GTP_WRS Week 24 : The Alpines' Alpine
- Thread starter EDK
- 313 comments
- 15,723 views
- 2,200
- montreal,canada
- GTP_Mike_Peperni / Mike_Peperni
You didn't imply anything.I'm still a bit on the mend over here, was running a fever for a week. So I'm probably just acting a little odd.
I just made a silly post that made it seem as though I was confused by the last turn, when it's more a function of consistency. Since you shared your approach, I thought I would share mine. Those of us who have been around since the Prologue days have a slight advantage at this track, and I think some people who have fast splits are going to be caught out by how much time can be lost in the final corner.
Only trying to help. 👍
happened to me last time i ran this track, it was with the Lexus ISF i lost 3 tenths in the last sector and lost 3 places
its the first thing i was thinking when i seen this week combo
- 3,094
- USA
- ItsAllAboutWins
I've been trying every day this week for 1-2 hours a day and I just cannot get a good T1. I've tried different lines, different gears, different b/b's, different sensitivities, and followed Ron's line/gearing. If i stay in 2nd for the last bit, I scrub off to much speed, if I quick shift to 3rd, i don't have enough torque to get out of the 2nd to last corner. If I switch to 3rd right before the final corner, I get passed by my ghost every time. I just don't understand it.
My apologies if I sound like I'm complaining, but I just don't get it. Is it the extra turning radius that wheels have that make those times possible? It seems like it would scrub off speed more and slow you all down. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears (or eyes)
My apologies if I sound like I'm complaining, but I just don't get it. Is it the extra turning radius that wheels have that make those times possible? It seems like it would scrub off speed more and slow you all down. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears (or eyes)
- 21,261
- United States
They're not functioning right now, but it's http://wrs.gtplanet.net/computer croaked ...this is "one from the basement " (the one SWMBO described as that junk computer you will never use again) Need link to Leader boards.
Ran more laps with the combo. Tested ABS to see if I was losing any time and I didn't notice any difference between having it on and off, so I just left it off as that's what I had started with anyway. I just can't go flying into the penultimate turn with the brakes applied hard.
Gained roughly .2 overall. Had a lap where I was up .4 and locked the brakes up at the above mentioned spot on the track.
33.676
58.210
- 414
- up north
- Jonjig
- 2,200
- montreal,canada
- GTP_Mike_Peperni / Mike_Peperni
i dont turn the wheel completly i doubt it is the problem, sometimes i do a quick downshift to 1st close to apexes in the first 2 hairpins to help rotate but my best t1 is with 2nd gear for all apexes in t1, definatly keep 2nd gear in the Last downhill part.
at 3rd apex you want to run as tight as possible inside and accelerate a little on exit dont go too far on right you slightly trailbrake and you will feel the car lose rear grip, i gradualy go back into throttle as the car reach the left apex going downhill i dont cut that left apex but cut the last curb on right.
i did some, 850s cutting slightly the left apex but its tricky on exit if you accelerate too soon you might end too far on outside or spin out if you accelerate too quickly, acceleration gradualy seem the most effective way there.
- 16,271
- Boise, ID
- GTP_EDK
The track is cambered, and you need to get the car into "the groove" in order to be fast. That's especially true for the last 2 corners of T1. You want to nearly hook the front tire in behind the edge of the pavement, and when you get it right, you will feel it.
I do think the smoothness and consistency of line you can establish with a wheel may provide an advantage here. It's not really about max steering angle, it's about correct steering angle.
The other thing about the last corner of T1 is you have to perfectly time EVERYTHING about it, your braking, turn in point, line, throttle on point, and shift point. And again, when you get it right, it just feels right, and easy. But if you over-drive it, are too aggressive, it will bite you, especially with this car and tire setup.
- 2,263
- Vancouver
- mr_lab_rat
Datalogger can show steering angle. Maybe one of the aliens can post a screen shot or at least write the maximum angle for the first 4 turns.
My best T1 is 33.200 so losing about 0.1 in each turn to aliens seems about right. But I got a wheel
My best T1 is 33.200 so losing about 0.1 in each turn to aliens seems about right. But I got a wheel
- 3,094
- USA
- ItsAllAboutWins
- 11,207
- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
I'm having the same feeling as you Brandon and I'm on a wheel. Having the same difficulties as you. I'm going to give it another try using @EDK 's advice. Just gotta keep trying, that's all we can do.
- 2,200
- montreal,canada
- GTP_Mike_Peperni / Mike_Peperni
im formating my pc right now to see if it fix my problem with connection, i might be able to post a vid of my t1 its slightly different than Ron might give a slightly different perspective. i have vid from behind the car and a vid of bonnet cam wich one you would prefer?
- 3,094
- USA
- ItsAllAboutWins
- 16,271
- Boise, ID
- GTP_EDK
We're working on it.
It required a server reset last night, and we're having the same problem again. Issue is that right now, one guy has the key for the server, and he's not signed on since the issue came up. We're working to rectify that part as well, making it so more folks can help support as needed.
- 3,094
- USA
- ItsAllAboutWins
I followed their advice and improved instantly once i figured out what they meant. I'm also applying a small amount of gas when braking at the last corner of t1 to keep the rear in check
- 11,207
- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
Ok, thanks Brandon, currently giving it another shot now. Any advice on the horseshoe, curve before the bridge. I've tried keeping it tight, letting it drift wide....nothing seems to be working. Also, coming out of the bridge, seem to be losing a good amount of time in those bends also.
- 2,263
- Vancouver
- mr_lab_rat
I tried to double apex the horseshoe but I think that only works for faster cars. Now I just keep it tight including the entry.
I can do 24.3-24.4 sector with that but the sector time is probably not good indication as it really depends on the exit from the last turn of s1.
I can do 24.3-24.4 sector with that but the sector time is probably not good indication as it really depends on the exit from the last turn of s1.
- 11,207
- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
Alright, thanks my fellow 'rat.
Will stick to that approach until someone comes up with a proven, faster way. 
- 2,200
- montreal,canada
- GTP_Mike_Peperni / Mike_Peperni
im posting with my phone i hope it will work, heres a video of t1 of my current lap with hood view, you can notice a moment at some hairpin where i dont touch throttle or brake, that moment is very important to allow the car to rotate and turn-in better and if you reaccelerate too soon it will be slower. i could been closer on inside of1st and 3rd apex but it give an idea...
- 3,094
- USA
- ItsAllAboutWins
- 11,207
- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
Well, all of my other sectors were trash, but had a near .200 improvement at the line. With over 1,500 km invested so far, I guess something good is bound to happen if you do it long enough.
