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[WRP001]

I read a post by praiano shortly after the last update referencing this same thing with regards to tuning after 2.08. He was talking specifically about offline physics where the car feels dead, but noted it doesn't apply online:

Need to tune ONLINE first. Here everything is more reactive and every change have a consequence. When you're ONLINE OK, then you can be 100% sure it will work OFFLINE. Not the opposit. OFFLINE tuning is blind and dead. No life there.

Hahahaha don't worry, i just wanted to say that it's more difficult to feel the car OFFLINE, that's all. Try to tune ONLINE first, you'll see.

But maybe as Kevin said, it's about looking for new ways to impact the car offline where the old methods no longer have the same impact.

 

[Cats_PJs]

Good input guys, I think I'm going to skip this week and just tune a few cars to get a feel for it again.

Definitely agree with praiano about the blind and dead feeling offline, will have to try his method.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Go Tigers!

 

[WRP001]

Go Tigers!

Not looking good for the Tigers thanks to "Panda Power".

 

[millross]

Attention: Fanatec wheel users.

I flashed Firmware 750b using the new driver version (1.42) to my CSR and it made a massive difference to Forza Horizon. It feels a lot better. By a lot better I mean - I got 42nd place in a rivals event and lopped seconds (not tenths, whole seconds) off previous lap times within an hour of racing once I'd got a rotation feel I was happy with. My assumption is that Forza 4 will take on the vast majority of the same characteristics, Horizon is a slightly diluted form of that physics engine.

I have yet to test with GT5 and will post any opinion when I get a chance to have a go, but if you're a Forza racer who has previously found the Fanatec wheels frustrating (I sold the game as it was uncontrollable/unplayable in some cars, IMHO) then I recommend trying it. It's fairly involved though so I wouldn't attempt it unless you're confident in all the steps.

Matt

 

[GTP_Plato]

Attention: Fanatec wheel users.

I flashed Firmware 750b using the new driver version (1.42) to my CSR and it made a massive difference to Forza Horizon. It feels a lot better. By a lot better I mean - I got 42nd place in a rivals event and lopped seconds (not tenths, whole seconds) off previous lap times within an hour of racing once I'd got a rotation feel I was happy with.

I have yet to test with GT5 and will post any opinion when I get a chance to have a go, but if you're a Forza racer who has previously found the Fanatec wheels frustrating (I sold the game as it was unplayable, IMHO) then I recommend trying it. It's fairly involved though so I wouldn't attempt it unless you're confident in all the steps.

Matt

I had the latest 750b firmware on until the other day then went back to 737 to see which felt better after having played on 750b for a while, I think I will go back to 750b soon as it has better navigation through the wheel menu (alot faster).

I told Chris and blair a while ago and I think they are both using it now. I tried forza 4 with 750 last week and it was still terrible, at least they fixed the issue for horizon but that game isn't to my tastes. They have gone down the NFS/TDU route with that game which is fine as it's not part of the original Forza series. I did try the demo but it reminds me of need for speed pro street.

 

[millross]

I had the latest 750b firmware on until the other day then went back to 737 to see which felt better after having played on 750b for a while, I think I will go back to 750b soon as it has better navigation through the wheel menu (alot faster).

I told Chris and blair a while ago and I think they are both using it now. I tried forza 4 with 750 last week and it was still terrible, at least they fixed the issue for horizon but that game isn't to my tastes. They have gone down the NFS/TDU route with that game which is fine as it's not part of the original Forza series. I did try the demo but it reminds me of need for speed pro street.

One thing I found with Horizon is that I get the "fast turn" wheel glitch (as if it's not recognized as 900 degree) if I don't turn the XBox on using the Xbox button on my wheel - if i turn it on with the on switch, then start the wheel - get uncontrollable madness. So it's not totally right

Wish I had F4 to see if the same thing happens with that!

 

[GTPorsche]

Not sure any new firmware updates do anything for my wheel considering it's the Carrera model and doesn't seem to be supported by any updates beyond FW 681.

 

[Racingworld68]

Don't know where I should post this, but my heart goes out to everybody who has been or still will be a 'victim' of Sandy. I was up all night watchin' CNN and was shocked by this devastating freak of nature.

 

[ConRollins]

Well I seem to be getting slower and slower as measured against my peers lately. I think it may be my wheel and pedal set as I have been cobbling it together from several others as it needs it. The pedals are cracked and the gas pedal is only half there. The brake was sticking with a little red showing for awhile so I cleaned it with electronics cleaner and that seems to have fixed it. But I still can't seem to muster up any decent lap times. I have an old Driving Force Pro (I know, antique huh?) wheel and pedal set that seems to give very little feedback feel and the pedals are more or less mush.

So....I have decided to purchase a Logitech g27 as a Christmas gift for myself.

I have read about the Nixim spring mods and a larger brake pedal for the unit. Is anyone using these mods, and if so do they really amount to anything as far as making you go faster with this unit?

As far as that is concerned, has anyone went from the Driving Force Pro to either the G27 or G25 and improved their times? I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts.

 

[robiker]

A few months ago, I was doing quite a bit of racing on another forum with no ABS allowed. I also had an iRacing account (no ABS on their cars). I bought a GTEYE spring (similar to NIXIM) and it helped give the pedal some feel, and helped prevent brake lockup. Now that I'm only racing in GT5 with ABS, I don't think it makes any difference.
I think you will love your G27 - excellent quality for the price.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Ron, I did the same switch 18 months ago. Not sure I'm any faster necessarily, but I'm more consistent and therefore better able to reach my potential. Throttle and brake control is much improved as well.

Scott (GTP_Mcfizzle) used the Nnixim mod for a long time and was a big fan

 

[Cats_PJs]

Con, I went from a dfgt to a g27 a couple months ago, and I have finally begun to lower my handicap.

I wasn't having any issues with my pedals but the g27 pedals are still more accurate and have a more gradual application curve. Haven't tried any mods, but I don't think they improve performance, just the feel, although I'm sure Scott (mcfizzle) would probably disagree.

I also found that along with being smoother and more quiet, the wheel also seems more accurate. That might be due to the 3/4 inch of up and down play I had in mine though.

I do miss the button layout on the dfgt but that's pretty minor.

The g27 is definitely worth the money, I'm sure you'll love it, and the brake mods would just be icing on the cake.

 

[ConRollins]

Thanks for the input guys. It may be the answer or it may be the severe lack of seat time lately. The change to a better wheel may get me in the seat a little more, but the doc says only on weekends. Hey, if he doesn't know I sneak an hour here or there during the week, it can't hurt huh.

Again thanks for the input, I can't wait to get the new system home and hooked up.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

It's definitely the right way to go Ron, and it'll feel like a new game and provide another step in immersion.

One of the GTP staff did a similar switch I think back in the GT5P days and documented the transition and his progress back to full speed (and faster). Run a familiar combo just before you change to establish a baseline, and then run the new wheel with the same combo until you can match the lap time.

 

[GTPorsche]

My recent decline in performance is probably due to my pedals as well. It's hard to go all out when your gas pedal won't let you do so.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

I have that issue as well. Gas pedal won't shut off completely

 

[ConRollins]

My recent decline in performance is probably due to my pedals as well. It's hard to go all out when your gas pedal won't let you do so.

I hear you there. I put a hole in my pedal base trying to mash the gas harder! I have since modified my pedal area to have support on the bottom to beef it up. Now I just crack the plastic pedal!

 

[ConRollins]

I have that issue as well. Gas pedal won't shut off completely

Maybe needs a little electronic cleaner?

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Definitely, just a case of finding the time. WRS events at Monaco and the 'Ring aren't helping though in that regard

 

[Windy_1238]

Well I seem to be getting slower and slower as measured against my peers lately. I think it may be my wheel and pedal set as I have been cobbling it together from several others as it needs it. The pedals are cracked and the gas pedal is only half there. The brake was sticking with a little red showing for awhile so I cleaned it with electronics cleaner and that seems to have fixed it. But I still can't seem to muster up any decent lap times. I have an old Driving Force Pro (I know, antique huh?) wheel and pedal set that seems to give very little feedback feel and the pedals are more or less mush.

So....I have decided to purchase a Logitech g27 as a Christmas gift for myself.

I have read about the Nixim spring mods and a larger brake pedal for the unit. Is anyone using these mods, and if so do they really amount to anything as far as making you go faster with this unit?

As far as that is concerned, has anyone went from the Driving Force Pro to either the G27 or G25 and improved their times? I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts.

I used the Nixim mod when I was using the G25 (before the 2nd wheel broke!) And it didn't seem to improve anything for me. When I took it out my times were about the same, just had to learn how to use the brake properly.

 

[mcfizzle]

So....I have decided to purchase a Logitech g27 as a Christmas gift for myself.

I have read about the Nixim spring mods and a larger brake pedal for the unit. Is anyone using these mods, and if so do they really amount to anything as far as making you go faster with this unit?

As far as that is concerned, has anyone went from the Driving Force Pro to either the G27 or G25 and improved their times? I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts.

I went from DFP to G27 in August 2011 and I felt that my performance really started to improve from that point on. The feel the brakes gave me helped with overall speed and consistency. As Jon said I used the Nixim V2 mod and I was a big fan. It brings the pedals a lot closer to the quality of the high end stuff but for very little cost. With the mod you use muscle memory instead of positional memory and pressure helps determine the amount of brake versus only distance. For me this makes it easier to duplicate lap after lap. I never found the need for the large brake pedal so never looked into trying it.

It's hard to say if you would get faster though. Some people are fast no matter what they use, Wes, and other people like me need the feedback the from more expensive equipment to have what little speed we have.

 

[Hydro]

It's hard to say if you would get faster though. Some people are fast no matter what they use, Wes, and other people like me need the feedback the from more expensive equipment to have what little speed we have.

I can't think of a controller on the market that Wes hasn't used in the past year and he's crazy fast with all of them
I think he lapped me once in a race using a broken ps2 controller.

 

[GTPorsche]

Given some time to re-adjust to the controller, I could probably go faster.

It wouldn't be as fun though.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

I can't think of a controller on the market that Wes hasn't used in the past year and he's crazy fast with all of them
I think he lapped me once in a race using a broken ps2 controller.

brilliant!

 

[ConRollins]

brilliant!

Not just brilliant, but one of the biggest chuckles I have had on any of these forums! Thanks Marc.

I used the Nixim mod when I was using the G25 (before the 2nd wheel broke!) And it didn't seem to improve anything for me. When I took it out my times were about the same, just had to learn how to use the brake properly.

Is that why you have the 500? Kept breaking the Logitechs?

I went from DFP to G27 in August 2011 and I felt that my performance really started to improve from that point on. The feel the brakes gave me helped with overall speed and consistency. As Jon said I used the Nixim V2 mod and I was a big fan. It brings the pedals a lot closer to the quality of the high end stuff but for very little cost. With the mod you use muscle memory instead of positional memory and pressure helps determine the amount of brake versus only distance. For me this makes it easier to duplicate lap after lap. I never found the need for the large brake pedal so never looked into trying it.

It's hard to say if you would get faster though. Some people are fast no matter what they use, Wes, and other people like me need the feedback the from more expensive equipment to have what little speed we have.

The thing about the big brake pedal is that it removes the clutch and uses both springs and pots as the brake. Not sure how that works in GT5 as there doesn't seem to be anywere to assign the pedals with different functions. I think it may only be applicable in PC games like iRacing?

Thanks for humor and input guys. It has really been a boost to my spirit and again just shows the kind of sharing community we are a part of. Very much appreciated.👍

 

[Windy_1238]

Not just brilliant, but one of the biggest chuckles I have had on any of these forums! Thanks Marc.



Is that why you have the 500? Kept breaking the Logitechs?



The thing about the big brake pedal is that it removes the clutch and uses both springs and pots as the brake. Not sure how that works in GT5 as there doesn't seem to be anywere to assign the pedals with different functions. I think it may only be applicable in PC games like iRacing?

Thanks for humor and input guys. It has really been a boost to my spirit and again just shows the kind of sharing community we are a part of. Very much appreciated.👍

That's exactly why I bought a 500! Darn plastic parts on the G25 don't hold up under my driving.

 

[ConRollins]

That's exactly why I bought a 500! Darn plastic parts on the G25 don't hold up under my driving.

I thought so. I really have to watch my driving style to keep from breaking things. I have pulled the steering wheel off my mount, I pulled it so hard once it broke the plastic screws so I removed them and actually bolted the unit down to the mount. I already mentioned putting my foot thrught the pedal base. Come to think of it, that may be my biggest problem: concentrating on saving the equipment instead of the actual driving

 

[LeftyWright69]

I don't know if any of my experiences add anything to the decrese in the destruction of good Logitec equipment but here's my two cents after I get done laughing at imagining Con pushing his foot through the plastic floor board, thats only supose to happen in real life dealing w/ steel floor pans, anyway I always try to deal w/ the equipment verry lightly. Soft peddle presure and never burry the wheel to the locks. I verry rarely move the wheel more then between 9 & 3 and I'm using a DFGT (900 deg lock to lock) Though I have "J hopped" the whole driving rig by trying to make a switch back and broke my rig in half

 

[ConRollins]

Ok, so according to the rules on every event I have participated in, "The use of the clutch that is found on the G25, G27, and other high end racing wheels is strictly prohibited." So that must mean that you can use the clutch to shift gears in GT5? I saw an article where you can put a larger brake pedal that uses the brake and the clutch as one large brake.

Does anyone know if this would work as one brake in GT5 or would it actually only brake and clutch at the same time making every run illegal?