GTPLMS S2 Round 3 Qualifying - Bridgestone Streets of New York *RESULTS POSTED*

Yeah, I was only having yellow/peachy fronts by lap 10. At least 3 laps more in them.
It would help if I could see some of the corners.

Have made some adjustments to the display parameters, but should be crystal clear by tomoz or wednesday.

Neil
 
oldphart
took Neils idea and "ran" with it 👍
a little tyre testing, and trying to find the damn pit !
working on taking it flat out :dopey:
not worried about the tyres, they seem to be holding up pretty well for around 14 laps or so :) hehehe
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Yeah, I'm pretty surprised how well the tires last here. I'd expect heavier wear based on how much braking there is and you have to slide the car a bit.
 
I am a firm believer that race series should be ran by at least 2 people. Anything can come up at any time and you won't have time for or access to a computer.

So if you get held up someone else will be there to pick up the slack.

It's just too much of a hassle for just one person
 
Earth
I am a firm believer that race series should be ran by at least 2 people. Anything can come up at any time and you won't have time for or access to a computer.

So if you get held up someone else will be there to pick up the slack.

It's just too much of a hassle for just one person
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while you make an interesting point, I don't believe ICallShotgun would let anyone other then himself run the series. just seems like he'll do it no matter what.
 
Sorry to sound like a n00b, but I'm lost, where is the race section? This was just qualifying for 4 laps, how many is the race??? Are we just waiting for our admin to post it?

Jerome
 
We're waiting on the admin to post qualifying results then he will post what the race is.

But I'm looking at his profile and it says the last time he logged in was 2 days ago. That's why i think there should be 2 people running this, especially when we really race online in GT5
 
Just to weigh in on the current situation.

I see two points--one, we're where we are for now and just have to be patient (go back and check Chris's post about being late--he said there would still be 7 days to complete the race).

Second, maybe better plans can be made for the next holiday that comes up, either adjust the race date, or appoint a back-up steward, or something else.
 
sorry guys, but Memorial day weekend is always a tough weekend for me. this is the first time I've gotten the chance at the boards in 4 days. I'll have the results up in a couple hours and the race thread shortly thereafter.

Drove 475 miles, course marshalled 3 days, partied late at night, worked 20 hours, and slept about 15. i have to go to work to relax!

c
 
Qualifying just confirmed my worst fears.

Audi R8 1-2-3

The Audis are that much better then everyone else. I pushed as hard as I could and all I can manage is a single fastest lap of 1'19.9xx, 2 seconds slower then the RACERCAR's top time. Also my total time was 10 seconds off the pace.

Granted, I ran a 1'20.5 and a 1'21 flat my other 2 laps. But that's only 2 seconds into a massive 10 second gap the Audis made over just 4 laps.

ERacer and Delfino are excellent drivers and they're sitting a whopping 20 seconds off pole in prototype.

Sobering indeed. Hopefully ICallShotgun will look into this. My suggestions are do the HP penalties for race results, because people are obviously sandbagging in qualifying. Also, include Weight penalties for cars.
 
ICallShotgun
BridgeStone Streets of New York
Round 3 Qualifying Results
Prototype (PRO)​
Code: 
[CENTER]Driver        Car                        Time    
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[COLOR=purple][COLOR=#c3a519]RACECAR        #3 Playstation3 Audi R8                5:17.161[COLOR=orange]  1pts[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=purple]
[COLOR=#959595]jump_ace    #21 Guinness Audi R8                5:20.116[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#e8733a]ICallShotgun    #17 Intersport Audi R8                5:24.601[/COLOR]
Earth        #16 Microsoft Pescarolo PS2            5:28.721
ERacer        #14 Spencerline Performance Courage C60        5:37.077
Delfino        #25 Labatts Pescarolo PS2            5:39.319
danny12        #12 Roblex Aviation Audi R8            5:42.803
C-H-A-R-G-E-R    #0 Playstation Courage C60            5:43.167[/CENTER]
[/COLOR]

Fastest lap goes to [B]RACECAR[/B] at [B]1:17.270[/B][COLOR=orange] 1pt[/COLOR]
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gotta love the street circuits.



ICallShotgun
Grand Touring 2 (GT2)
Code: 
[CENTER]Driver        Car                        Time    
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[COLOR=blue][COLOR=#c3a519]SammiTougeGirl    #66 Enkei Wheels Vauxhall Astra            6:06.986[COLOR=orange]  1pts[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=blue]
[COLOR=#959595]RACECAR        #53 Siemens Audi TT-R                6:08.566[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#e8733a]chollo9        #60 JagerMeister BMW M3 GTR            6:10.497[/COLOR]
ICallShotgun    #63 Toshiba BMW M3 GTR                6:11.129
CAMikaze    #77 Pepsi Mazda RX7 LM                6:13.707
Delfino        #75 QuarterMasters Mazda RX7 LM            6:17.085
C-H-A-R-G-E-R    #00 Eclipse Mazda RX7 LM            6:34.751[/CENTER]
[/COLOR]
[CENTER]Fastest lap goes to [B]SammiTougeGirl[/B] at [B]1:29.135[/B][COLOR=orange] 1pt[/COLOR][/CENTER]
[/CENTER]


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looks like SammiTougeGirl has found something in that Astra.

Earth
Qualifying just confirmed my worst fears.

Audi R8 1-2-3
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rather ironic you say that considering Le Mans is coming up.​
 
I have to say that I'm a little perturbed that the Hp pens aren't on a rolling format like in the JGTC, like I thought they would be.

Race one winner has gained his Hp back, even though he won R2 also.

No offence meant C-H-A-R-G-E-R, honest!

Just a little jealous at your speed. :)

Neil
 
Tyre King
I have to say that I'm a little perturbed that the Hp pens aren't on a rolling format like in the JGTC, like I thought they would be.

Race one winner has gained his Hp back, even though he won R2 also.

No offence meant C-H-A-R-G-E-R, honest!

Just a little jealous at your speed. :)

Neil
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C-H-A-R-G-E-R is +2% for dead last in PRO for R3 Q, -2% for winning R2 Race, and -1% for being 2nd in R2 Q. It's a revolving 3-round system. and believe me, if I see lap times significantly better in the race, which would lead me to sandbagging in Q for extra HP...lets just say penalties will be handed out.
 
To be honest with all of you, I was pretty much like this - :nervous: - for the last couple of days since I sent in my times to Shotgun until I had a look at the Qualifying results just now. Needless to say, I'm as pleased as punch at getting my first class pole position in GT1 this round - or in any GTPlanet series for that matter. :D Also, I know I got some work to do to catch up to SammiTougeGirl in both GT2 and GT3. Especially in GT2 where I find out I'm the fastest Mazda, but only qualified 5th fastest in class!

IMO, it should be an interesting race. ;)

ICallShotgun
Drove 475 miles, course marshalled 3 days, partied late at night, worked 20 hours, and slept about 15. i have to go to work to relax!
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Lemme guess. You went up to Lime Rock this past weekend? :sly: If so, how was the racing? Also, what do you think of the SPEED World Challenge series?
 
No, actually I do Steward and Central Control for Midwestern Council in northern Illinois, and we had a long holiday of racing. Wheel to Wheel Sat, HPDE Sun, and AutoCross Mon. very VERY long weekend when you add free beer after the track is done! :cheers:
 
''ERacer and Delfino are excellent drivers and they're sitting a whopping 20 seconds off pole in prototype.

Sobering indeed. Hopefully ICallShotgun will look into this. My suggestions are do the HP penalties for race results, because people are obviously sandbagging in qualifying. Also, include Weight penalties for cars''

.. :) Rest assured Delfino is not sandbagging .. woudn't even think about it :crazy: .. as explained to the race director a couple of weeks ago .

Prototype is just an 'exercise machine' for Delfino .. to tune himself on every circuit before jumping into GT2 and GT3 .

There are two tracks where he will take Qf very seriously though .
 
No no no lol I wasn't suggesting you and ERacer were sandbagging lol

Now that I look at what I said it sounds really bad, but I wasn't accusing you guys of sandbagging.

It's obvious CHARGER is but not you guys.

I made the comment that you guys were 20 seconds behind the Audi R8s to try and get Icallshotgun to slow them down more, not accuse you guys of sandbagging.

Hopefully that's straighten up 👍
 
Well, Ive been getting alot of practice in the Astra on Xlink.
And would you believe Ive only lost two races in it, and they were at the ring.
But rest assured Ill be making one more stop than the rest of you in the race.:)
 
ICallShotgun
C-H-A-R-G-E-R is +2% for dead last in PRO for R3 Q, -2% for winning R2 Race, and -1% for being 2nd in R2 Q. It's a revolving 3-round system. and believe me, if I see lap times significantly better in the race, which would lead me to sandbagging in Q for extra HP...lets just say penalties will be handed out.
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It's all about this session in my university. I've got 2 different timetables for the two weeks that made me very busy on one of them. I was very busy that week so I've done that all in one hour from single try without restarts and practice, but luckily I have some free time this week... My goal was just to get any time to stay in the grid and get single point for staying here...

And I guarantee that I will do my best in the race and my results will be much better because I know where I've lost so many time. I lost a lot of time avoiding AI and I will do my best so hang on!

And as for your rules... Well that's it... You get it only a mounth after our discussion!? I was right from the very beginning. We were talking about this foolish -/+ HP sistem with some racers. This rules lead us to that fact that this single point doesn't cost anything because of -2%HP. This is too huge disadvantage for such a little award. And if you are talking about this now and understand it... well then why you are still using it? Now it's clear for everyone that this single rule will bring... So I can't understand the reason.

"Lets just say penalties will be handed out" - ha ha ha! :sly: Nice joke! :sly: For what, buddy? And how? Even if someone will practice this then you still have no reasons or any rights to do that. it's your mistake... And anyone can do anything while it is still about the rules. This is still answer rule's demands and still legal. No one can ask anyone to be fast or slow. So do something to close this huge hole in your rules. Or it will be like 3d segment in F1. They just saving the fuel with no action during 12/15 mitutes, but FIA couldn't do anything... Their rules lead to that.

PS: As you know I've tried my best during previous qualifies with no free time, but I hope I will fight for the poles from the next round getting some break in studying... I will do it anyway though this is wrong strategy if you want to get more points. I used to do that and will do it again because I like the spirit. And this round it was simply spoiled by my physics exam prepearing...

I dislike to criticize but something should be done because this foolish thing can kill the whole idea especially if you post this "beeing slower in qualify" "strategy" right here for everyone. And penalty is even worse than this, because you can't be sure if this is the best result (someone was too busy) or someone just trying to get bonus HP.

All the best for the future...


Earth


Sobering indeed. Hopefully ICallShotgun will look into this. My suggestions are do the HP penalties for race results, because people are obviously sandbagging in qualifying. Also, include Weight penalties for cars''
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That's it. I'm so glad that someone exept Chollo09 and me had noticed that! 👍 👍 👍
 
This reminds me of the NASCAR All-Star race a few years back.

The rule was that you had to pit for 4 tires at least once during the 40 lap race.

Everybody pitted around lap 20 but one driver, Jeff Burton, stayed out.

The announcers and me were confused as to what he was doing. He had to pit at least once. On the last lap, lap 40, he came into the pits.

But it turns out his pit box was before the start/finish line which was situated half-way down pitlane.

So he pitted for 4 tires, then drove 100 feet at 35mph to the start/finish line in pitroad for the win.

He broke no rules but found a way around them and made himself 1 million dollars richer.

I think it's obvious the current HP penalty system is not working.

Truth be told I left GTPLMS S1 because the Audis were 2 seconds a lap quicker and nothing was done despite sincere pleas on my part. I decided to join S2 because it seemed this time the Audis would be restricted to make the races fair.

But that isn't happening. At a track like New York HP isn't that critical, handling is. So therefore the Audis can really shine despite less HP. That's why I think weight should be part of the equalizing process.

The way the current system work is if a driver takes it easy in qualifying or sandbags he is rewarded with +2 power. The driver who puts time into it and earns pole is punished with -2 power but is rewarded with just 1 championship point.

The current system will be abused until it is changed. And I agree with CHARGER, they shouldn't be punished for abusing it whether they sand bagged or just took it easy
 
Earth
I think it's obvious the current HP penalty system is not working.

Truth be told I left GTPLMS S1 because the Audis were 2 seconds a lap quicker and nothing was done despite sincere pleas on my part. I decided to join S2 because it seemed this time the Audis would be restricted to make the races fair.

But that isn't happening. At a track like New York HP isn't that critical, handling is. So therefore the Audis can really shine despite less HP. That's why I think weight should be part of the equalizing process.

The way the current system work is if a driver takes it easy in qualifying or sandbags he is rewarded with +2 power. The driver who puts time into it and earns pole is punished with -2 power but is rewarded with just 1 championship point.

The current system will be abused until it is changed. And I agree with CHARGER, they shouldn't be punished for abusing it whether they sand bagged or just took it easy
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Yeah, you're right. I've noticed Audis advantage at Fuji though I've won there. But what we should do? Decrease their HP? I don't think this is the answer because I think now this is unfair.

As for the rules. We shouldn't use this sistem in qualify. That's for sure. Winner get 1 or 2 (if it is a sprint race) bonus points and that's enough. Others just get nothing.

As for the race... I still dislike this sistem. There are a lot of racers in each class that can compete. For what we should use this? I don't know... We gather great racers here. Someone special on GTP They do no not need any restrictions. As for the challengers... I don't think that someone would like to win when most of the other races get -6% HP. This is not a victory. So I hope Chris would finally get it...
 
This whole thing about the penalty system doesn't disturb me so much,rather than I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE METHOD how these penalties getting mete out...
Somewhere I lost in its understanding...:nervous:
 
I still don't quite get it completely either. I keep hearing something about penalties rotating every 3 rounds??

But when cars that finish ahead of me all the time start getting more HP while I stay put raised some red flags
 
OOOPS EDITED BELOW

Quote from Chargers Post ..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delfino
Sobering indeed. Hopefully ICallShotgun will look into this. My suggestions are do the HP penalties for race results, because people are obviously sandbagging in qualifying. Also, include Weight penalties for cars''

Just for the record .. this quote was NOT 'originally posted' by Delfino .. pls check to see where it came from .
 
Here is a copy of a message I sent to ICallShotgun regarding the Audi R8 among other things during Season 1. It is dated November 09, 2006.

Letter dedicated to GTP Le Mans Race Steward​

During qualifying for the BridgeStone Grand Prix of Midfield, the #13 Gran Turismo 4 Audi R8 was 2 seconds a lap quicker then the rest of the qualifying field which was comprised of 2 Pescarolo V10s, 2 BMW V12s and the #1 Dell Audi R8 which has struggled to get up to speed so far this season. It is worthy to note that the LMP1 qualifying field outside of the #1 and #13 Audi R8 was seperated by just 1 second.

During the race the #13 Gran Turismo 4 Audi R8 coasted to an easy victory of some 20 seconds. The winning LMP1 driver also partook in the GT2 series, but finished 4th, 10 seconds behind the winning time and 2 seconds ahead of the driver he beat by 20 seconds in LMP1. There is no need to be an Einstein to see that driver skill did not play a major role in the victory for the #13 Gran Turismo 4 Audi R8 in LMP1.

This official statement published by GTP Le Mans on November 9 2006 is clear: "Pay attention to Round 5. GTMSA officials have been tossing the idea of "competition adjustments" for all classes. These will NOT take place until Round 5 (LeMans) but pay attention to the Race threads."

Given the previous figures which clearly highlight an Audi R8 advantage over other LMP1 cars, one could thus expect - and promises had been made in this sense - that new equivalencies will be applied in time for the 24 Laps of Le Mans.

-Earth

Afterwards nothing was done to equalize the cars. In fact, some Audi drivers complained in qualifying that the R4 tires gave too much grip, so they chose R3 instead, and still managed to outpace the rest of the field by over a second.

The Microsoft Pescarolo car driven by Earth was then withdrawn from the series. Hopefully that won't have to happen again.
 
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