GTP_WRS Week 24 : The Alpines' Alpine

[mr_lab_rat]

Where are you at Mitch? I didn't find your splits in the thread. Now that we are in the same division maybe we can have a real rat race

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Where are you at Mitch? I didn't find your splits in the thread. Now that we are in the same division maybe we can have a real rat race

I haven't posted any yet. They are hardly anything worth posting anyway. I'll post them tomorrow and submit regardless though because I'm not putting in all this effort for nothing, its just going to be a piss poor showing but hey, you can't win them all, or in my case, at all.

 

[Thematic]

I only realized today the car is tiny, think my impression was about 110% per dimension.

Happily did away with seven tenths today. Some of the hints here must have found a place they make a difference in. BB 6/7

34.233
58.867

 

[RoeszaGT]

Small improvement today
33.879
58.546

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

32.948
57.198

Lost a little in t3 but I'm happy. Also something weird happened. The laps before, i tried pausing and no menu popped up, so i ran it anyways. Then when I was crossing the sector splits, nothing popped up.. didn't even make the sector noise.. then right when I'm about to go to the final corner, they popped up.. the heck?

 

[mike_gt3]

32.948
57.198

Lost a little in t3 but I'm happy. Also something weird happened. The laps before, i tried pausing and no menu popped up, so i ran it anyways. Then when I was crossing the sector splits, nothing popped up.. didn't even make the sector noise.. then right when I'm about to go to the final corner, they popped up.. the heck?

well done! look like your effort paid off! 👍

now you can stop please

 

[Cats_PJs]

33.033
57.250

Decent t3,but still .2 left in the lap.

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

well done! look like your effort paid off! 👍

now you can stop please

I am no threat to you sir just a lowly ds3 peasant trying to keep up with a division of wheel kings (my daughter is addicted to lord of the rings at the age of 23 months and it's taking its toll on me ) I can gain on my ghost in t2 & t3 a little, but I believe i'll submit and work on the new combo when its posted. I'm just .036 from being in silver and I hope this gives me enough to get there. Good luck on your t3 and thanks for the help Mike!

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Ok, thanks Brandon, currently giving it another shot now. Any advice on the horseshoe, curve before the bridge. I've tried keeping it tight, letting it drift wide....nothing seems to be working. Also, coming out of the bridge, seem to be losing a good amount of time in those bends also.

Can any of you D1 guys offer any advice for the bolded part, still at a loss on how to properly attack those sections.

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

Yea, I posted it right below your tune that I enquired about last week. (actually i didn't see it, yours and a couple other alerts got pushed out of my notification window thing)

I'm not doing anything special. Brake hard into a trail brake then on the throttle again at 53 mph. I'm staying in the middle of the track. Right half of the car on the outside skid marks that are in the middle.

 

[EDK]

Can any of you D1 guys offer any advice for the bolded part, still at a loss on how to properly attack those sections.

I assume you mean the tunnel, not the bridge?

The only bridge I'm aware of is the one right at the T1 marker.

I think the biggest problem I'm having in the only turn of meaning in T2, the right hander before the tunnel, is getting traction for the exit. It seems I'm fastest when I let the car continue to wind out over redline until traction stabilizes, and then go up to 4th. If I short shift into 4th while still breaking traction, the car lugs. I've tried a smooth, tight line, and have also tried more of a double apex, chuck it in at the last moment, let it drift out, then bring it back in tight. They really seem about the same to me.

I do know you want to avoid the dirt on the left before the tunnel, it makes bad traction worse and upsets the car to the point you lose time.

I have to believe part of what these guys are gaining in T2 is really a result of their fast T1, and more built up speed for the straight between T1 marker and the turn in question.

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

@EDK

I have to believe part of what these guys are gaining in T2 is really a result of their fast T1, and more built up speed for the straight between T1 marker and the turn in question.

I always cross the bridge at 60-61 mph. I checked my replay of my pb t2 and it was the same, with a slow t1.

 

[Cats_PJs]

I've been entering the turn in t2 with light trail braking, sliding to outside of the track mid turn, then easing into the throttle. I try to be at 71 mph at the shadow for the tunnel.

 

[EDK]

I've been entering the turn in t2 with light trail braking, sliding to outside of the track mid turn, then easing into the throttle. I try to be at 71 mph at the shadow for the tunnel.

What's your downshift point?

I was also experimenting with using 3rd right away, to engine brake, vs. waiting and shifting down just before I throttle on again. Again, not sure if one is faster than the other.

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

What's your downshift point?

I was also experimenting with using 3rd right away, to engine brake, vs. waiting and shifting down just before I throttle on again. Again, not sure if one is faster than the other.

I can post a video of just that one corner to the tunnel. Its a .217 t2

 

[mike_gt3]

for t2 to me the apex is about in the middle, if i try to enter on inside too quicly the ghost lose me on exit, andif i try a sooner apex i lose rear grip on exit and lose lot of speed, if i try to go too far on outside the ghost lose me, i tried to brake and trailbrake and have a really smooth transition from trailbrake to throttle and try to be right on the edge of grip without upsetting the car., to have low 300s at t2 i had to be very precise in the line and steering control, i dont accelerate 100% throttle at apex until its safe.

im probably missing something in t2 though seeing. 200s on leaderboard, i unfortunatly dont have time for another session, i think my t3 is okay, but thats what i thought on the ISF event as well

 

[Cats_PJs]

What's your downshift point?

I was also experimenting with using 3rd right away, to engine brake, vs. waiting and shifting down just before I throttle on again. Again, not sure if one is faster than the other.

I don't remember exactly, but I know I downshift pretty early into the corner.

 

[EDK]

I can post a video of just that one corner to the tunnel. Its a .217 t2

Yeah, let's not do that. We've done fine with T1 videos, and we can keep it that way.

Besides, I like to hear what people are thinking, the action of what they are doing. I think it might even help, if your response to written advice vs. a video is any indication.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I assume you mean the tunnel, not the bridge?

The only bridge I'm aware of is the one right at the T1 marker.

I think the biggest problem I'm having in the only turn of meaning in T2, the right hander before the tunnel, is getting traction for the exit. It seems I'm fastest when I let the car continue to wind out over redline until traction stabilizes, and then go up to 4th. If I short shift into 4th while still breaking traction, the car lugs. I've tried a smooth, tight line, and have also tried more of a double apex, chuck it in at the last moment, let it drift out, then bring it back in tight. They really seem about the same to me.

I do know you want to avoid the dirt on the left before the tunnel, it makes bad traction worse and upsets the car to the point you lose time.

I have to believe part of what these guys are gaining in T2 is really a result of their fast T1, and more built up speed for the straight between T1 marker and the turn in question.

Yes, I misspoke, I meant the tunnel. Thanks for your advice and also thanks to @mike_gt3 @ItsAllAboutWins @Cats_PJs and anyone else to offer advice. I'm on right now to give another effort with the advice's received. Thanks again guys, much appreciated.

 

[GTP_Jonjig]

33.783
58.217

 

[Strop]

33.729
57.713

 

[EDK]

33.729
57.713

Are you sure you got those right? That would have you with the fastest second sector on the entire board, by more than 2 tenths.

If the splits are right, did you get the tires right? We are not using the stock CS, we are using CM.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Well, like I said I would, here are my pathetic splits.

33.494
57.844

Needless to say, I am not happy with myself at all. I know I can do better than this, just not sure what the problem is. I feel like a damn noob. Not giving up though because like I said before, you shoot enough bullets at the target, you're bound to hit the bullseye sooner or later. Thanks again for all the help guys, much appreciated.

 

[EDK]

Well, like I said I would, here are my pathetic splits.

33.494
57.844

Needless to say, I am not happy with myself at all. I know I can do better than this, just not sure what the problem is. I feel like a damn noob. Not giving up though because like I said before, you shoot enough bullets at the target, you're bound to hit the bullseye sooner or later. Thanks again for all the help guys, much appreciated.

From what I've seen/read in the past, you have a very aggressive driving style, and you throw the car around very deliberately. That's not a criticism, it's a very short synopsis.

My point in saying is that with the lightness of this car and the lack of grip from the tires, is responds well to very smooth, gentle inputs. There are a few places on the track that I am being a bit quicker with steering input, the first right in T3 in particular is important to get the car to the apex quickly and on time. I feed the steering angle in instantly for that one, but in one motion. Everywhere else, it's a gradual progression to wind in and out the lock.

Really, all your inputs need to be gentler than normal, steering, throttle, brakes. If you are struggling with the last one, the lower BB settings some drivers are using could be useful. I've settled on 5/6, but the only corners that I'm using full braking are the first and last turns. Most of the other turns are probably 30-50%, and most of them are gradual in and out. Not an on/off switch.

 

[GTP_Nail]

Yipee...leaderboard...time to get to work again....I really can't pound around just for the sake of another hundredth...its too obscure. I specifically try to beat the next time...and then the next. Its more...personal....kind of like ...racing

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

From what I've seen/read in the past, you have a very aggressive driving style, and you throw the car around very deliberately. That's not a criticism, it's a very short synopsis.

My point in saying is that with the lightness of this car and the lack of grip from the tires, is responds well to very smooth, gentle inputs. There are a few places on the track that I am being a bit quicker with steering input, the first right in T3 in particular is important to get the car to the apex quickly and on time. I feed the steering angle in instantly for that one, but in one motion. Everywhere else, it's a gradual progressing to wind in and out the lock.

Really, all your inputs need to be gentler than normal, steering, throttle, brakes. If you are struggling with the last one, the lower BB settings some drivers are using could be useful. I've settled on 5/6, but the only corners that I'm using full braking are the first and last turns. Most of the other turns are probably 30-50%, and most of them are gradual in and out. Not an on/off switch.

Ah yes, you know me all too well ......aggressive I am. I will certainly take your advice here and try toning it down some to see if it helps. Thanks for taking the time to do the personal analysis to try to help me out, really appreciate it.

 

[mr_lab_rat]

I wouldn't call that pathetic. Right in the middle of D2 with one of the fastest times for s2.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I wouldn't call that pathetic. Right in the middle of D2 with one of the fastest times for s2.

Well, thanks for the kind words, but I set my acceptations to a higher level so for me, it is indeed pathetic and unacceptable. Looking at the leaderboards now, it is clear where I am losing time so more work must be done.

 

[anastasis14]

33.277
57.663

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Speaking of brake balance, why wouldn't a balance of say 1/9 be better than one of 2/4. Whats the benefit of lower brake balance? I've been using 2/9 to get the car to rotate better and have just tried 2/4 with no noticeable difference. Is it because I am over using the tires during braking and therefore hurting myself during exit with loss of traction? I've never understood fully the benefits of lower brake balance. I'm using ABS 1 btw.