GTPlanet Tandem H2H Drift Tournament #2 </Ivan vs Uberlight replay uploaded\>

[Stavingo]

Yes, I suppose you can arrange a different time with the judges if they don't suit you.

 

[Gonales]

Yes, I suppose you can arrange a different time with the judges if they don't suit you.

I reckon you can't really. it would be ridiculous the judges would have to wait up, or even log on at other times, because someone cant make the qualifying... i can hardly imagine, your time is taken at all 4 the time indications...

 

[Hayden]

This is tricky, I personally think that 4 slots is enough. Any more and it would get a bit ridiculous. Same goes for having special circumstances. The fact is that no matter how many chances people get some are just poorly organized or are in an unlucky timezone. I may hold an extra session some time during the week. But special, individual runs just won't work.

 

[jimy281090]

whats the situation on qualifiers?. is it single runs or tandem scoring?

 

[the_kingb_]

Lmao @ kingb still trying so hard to get rid of Indy

laugh as much as u want i still prefer another track specially the DeepForest layout.

 

[Hayden]

I believe that single runs would allow the drifters to properly show their skill. I don't want to see a good drifter not make the cut because they were stuck waiting for a worse drifter. We have a lot of entrants and tandem knockout qualifiers just wouldn't work

 

[the_kingb_]

If it is allowed i want to change my vote back to DEEP FOREST Layout, thanks

 

[Hayden]

I'll change it for you in a few hours.

 

[Stavingo]

Has qualifying started yet?

 

[Hayden]

Next weekend Stavingo. Tournament #1 semi & grand finals are this monday morning our time (sunday to everyone else)

 

[Stavingo]

Oh ok.

 

[GODfreyGT5]

I won't be able to make next weekend, could we hold qualifiers on a fri sat and sun, two times each day.

With so many people it's un-doubtable that aranging times will be difficult, so I think that holding a range of times for qualifying will be necessary.

Also you have not got back to me on a 'FR' limit.

Chris.

 

[Hayden]

I am slightly reluctant on enforcing a FR limit, as i was hoping this competition could be completely open.
I am however aware that MR cars slide a lot faster through the corners, often leaving front engined cars in their smoke (literally)
I therefore am seriously doubting that FR and MR cars will be allowed.
Remember though, tournament 1 allows any rear drive car to enter, and everyone went with front engined anyway.
I may need to have a couple more qualifiers. Unfortunately no matter how many times i arrange it still wont suit everyone. I think i will have two more sessions. Friday at GMT 10am (suits australians) and monday GMT at 7PM, suits UK people who couldnt make the weekend) and tuesday 2am GMT (suits americans who missed the weekend)

However i likely wont be available for any of these (apart from the one which suits aussies) so will need someone to organise and judge these qualifiers.

 

[GODfreyGT5]

Hmm, I am very aware that this is complicated to arrange, however I do wish to eliminate the chances of unfairness throughout the comp.

May I suggest that people could all upload a video clip of a solo run, these runs could then be judged by you or other judges. The runs would all have to be under the exact same conditions (e.g lap one in practice mode with real track edge) in order to gain the same camera angles for each participant.

Let me know what you think.

Chris.

 

[Hayden]

Hmm, I am very aware that this is complicated to arrange, however I do wish to eliminate the chances of unfairness throughout the comp.

May I suggest that people could all upload a video clip of a solo run, these runs could then be judged by you or other judges. The runs would all have to be under the exact same conditions (e.g lap one in practice mode with real track edge) in order to gain the same camera angles for each participant.

Let me know what you think.

Chris.

I think your brilliant! This is a really easy way to do this and makes me feel like a bit of a fool ... While not everyone has a youtube account or an off screen recorder, most people have a USB and replay data is very easily copied and sent to someone in the same region who can judge it. Great idea!

 

[Hayden]

I have messed around with the OP to include the qualifying instructions & sponsorship details. If you want me to change anything, feel free to post

 

[the_kingb_]

I think your brilliant! This is a really easy way to do this and makes me feel like a bit of a fool ... While not everyone has a youtube account or an off screen recorder, most people have a USB and replay data is very easily copied and sent to someone in the same region who can judge it. Great idea!

That is for people who cant make it to the sessions i assume ... but i dont like the idea cuz it will ruin the spice of a live session with 2 runs for each only ... with replay data everyone will make like 100 runs and upload the best maybe even more and everyone will wait until the deadline of the qualifiying to send their replay which is not the best way to do it think... LIVE Sessions are much better. replays are good for tandem runs maybe but not for solo ones IMO.

 

[GODfreyGT5]

The uploading one was an idea. If we use this then all participants should have to, as you are very aware I strongly support fairness in these tournaments.

@the_kingb_ a very clear issue, and a thaught that was in my mind.

We should either have live judgings only, or unlimited practice with self-uploaded replays, unless you can rely on everyone not to cheat and to only use two goes.

Chris.

 

[the_kingb_]

One more thing.About the FR limit ... i dont like it since MR are slower to me than FR.
IMO that is just getting too much into the details its like saying for example only DS3 users should enter and no G25/G27 ... i myself use a DFGT which turns very slowly, i do force it and turn it fast with my hands but that does not make my transitions as fast as ones done by G25/G27 users :S and the feedback of the DFGT wheel near the center (when doing very fast minor angle drifts when linking turns 3-4-5 on indy) something wich is very annoying and wich slows u down specially with FR cars which require far more accurate steering than MR or RR ones do ,so G25/G27 users have far more advantage on me than me using than MR and them an FR.

please take this into consideration thanks.

EDIT: only FR ...Why dont we all use the same car ?

 

[Hayden]

GODfreyGT5 suggested FR only, it has been established that they slide quicker... but if enough people want them back, i will consider.

I am afraid of people having 1000000 runs, but the idea is mainly for those who wont be able to make the live judging. If one does decide to cheat, it is there decision, but they are only going to make themselves look a fool when they go online and get flogged in their first battle.

I would prefer live judging only, but i know for a fact that judges wont be too keen on having to sit around on a million different occasions, just to be stood up.

 

[TwinturboCH]

That is for people who cant make it to the sessions i assume ... but i dont like the idea cuz it will ruin the spice of a live session with 2 runs for each only ... with replay data everyone will make like 100 runs and upload the best maybe even more

Exactly. Live qualifying is the ONLY way to go.

One more thing.About the FR limit ... i dont like it since MR are slower to me than FR.
IMO that is just getting too much into the details its like saying for example only DS3 users should enter and no G25/G27 ... i myself use a DFGT which turns very slowly, i do force it and turn it fast with my hands but that does not make my transitions as fast as ones done by G25/G27 users :S and the feedback of the DFGT wheel near the center (when doing very fast minor angle drifts when linking turns 3-4-5 on indy) something wich is very annoying and wich slows u down specially with FR cars which require far more accurate steering than MR or RR ones do ,so G25/G27 users have far more advantage on me than me using than MR and them an FR.

please take this into consideration thanks.

EDIT: only FR ...Why dont we all use the same car ?

You personally may not be as fast in MR as FR, but certainly with a DS3 in experienced hands, an MR car can be driven waaaay faster than an FR. Biggest difference is how they behave 'on-throttle' when exiting a corner, FR spins the wheels and makes smoke, MR just squats and accelerates (while still spinning the wheels).

I am afraid of people having 1000000 runs, but the idea is mainly for those who wont be able to make the live judging.

You have offered enough different sessions to give everyone a chance, if they still can't make it, that's their problem, they obviously aren't that bothered or they'd make time. Plus, you have to consider the fact that if they can't make any one of 6-8 different, then what are the chances they are going to make it to any of the battles should they actually qualify. This should be like real life, if you want to compete, you have to make the effort to attend.

 

[Hayden]

Very good point TTCH... I didn't want to here about people who were going to attempt qualifying but couldn't because of time conflicts. I guess you are right though, if they can't make it to 1 out of 7 qualifiers they musn't really be that interested and if they are, they might be impossible to cater for or really unorganized

 

[HKSD1]

GODfreyGT5 suggested FR only, it has been established that they slide quicker... but if enough people want them back, i will consider.

I am afraid of people having 1000000 runs, but the idea is mainly for those who wont be able to make the live judging. If one does decide to cheat, it is there decision, but they are only going to make themselves look a fool when they go online and get flogged in their first battle.

I would prefer live judging only, but i know for a fact that judges wont be too keen on having to sit around on a million different occasions, just to be stood up.

i dont see why FR MR RR will have a problem to do with anything. they are all rear wheel drive, and you are open to pick whatever you want. if you dont choose one or the other, then you must be a reason. MR cars generally are faster under acceleration out, but it also have less room for error under most situation. As for RR they are slow generally due to the nature of the car, its weight drag its tail outward most of the time resulting slow cornering. All of these different RWD layouts have their advantages and disadvantages, and clearly that FR has the most advantage to the general public as most people choose a FR for Round 1's competition, whatever the reason may be.

i really do think the organizer should reconsider this one, or we might as well all use the same cars if one were to seek for the ultimate fairness. Variations are good as long as they are all RWD. At the end of the day, there are only 2 wheels spinning

 

[Hayden]

So i have 2 people wanting FR only and 2 wanting any.... I personally love drifting my RUF BTR and my Lotus Esprit Sport, but this is up to you guys.

As SAi said, they all have their advantages & disadvantages. I am completely against everyone using the same car. It would be so boring watching the same car over & over. I love to see variety in these tournaments but i need to know more peoples opinions on this very important decision before i make a judgement call and get slammed for it

 

[DrifTa-AJV]

I couldn't care less what rwd layout people use but I do agree with TTCH I would've thought four qualifying sessions would be enough you have all weekend to pick a session I wouldn't like to see the organizer get overwhelmed with to many sessions you also said yourself Hayden that you wouldn't be able to make the extra sessions you have made.
So who will judge these rounds?? I personally would like to see this tournament move faster than tournament 1 and as the gtp rules state if someone dosnt show up then they forefit the round as the groups get larger you should try to simplify the tournaments not make more work for yourself witch is why I thought you were running the qualifier in the first place.

 

[Hayden]

This is true, Drifta. The qualifying was to reduce the rounds making it easier for me. Fact is though, that none of the times really suit australian competitors and many people spend their weekends drifting IRL... The extra qualifiers are all after the initial ones, meaning they are only backups. I would be hoping that someone may be able to drop in on the extra sessions to judge

 

[Hayden]

OK, thanks to xUXIOUSx a qualifier GMT friday 9pm onwards can be held. Thanks again xUXIOUSx

 

[GODfreyGT5]

Me and TT spent multiple hours comparing drifting speeds with different horsepowers and engine layouts. It is rediculous for people to challenge this point after it has been confirmed by someone like TwinTurbo.

 

[the_kingb_]

Me and TT spent multiple hours comparing drifting speeds with different horsepowers and engine layouts. It is rediculous for people to challenge this point after it has been confirmed by someone like TwinTurbo.

The rediculous thing is that you want ultimate fairness that doesnt exit ! even if we all use the same car it wont be 100% fair since some of use use high quality wheels others average quality wheels other DS3s and so on ... if you want fairness we should all use DS3 and the same car ... if you want a good tournament with varieties and FUN then it should be RWD and free choice of controllers. I would say to group DS3 ppl and ban them from using MR and RR but that will be rediculous too ... I say just RWD .

 

[GODfreyGT5]

*waits patiently for TwinTurbo to come and back me up on this*