most people list BB values as F/R.

A higher rear BB value should allow the rear to start rotating a little earlier, during braking, which some driving styles and cars can benefit from.
I'm still using 5/5, as I haven't had enough time to experiment with that yet.

My T1 time is "only" .5sec off the top guy right now, and my turn1+turn2 is very controlled and slow-feeling in that replay.

Didn't answer all your questions, but some of them can only be answered by you, with trial-and-error. Or by reading comments by the 40-odd folks who are usually faster than me.

For turn 1 I am braking at the number 4 marker in 3rd gear, I find in heavy muscle cars that don't like to stop the best thing to do is do most of your braking in a higher gear and then shift down to the desired gear mid turn, in this case being first. Then line up the car for smooth exit, and as you hit the apex shift into second gear.

Hope you understand what I mean, and hope this helps 👍

 

[Gravitron]

Hmm, I've been trying to get down in the gears sooner, as I thought the engine braking would help me stop faster, but maybe I should try your suggestion...

 

[markyboy92]

Just had another attempt, 0.4 faster at the end, still a fair bit to come earlier in the lap i feel, changing GTP name to GTP_Markyboy now, as i cant retreive my old GTP account.
25.645
24.263
20.698

 

[EDK]

Hmm, I've been trying to get down in the gears sooner, as I thought the engine braking would help me stop faster, but maybe I should try your suggestion...

If you shift down too quickly, it just stays up at the limiter until you get below the limiter speed for that gear, and the engine doesn't help with slowing you down. This will almost always cause you to run deep. Because the gears are so long in PD's version of this car, you have to wait a little longer to make sure you're below the rev limiter speeds for each gear before making your downshift.

Optimally, you want your upshifts and your downshifts to happen at about the same speed. Depending on the car and combo, sometimes a little blip of the throttle while moving down through the gears can also help stabilize the car and slow you down more quickly.

 

[GTP_Plato]

If you shift down too quickly, it just stays up at the limiter until you get below the limiter speed for that gear, and the engine doesn't help with slowing you down. This will almost always cause you to run deep. Because the gears are so long in PD's version of this car, you have to wait a little longer to make sure you're below the rev limiter speeds for each gear before making your downshift.

Optimally, you want your upshifts and your downshifts to happen at about the same speed. Depending on the car and combo, sometimes a little blip of the throttle while moving down through the gears can also help stabilize the car and slow you down more quickly.

Thanks, this saves me trying to work out how I was going to explain it. Your explanation sounds pretty good to me 👍

 

[GTP_FastM3]

Ran a further session, using 6/6 BB NO ACTIVE STEERING, its not fast with this car, you need the car to oversteer, particular at the 1st corner under braking, using 1st gear to help get the car to rotate as you release the brake, 2nd obviously when exiting. Same deal at the corkscrew, the car will almost snap at a particular speed in 1st gear and you need to use this technique to be able to brake later and drift initially upon entering the apex, and changing to 2nd to control the car. Last corner aswell, brake late, create oversteer, exit smooth:tup:

25.472
24.172
20.251

and a well timed last sector, this car too a while to understand.

corner after T3 requires no braking, but an immediate downshift to 2nd, at roughly 136-137 km/h to help arrest the car to 120-122 for the left, and same technique for the right except a slight tap of the brakes, you can power slide this right hander but its risky.

Should we be trying to get the back end loose and drift a little or do you mean more subtle oversteer?

Which corner are you referring to for corner after T3? I initially thought you were talking about turn 3 and the next corner, but your description sounds like the two corners after the corkscrew. Am I correct to assume you mean the end of the 3rd sector

 

[redreevos]

Great splits red, looks like somebody means business this week

Surely we will be seeing you in D1 in the next set of promotions

Great job, keep up the good work 👍

Thank you Plato. Some mighty kind words from someone as fast as yourself.

Indeed. A great competitor Rees.

I'm now fed up with dismantling my G25 pedals once or twice a week to spray them with contact cleaner - they work ok for anything between a few hours and a few days, then flickering brakes and only 99% throttle when I'm flat-out. My wonderful missus has given the green light to Clubsport pedals so ordering them today. Awesome.

Thanks mate for the compliment. I do enjoy our battles

Well the cleaner got you by for a bit. I am looking forward to hearing your review on the club sport pedals. I have heard that those are shipping quicker than before. I hope you get them soon, as I enjoy competing with you.👍

Division 2

Thank you Small.. I feel like I have achieved some good improvement since the initial qualifier. It has been a real eye opener seeing the times you Aliens put up every week. I am enjoying my early in the week position, but I am sure I will start dropping precipitously once all of you guys get more time at the track.

New splits

T1 25.628
T2 24.256
T3 20.525

How are you guys braking for the corkscrew, and what you using as a brake marker, this corner is destroying my laps

Holland or Zoky, whats the secret

Great splits Plato. I had a rough finish on my splits, so I have more work to do as well.

As for the corkscrew.. It is tough because I am inconsistent with the turn that leads up the hill. Therefore I am at slightly different speeds when entering the corkscrew brake area.

There does seem to be a good mark on the concrete at the braking area. You will notice before you crest the hill that the pavement gets darker on the right side of the track. That line where the darker pavement starts is pretty close to the braking point for me. From there I am full brake until I trail at the end(2nd gear) as I start to cut down for the corkscrew. Last second I pop it into first and try and get the car to slide a bit. Put it back in second and accelerate out of the corkscrew.

I am definitely no Holland or Zoky.. but hopefully that helps until they tell us the proper way to do it

 

[millross]

25.990
24.435
20.656

Better lap with fewer mistakes. T1 could be a bit better though.

Still want to get in the 1'10s

 

[GTP_Plato]

@ redreevos

Same here, I lost close to half a second in the final sector only to see my ghost follow me in, didn't even take off a tenth, very frustrating but I will be giving it another run later on.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Slowly Improving my times ,Oh and I think My GTP account just got killed as looks like my e-mail got deleted 🤬

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[chukabilly]

Too bad about your GTP account, and I love that picture.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Better lap with fewer mistakes. T1 could be a bit better though.

Still want to get in the 1'10s

Going very nicely this week Matt 👍

As for the corkscrew.. It is tough because I am inconsistent with the turn that leads up the hill. Therefore I am at slightly different speeds when entering the corkscrew brake area.

There does seem to be a good mark on the concrete at the braking area. You will notice before you crest the hill that the pavement gets darker on the right side of the track. That line where the darker pavement starts is pretty close to the braking point for me. From there I am full brake until I trail at the end(2nd gear) as I start to cut down for the corkscrew. Last second I pop it into first and try and get the car to slide a bit. Put it back in second and accelerate out of the corkscrew.

Hey Rees, great to see you back in action this week and in such fine form. For what it's worth that's how I'm taking the corkscrew as well, but I brake around the start of the rumble on the right. However, entry speed into that turn is so dependent on speed through the preceding corner as you say. Was disappointed to blow it on my best lap and lose 4 tenths