GTP_WRS Week 25 : Mugen Motul Madrid

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Right think I might have a half competitive time this week.
I ran the laguna seca one last night and I'm clearly doing many things wrong. I'm like 5 seconds off the guy above me, in last place.
 
Off for final session shortly.
On average, now many hours do you all spend on a tt that you end up submitting? I guess it will vary hugely, but individual responses would be great!
Bert
Good luck all too
 
One quick question guys, If anyone can help.
Will ASM generally make you slower?
And if off in this one (if answer is yes) I guess it's just a question or getting the TCS to your liking?
Looks like it's going to be close between me and you @crowhop. Or will roamers t3 be way quicker.
I think I have about half a second to find and I'll be happy.
Let's see
 
Bertracer
One quick question guys, If anyone can help.
Will ASM generally make you slower?
And if off in this one (if answer is yes) I guess it's just a question or getting the TCS to your liking?
Looks like it's going to be close between me and you @crowhop. Or will roamers t3 be way quicker.
I think I have about half a second to find and I'll be happy.
Let's see
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ASM is definitely slower, I think. TCS is debatable. I don't use TCS, but I do wonder if it would have helped this week. Especially coming out of Turn 1 and the final chicane.

I've not updated my splits yet. I'll add those this evening when I get home. I have submitted though and won't be making another run at it. I've had enough of this one. I've probably put close to 750 KM on two difference versions of this car...one with Rigidity added and one without. The most effort I've put into a TT...ever, so far as I can tell.
I hate FF cars and don't really care for this track, but had to get it close to right.
I set personal bests in S2 and S3 after an average S1.
 
Oh damnnnn that is a lot of time
Think I've put about 200k in so far.
Did rigidity really make a difference or did you submit with the non rigidity car.
By the way, is it OK to restore body rigidity? I guess it's not really needed till well after a few 1000 K anyway
 
crowhop
ASM is definitely slower, I think. TCS is debatable. I don't use TCS, but I do wonder if it would have helped this week. Especially coming out of Turn 1 and the final chicane.

I've not updated my splits yet. I'll add those this evening when I get home. I have submitted though and won't be making another run at it. I've had enough of this one. I've probably put close to 750 KM on two difference versions of this car...one with Rigidity added and one without. The most effort I've put into a TT...ever, so far as I can tell.
I hate FF cars and don't really care for this track, but had to get it close to right.
I set personal bests in S2 and S3 after an average S1.
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Here is a link to the Madrid WRS racing event where use of TC for FF cars is discussed. @EDK gives some pretty good insight in his replies.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...n-motul-madrid-jul-12-16.313036/#post-9874924
 
Bertracer
One quick question guys, If anyone can help.
Will ASM generally make you slower?
And if off in this one (if answer is yes) I guess it's just a question or getting the TCS to your liking?
Looks like it's going to be close between me and you @crowhop. Or will roamers t3 be way quicker.
I think I have about half a second to find and I'll be happy.
Let's see
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ASM tries to steer for you when it thinks your getting out of shape, (at least thats what I think) for me this just makes things unpredictable and therefore will likely lead to slower lap times. Sometimes you may want the car to slightly oversteer on corner exit or on corner entry, especially if you trail brake, if you use ASM It may interfere with this. So its better to have it off and just control any oversteer moments with the steering wheel. As for traction control, its meant to stop wheel spin by cutting throttle power when the computer senses wheel spin is about to happen, however with front wheel drive, you sort of want that, if you have your diff settings on point you want a lot of power on the outside wheel to sort of stop any understeer moments by pulling you into a corner. For rear wheel drive cars with plenty of power traction control may help, but it really doesn't take that much effort to do a bit of throttle control, in the end its slightly faster than traction control on. I don't know if any of this is making any sense.
 
Bertracer
Oh damnnnn that is a lot of time
Think I've put about 200k in so far.
Did rigidity really make a difference or did you submit with the non rigidity car.
By the way, is it OK to restore body rigidity? I guess it's not really needed till well after a few 1000 K anyway
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Meh, hard to say. I ended up sticking with the one with it added after trying so many different tunes and settings, I lost count. This is why I prefer non-tuning weeks. 90% of the laps were done with an ill-handling car incapable of turning a good time anyway. They did help me learn the track and possibly some about tuning, but it was wasted time in the grand scheme. For tuning events in the future I'll be waiting until the Friday or Saturday before the TT ends to get a tune and run with it.

Restoring it couldn't hurt, but probably wouldn't help either unless the frame is starting to wear.
 
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manumanu19
ASM tries to steer for you when it thinks your getting out of shape, (at least thats what I think) for me this just makes things unpredictable and therefore will likely lead to slower lap times. Sometimes you may want the car to slightly oversteer on corner exit or on corner entry, especially if you trail brake, if you use ASM It may interfere with this. So its better to have it off and just control any oversteer moments with the steering wheel. As for traction control, its meant to stop wheel spin by cutting throttle power when the computer senses wheel spin is about to happen, however with front wheel drive, you sort of want that, if you have your diff settings on point you want a lot of power on the outside wheel to sort of stop any understeer moments by pulling you into a corner. For rear wheel drive cars with plenty of power traction control may help, but it really doesn't take that much effort to do a bit of throttle control, in the end its slightly faster than traction control on. I don't know if any of this is making any sense.
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The ASM stuff makes total sense.
TCS as well. The bit i have trouble with is the diff settings i guees. THe higher the lsd number on the accel, the more likely the are is to slide in this case? am i right in thinking that?
 
Bertracer
The ASM stuff makes total sense.
TCS as well. The bit i have trouble with is the diff settings i guees. THe higher the lsd number on the accel, the more likely the are is to slide in this case? am i right in thinking that?
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From what I know, if the Accel is set to 60 both front tires spin equally 100% of the time.
 
Bertracer
The ASM stuff makes total sense.
TCS as well. The bit i have trouble with is the diff settings i guees. THe higher the lsd number on the accel, the more likely the are is to slide in this case? am i right in thinking that?
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With PD you never know, it could be one way today and another when an update comes along. But the way I understand the diff setting is similar to a slider lower puts more power to the inside wheel higher puts it on the outside wheel. you play about with it until you are satisfied with the wheel spin, if you feel you can handle it keep increasing the accel until it becomes too much.

I think the decel works the same way but I am yet to fully understand it. I tend not to notice much with that one.
 
manumanu19
With PD you never know, it could be one way today and another when an update comes along. But the way I understand the diff setting is similar to a slider lower puts more power to the inside wheel higher puts it on the outside wheel. you play about with it until you are satisfied with the wheel spin, if you feel you can handle it keep increasing the accel until it becomes too much.

I think the decel works the same way but I am yet to fully understand it. I tend not to notice much with that one.
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From what I know, the lower decel is, the more lift oversteer you get. Basically, get it handling in the general vicinity with suspension setup and fine tune with LSD.
 
New splits guys :lol: These are slightly slower, but at least now my T3 is ok.

24.683
54.766

There is still a bit more than a tenth to find, but I'm unable to do it at the moment. Other than that my PS3 just froze again so I'll have to submit this lap :grumpy: Hopefully manu doesn't smash my T3, see ya'll in the results thread :cheers:
 
Xelyno
I'm done, finally managed to put my three best sectors in the same lap. :)

24.867
55.367

Submitted & accepted.
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It shall be a good duel.
I will be updating my splits momentarily. Your S1 is better, my S2 is better.
 
It says all hard surfaces are track, does this mean I can ignore the white lines and use all the kerb? All 4 wheels on kerb?
 
Damn you banzai runners :)
Not that I had a chance with my s3 but the LB was so nice to look at. I'm expecting to drop to 6th in D2, 15th overall.
 
crowhop
It shall be a good duel.
I will be updating my splits momentarily. Your S1 is better, my S2 is better.
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Damn
Time for me to go to work. Have submitted and accepted the splits i currently have up there.
But sure I can go quicker.
Speak soon and good luck fellow banzai lovers.
 
Final splits, feeling like its Q3, hoping for the best now :scared:

24.558
54.641

I don't know if I can beat this, got a bit untidy in the final parts of sector 2 so I'm still not sure about my run to the round about, the chicane was cautious so could have been a quicker, but I doubt I'll be able to get these again. Especially sector 1 :)
 
Teamsreth
It says all hard surfaces are track, does this mean I can ignore the white lines and use all the kerb? All 4 wheels on kerb?
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Yep. Use the curbing, use the green-painted tarmac, use the sidewalks, but don't put any part of the car into a barrier (visible or otherwise).

Did I say that last week's track was the worst addition to GT5? I meant this week's track. I had to turn on ABS to keep this car under control.

25.275
55.675

Say hello to another massive positive handicap. :dunce:
 
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