GTP_WRS New Drivers and Promotions

[NoirAntares]

Clever, but I'm not missing pace bro and given everyone likely has a two month headstart on me for the grind... one wrong TT does not lack of pace make.

Ssshhh, no one knows that! We're supposed to make you look slow lol

 

[Storm_SP17]

Ssshhh, no one knows that! We're supposed to make you look slow lol

But that's sandbagging! We can't do that!

 

[NoirAntares]

But that's sandbagging! We can't do that!

You can't call it that if you accidentally dropped the ball in week 8 lol

 

[Storm_SP17]

You can't call it that if you accidentally dropped the ball in week 8 lol

Nah true. Mind you, Week 9 was a drop of the ball losing those 2 tenths in Spoon. Week 8 was a grievously poor decision!

 

[EDK]

Question:

Is that to represent my Rookie rank at the stage where I had only done those 2 events?

edit - so I've worked out that the r= AND the score is averaged out:
2.108 - Week 7 (0.010)
3.057 - Week 8 (0.455)
1.781 - Week 9 (-0.566)

that gives me 2.315333 + 0.03367 (because r= -0.03367 & subtracting a negative gives a positive.) which makes the 2.349 correct.

It's one of those things, where on the weeks with sub 1 minute laps times, a few tenths makes a HUGE difference in Handicap. If you were just 3 tenths faster, you likely would have been placed in D2 gold.

That's part of the point of spreading it across 3 events, so that you are placed on a variety of events without us being chained to qualifiers for which time cutoffs have to be adjusted with game updates.

Some drivers might choose to procure their events to those which suit them, but if you just run consecutively like you did, I would simply view it as an accurate representation of your ability in those three events.

Unless, of course, you are saying you did not try hard enough in week 8. That would be sandbagging.

 

[Vaxen]

edit - so I've worked out that the r= AND the score is averaged out:
2.108 - Week 7 (0.010)
3.057 - Week 8 (0.455)
1.781 - Week 9 (-0.566)

that gives me 2.315333 + 0.03367 (because r= -0.03367 & subtracting a negative gives a positive.) which makes the 2.349 correct.

That's correct.

 

[Storm_SP17]

It's one of those things, where on the weeks with sub 1 minute laps times, a few tenths makes a HUGE difference in Handicap. If you were just 3 tenths faster, you likely would have been placed in D2 gold.

That's part of the point of spreading it across 3 events, so that you are placed on a variety of events without us being chained to qualifiers for which time cutoffs have to be adjusted with game updates.

Some drivers might choose to procure their events to those which suit them, but if you just run consecutively like you did, I would simply view it as an accurate representation of your ability in those three events.

Unless, of course, you are saying you did not try hard enough in week 8. That would be sandbagging.

Week 8 was a bad combination; Sports Tyres and no Tuning is something I need to work on alongside the TT weeks, but not actually submit. I should have really retracted my time...

Funnily enough, the "sandbag" week was in week 7! Worked hard to get where I wanted to get for S3 and stubbornly wouldn't attempt S4 until I went quicker than what I submitted to S3... meant I didn't get the proper practice of S4 until fighting for my 2nd Place finish on the Wednesday after the TT results...

 

[_r_p_m_]

Why would you run but not submit?

 

[NoirAntares]

Why would you run but not submit?

Wasted potential and handicap dump.

 

[_r_p_m_]

So for example, get to D1 gold and then never enter an event again unless you're top 5. That sort of thing?

Doesn't seem right to me but hey ho. I'm just using this to benchmark myself against the best.

Do you win anything?

 

[Mini Stiggy]

Why would you run but not submit?

So for example, get to D1 gold and then never enter an event again unless you're top 5. That sort of thing?

Doesn't seem right to me but hey ho. I'm just using this to benchmark myself against the best.

Do you win anything?

Once you're placed, you can't derank. But if you're still a rookie, someone might avoid a certain combo because it would negatively effect their placement handicap.

 

[Kelly]

Hello Vaxen, Please remove Ron from the GTS Divisional rankings page as he doesn't have the ability to take part anymore and doesn't want people to think he is just being picky about combo's

Thanks 👍

 

[Argon]

Hello Vaxen, Please remove Ron from the GTS Divisional rankings page as he doesn't have the ability to take part anymore and doesn't want people to think he is just being picky about combo's

Thanks 👍

Sad times Kelly, tell the old bugger I said hello and I hope that we will still see you from time to time. I miss the close competition with you back in GT5/6 days even though my participation was shorter than I would have liked.

 

[_r_p_m_]

Once you're placed, you can't derank. But if you're still a rookie, someone might avoid a certain combo because it would negatively effect their placement handicap.

Ah ok. That makes more sense

 

[Kelly]

Thanks Argon and the old bugger says thanks too

 

[Argon]

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[Storm_SP17]

So for example, get to D1 gold and then never enter an event again unless you're top 5. That sort of thing?

Doesn't seem right to me but hey ho. I'm just using this to benchmark myself against the best.

Do you win anything?

That initial phase of getting rank is the most important, because after you get that the improvement grind begins.

With the way the calcs are done, moving 0.333 takes more effort the closer you get to the handicap you actually score in the TT. Once you rank higher than your TT scores each week, you don't lose points, but you only gain 0.00001 or something crazy small.

I essentially threw on 3 TTs to get ranked because myself and the guys in GEA didn't know the date for the team series starting soon at that particular time.

The TL;DR version - first 3 events as a rookie should be your strongest, because improving rank takes a loooooong time.

 

[NoirAntares]

Ah ok. That makes more sense

Basically we were aiming to get everyone at GEA besides Stigs to get representative placements right off the bat in preparation for the Teams Championship

 

[StigsTC]

Basically we were aiming to get everyone at GEA besides Stigs to get representative placements right off the bat in preparation for the Teams Championship

So you are telling me that my 0.8 is sandbagged or that my 0.8 is in fact, above my ability?
Because damn straight its above my ability!
But yes, we wanted to make sure guys had handicaps that were accurate to their pace ahead of the Team Time Trial so we didn't break everything with event scores of -0.7 every week because we'd rushed the ranking with poorer results. For the most part its gone well.

 

[Special_K]

It's one of those things, where on the weeks with sub 1 minute laps times, a few tenths makes a HUGE difference in Handicap. If you were just 3 tenths faster, you likely would have been placed in D2 gold.

That's part of the point of spreading it across 3 events, so that you are placed on a variety of events without us being chained to qualifiers for which time cutoffs have to be adjusted with game updates.

Some drivers might choose to procure their events to those which suit them, but if you just run consecutively like you did, I would simply view it as an accurate representation of your ability in those three events.

Unless, of course, you are saying you did not try hard enough in week 8. That would be sandbagging.

I made the terrible mistake in week 5 of shifting gears which cost me dearly, I was .2 off the pace only to be .8 down in the final results. Would that have made a big difference in division placement for me?

I remember trying it after the deadline in the right gear just for a couple of laps and beat my best by a few tenths

 

[StigsTC]

I made the terrible mistake in week 5 of shifting gears which cost me dearly, I was .2 off the pace only to be .8 down in the final results. Would that have made a big difference in division placement for me?

I remember trying it after the deadline in the right gear just for a couple of laps and beat my best by a few tenths

Depends what the gap was with the new S4 you had run, based on the results you could have been anywhere from 0.2-0.4 better off for your event result, which would have got you at most 0.150 improve on your rookie placement. So you'd still be D1S, just closer to D1G at about 1.5-1.6 instead of 1.656. Everything just about always affects your handicap, but the rank takes more time to move through the brackets.

 

[NoirAntares]

So you are telling me that my 0.8 is sandbagged or that my 0.8 is in fact, above my ability?
Because damn straight its above my ability!
But yes, we wanted to make sure guys had handicaps that were accurate to their pace ahead of the Team Time Trial so we didn't break everything with event scores of -0.7 every week because we'd rushed the ranking with poorer results. For the most part its gone well.

You'll be under 1.000 anyway so you're pretty much a given. Unlike the rest of us whose representative handicaps in WRS were complete unknowns before they got their rookie placements

 

[EDK]

I made the terrible mistake in week 5 of shifting gears which cost me dearly, I was .2 off the pace only to be .8 down in the final results. Would that have made a big difference in division placement for me?

I remember trying it after the deadline in the right gear just for a couple of laps and beat my best by a few tenths

Doesn't really look like it to me, you did not have an event placement that was better than the D1 Silver you ended up in.

That event looks pretty representative to me, maybe you would have picked up from the 1.7's into the 1.5's, at best. But you would have still been in the same class/division.

A 90 second lap is quite a bit different from one in the high 40's with respect to the difference a few tenths make on your handicap. I've just observed that over time, but it does make sense that as the field is compressed due to lap time, it magnifies the impact of a particular gap.

 

[steven]

Hello Vaxen, Please remove Ron from the GTS Divisional rankings page as he doesn't have the ability to take part anymore and doesn't want people to think he is just being picky about combo's

Thanks 👍

Eh are you saying that Ron, who has partaken in WRS since day one, is retiring from our beloved forum? I hope it is nothing physical (or mental ) and permanent that is causing this absence ;(

Oh and BTW who calls himself old?

 

[Kelly]

Eh are you saying that Ron, who has partaken in WRS since day one, is retiring from our beloved forum? I hope it is nothing physical (or mental ) and permanent that is causing this absence ;(

Oh and BTW who calls himself old?

Ron is not retired and he is still in good health Steven, Thanks! It is permanent though as his account has been terminated by a moderator with a no nonsense approach to people who have a passion for the game and sometimes express opinions that some may not like. It was either see it the mods way or the highway and the highway is where his account went.

He was looking forward to the 15th anniversary but hopes you all have a great event anyway 👍 I will be taking part if this post doesn't see me out the door also

 

[Vaxen]

-------------- promotions -----------------
Argon56 (@Argon) D2 Silver -> D2 Gold (2.30425)
----------- rookie placement --------------
GTP_Airsick (@Airsick) -> D3 Gold (3.26651)
BigDawg_1281 (@BigDawg_1281) -> D2 Bronze (2.75686)
SOFIA_SPEED (@Sofia Speed) -> D3 Bronze (3.69196)

 

[Never2fast1]

Congrats Mike on the promotion.

Congrats on placements rookies.👍

 

[RuddRacer]

Congrats Mike on the promotion.

Congrats on placements rookies.👍

Ditto that!

 

[Argon]

Congrats Mike on the promotion.

Congrats on placements rookies.👍

Ditto that!

Thanks guys, much appreciated and can I add my congrats to the new division placements

 

[BigDawg_1281]

Thanks guys, much appreciated and can I add my congrats to the new division placements

Congrats on the promotion Mike!

I don't know if I can live up to Division 2. "I will do my best"