freshseth83
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GTPlanet ITCC Driver's Meetings (pre- and post-race)
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yea ok, my question is why would you be out that wide?
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- damuemogirl
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- Johnnypenso
I don't care about lap times or tire wear or any of that stuff. What I care about is clean racing and in my experience, not allowing guys to use the concrete, while techinically correct and the "right" way to run the track often dramatically increases the chance of the following:
1. 1st lap chaos. The turn is tricky on warm tires, you are jerking the car first left, off camber, then back around to the right. Hard braking there, which you might do when someone is beside you, makes the car behave differently. The track is narrow and small mistakes put one car into the guardrail.
2. It's fairly common at DF to see someone screw up the first corner by going too deep and someone to pull alongside up the hill. Often that leads to being side by side until this corner in question, and then the above issues kick in.
Doesn't mean it's not possible to get through the corner clean, just more difficult, even for the best of drivers. If everyone drove a little more cautiously it wouldn't be a problem, but in the last race especially, I can see it being a major issue.
1. 1st lap chaos. The turn is tricky on warm tires, you are jerking the car first left, off camber, then back around to the right. Hard braking there, which you might do when someone is beside you, makes the car behave differently. The track is narrow and small mistakes put one car into the guardrail.
2. It's fairly common at DF to see someone screw up the first corner by going too deep and someone to pull alongside up the hill. Often that leads to being side by side until this corner in question, and then the above issues kick in.
Doesn't mean it's not possible to get through the corner clean, just more difficult, even for the best of drivers. If everyone drove a little more cautiously it wouldn't be a problem, but in the last race especially, I can see it being a major issue.
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if your allowing room like 2 wide, theres no problem, but if your using it as your race line thats where the issue lies with me, i would move onto it to avoid collision, as long as i let the car to the other side of me take advantage, as in not using the area to gain or maintain position,
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I should take this opportunity to mention that TDZ, Roderuner and I had the chance to PM each other about a couple of incidents on Saturday and the results were friendly and professional and we were able to work things out without involving stewards.
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racing incedents, nothing personal, cant wait for this weekend
im starting to hate the forest.....
ITCC_Andrew
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I'm thinking we'll do the "three lap" deal. I have no problems with policing the chicane. For example, I can tell you that Storm used the normal track at Tsukuba to catch back up. 
But, if you're taking to the concrete to avoid a crash, you need to make sure that you *hold* the *outside* line around the entire corner. This should, effectively, negate the bonus effect of cutting the corner, and should not create a crash.
As for the side of the tunnel, which is also paved, yes, use it if you can! It leaves that little bit more room for the cars around you.
In short then: don't use the first concrete patch at Deep Forest's turn 4. I'll allow it in qualifying, to ensure that no one is dis-advantaged in qualifying, but in the races, you will be penalized for gaining time or positions in the concrete patch, or as a result of it. If you need to use it, to avoid a crash, then hold the outside line for the entire corner, to ensure that you don't block anyone else's racing line.
But, if you're taking to the concrete to avoid a crash, you need to make sure that you *hold* the *outside* line around the entire corner. This should, effectively, negate the bonus effect of cutting the corner, and should not create a crash.
As for the side of the tunnel, which is also paved, yes, use it if you can! It leaves that little bit more room for the cars around you.
In short then: don't use the first concrete patch at Deep Forest's turn 4. I'll allow it in qualifying, to ensure that no one is dis-advantaged in qualifying, but in the races, you will be penalized for gaining time or positions in the concrete patch, or as a result of it. If you need to use it, to avoid a crash, then hold the outside line for the entire corner, to ensure that you don't block anyone else's racing line.
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I'm thinking we'll do the "three lap" deal. I have no problems with policing the chicane. For example, I can tell you that Storm used the normal track at Tsukuba to catch back up.
But, if you're taking to the concrete to avoid a crash, you need to make sure that you *hold* the *outside* line around the entire corner. This should, effectively, negate the bonus effect of cutting the corner, and should not create a crash.
As for the side of the tunnel, which is also paved, yes, use it if you can! It leaves that little bit more room for the cars around you.
In short then: don't use the first concrete patch at Deep Forest's turn 4. I'll allow it in qualifying, to ensure that no one is dis-advantaged in qualifying, but in the races, you will be penalized for gaining time or positions in the concrete patch, or as a result of it. If you need to use it, to avoid a crash, then hold the outside line for the entire corner, to ensure that you don't block anyone else's racing line.
I am for using it in qualifying because someone would even if we said don't.
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- Johnnypenso
I don't get it. As I see it, here are the two options we have:
Possible Rule 1:
The concrete overrun in the tunnel is just as "illegal" from a technical standpoint, but we're going to allow that because it makes for more room and therefore better, cleaner racing, but not allow the same "illegal" overrun in the race in the 2nd preceding corner although it would accomplish the same purpose, but we will allow it for qualifying because someone might cheat, but we're willing to watch massive amounts of replays to make sure no one cheats and if you have to use it to avoid an accident you can but you must stay to the outside of the track to negate any advantage.
Or...
Possible Rule 2:
The concrete overruns just before and in the first tunnel are track.
Something tells me version 2 will be cleaner, easier to follow, less likely to lead to penalties, far less work on the part of the stewards and make for much better racing...but I could be wrong...
ITCC_Andrew
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Possible Rule #1 is so wordy! I don't even understand what your point is with it.
We can't properly check if people are or are not skipping in qualifying. The Team of Stewards needs to run laps too, you know.
We can't properly check if people are or are not skipping in qualifying. The Team of Stewards needs to run laps too, you know.
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The point is, allowing one overrun to be used in the tunnel, to make for better racing, but not the other just before the tunnel, which would also make for better racing, makes no sense. They should either both be in or both be out.
To allow one overrun to be used in qualifying but not allow it in the race makes no sense. Seems like a whole bunch of convaluted reasoning that serves no logical purpose.
I don't see the logic in all of this.
To allow one overrun to be used in qualifying but not allow it in the race makes no sense. Seems like a whole bunch of convaluted reasoning that serves no logical purpose.
I don't see the logic in all of this.
ITCC_Andrew
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I want to keep the racing clean. So far, it doesn't seem like this track will be anywhere near as rough as Madrid.
I'm for whichever people will think will be cleaner.
I'm for whichever people will think will be cleaner.
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The way I figure, more room = cleaner, plus you guys don't have to check every person's replay.
ITCC_Andrew
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I really need people to agree with this, I think, because I organized two pre-official races here, with Seth, Johnny, cnd, storm, polar and norm, (as well as a few others, but, it's not official, so I don't really care to check the replays) and both were very clean. Certainly, the speeds were faster in the race with the concrete, and I'd be willing to run it, but I still want to know where people sit on the issue.
Is it cleaner with or without the concrete?
freshseth83
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With. People will be tempted to use it anyway. So just allow it. I can run times basically near eachother with or without it. Only a couple tenths faster with it. But it's a race so lap times aren't really super important. So how about we put our name and preferred method?
freshseth83- concrete allowed
freshseth83- concrete allowed
ITCC_Andrew
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Yes please! Good idea!
freshseth83
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You didn't put your name and method!
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freshseth83
Lol!
And everyone! Come get on playstation! I wanna run a race or two, or three.... But let's practice!
freshseth83
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^You didn't either. We should be doing this so we can figure out the total of for and against
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freshseth83
I'm for using the concrete. Reason being, someone's going to cut it really close to our "rule" and all will go to heak in a handbasket.... So to avoid any disputes, I say use the concrete!
freshseth83
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So lets get it rolling-
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what if in qually it was agreed to be used, but in racing not used, unless neccessary, i believe there will be people using it when others cant look, so to stop this allow when cant be seen, ban when can be monitored or replayed and penalised,
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Johnnypenso
Seth's question was which one you preferred... I think the majority wants concrete.
And Mel, since I'm making that video and one of your concerns was how professional the racing looks. I can assure you the racing looks fine, my video will be up tomorrow, probably on the Rolex channel... Maybe we could make a channel for all our series?? Like grand am and itcc and Vln? Might be easier... But you can check my video out to see how the racing looks!
ITCC_Andrew
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ITCC_Andrew
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I agree, and hope so. I'll ensure that the race quality is improved this weekend.
At Deep Forest, please:
-Feel free to use the concrete
-brake before your normal braking point after drafting
-Remember, you can't pass on the inside from behind.
-The dive-bombing rule is in full effect.
"If your front tire is not ahead of the rear tire of the car you're passing, you don't have corner rights"
-A full track debriefing will be put in the second post of this thread.
-It is recommended (and necessary) that everyone read and understand it
