GTP's Hot Version Touge Showdown

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I am entering a hyper sedan, do I need to worry

 

[robrabbitman]

I PM'd Mat on this discussion and I believe the Zonda should not be allowed (I explained to him in a very lengthy response why and provided a list of cars that have the same characteristics as the Zondas.) because it is a hypercar. Ask Mat to forward you my response to his question if you want to know what my working definition for a hypercar is, as well as the list of cars in this game that fall under that category (unless he wants to post it here.)

 

[Mat123]

I am entering a hyper sedan, do I need to worry

Define "hyper sedan".

Rob, mind if I post your PM?

 

[XDesperado67]

Define "hyper sedan".

Rob, mind if I post your PM?

GT-R R35...

 

[robrabbitman]

Define "hyper sedan".

Rob, mind if I post your PM?

Not at all. It's lengthy but I think I covered all the necessary bases for what I'd define as a hypercar and why they aren't ever going to be on the touge. 👍

 

[Mat123]

PM from Rob:

"I don't believe it should be allowed. Supercars should be allowed because it is a very broad term, with cars such as the F430, GT-R, Gallardo, R8, and many more falling here. They could be driven to and from the track without sacrificing too much performance or comfort. They are also commonly tracked and not just owned for show or as an investment. He is using the top Zonda model, which I would classify as a hypercar. My working definition for hypercars are powerful cars made with expensive and exotic materials, with sleek, eye-catching styling and a great level of handling (sometimes because of an MR layout). They are produced in limited numbers and sold at very high prices far out of reach of an ordinary consumer. They are designed to simply push the boundaries of performance with no compromise. They are impractical for daily use. The model would very likely be the flagship model for the marque.This does not include variants of vehicles, such as the V Spec editions of Skyline GT-Rs or Honda Type Rs. My list of hypercars featured in this game would be: (Probably missing a few)
Bugatti Veyron
Ferrari Enzo
Ferrari F40
Ford GT
Jaguar XJ220
Lamborghini Murcielago SuperVeloce
Lamborghini Aventador
Lexus LFA
McLaren F1
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
Pagani Zonda
Saleen S7
TVR Cerbera Speed 12"

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Define "hyper sedan".

Rob, mind if I post your PM?

GT-R R35...

PM from Rob:

"I don't believe it should be allowed. Supercars should be allowed because it is a very broad term, with cars such as the F430, GT-R, Gallardo, R8, and many more falling here. They could be driven to and from the track without sacrificing too much performance or comfort. They are also commonly tracked and not just owned for show or as an investment. He is using the top Zonda model, which I would classify as a hypercar. My working definition for hypercars are powerful cars made with expensive and exotic materials, with sleek, eye-catching styling and a great level of handling (sometimes because of an MR layout). They are produced in limited numbers and sold at very high prices far out of reach of an ordinary consumer. They are designed to simply push the boundaries of performance with no compromise. They are impractical for daily use. The model would very likely be the flagship model for the marque.This does not include variants of vehicles, such as the V Spec editions of Skyline GT-Rs or Honda Type Rs. My list of hypercars featured in this game would be: (Probably missing a few)
Bugatti Veyron
Ferrari Enzo
Ferrari F40
Ford GT
Jaguar XJ220
Lamborghini Murcielago SuperVeloce
Lamborghini Aventador
Lexus LFA
McLaren F1
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
Pagani Zonda
Saleen S7
TVR Cerbera Speed 12"

I always thought hyper is less than super, just by the name itself those cars in the list, not all of them super car IMO, the hyper ones would be both Lambos, Veyron, SLR Mclaren, Ford GT ( they are heavy compared to super car ) Hyper for me equals over the top performance but no super level, it's hard for me to explain in words. Super as in super light, super handling, super top speed, super power, super in technology

I am entering an FR sedan with 700+HP and NA engine with 8 speed, you can easily guess - ICode Lexus ISF It's a hyper sedan to me, not super sedan - that would be the ISF racing concept.

 

[Hei]

That is a supercar. There is a huge difference between that and a hyper car. If you have ever driven a Zonda Z 7.3 in GT5, you know I'm actually at a disadvantage. It is more of a yellowbird. None of the cars you listed are hypercars except the F1.

A hyper car is a Buggatti, Venom, or CCXR.

 

[robrabbitman]

That is a supercar. There is a huge difference between that and a hyper car. If you have ever driven a Zonda Z 7.3 in GT5, you know I'm actually at a disadvantage. It is more of a yellowbird. None of the cars you listed are hypercars except the F1.

A hyper car is a Buggatti, Venom, or CCXR.

Most of the lists I found agreed that the Zonda was included. I was reluctant to answer because the Zonda is an axe-murderer, but it'd be better just not having it. Again, the hyper car aspect isn't just about performance, but of its impracticality, price, rarity, exclusivity, materials, luxuries, and performance. I couldn't really find a working definition for the hypercar (or even supercar, Wikipedia lists most cars as just "sports cars") so I had to create one. I'm not the head honcho, so the decision is up to Mat. I just thought I'd share my two cents on the matter so we could try to come up with a working definition of the hypercar so we could figure out what to ban.

 

[Hei]

I agree with no race cars or tuners in TMAX, but restricting anything else make me want to change the name.

 

[Mat123]

Since when did TMax turn into a millionaires battle, by the way?

Anwyays, look. What's in the OP is in the OP. No supercars/hypercars. Period!

Is it that hard to follow? Look, MAX Class is already suffering from the R35. Now we have to suffer from the R35, in a millionaires gathering...

I'm thinking of replacing MAX Class, and adding a 400, and 500 Class.

I dunno.

/will probably get flamed.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Am I in the clear with my ISF ?

 

[Mat123]

Am I in the clear with my ISF ?

The IS F is fine.

 

[Hei]

That sounds about right, and I approve, just don't call anything heavily restricted "MAX".

 

[robrabbitman]

Anwyays, look. What's in the OP is in the OP. No supercars/hypercars. Period!

Is it that hard to follow? Look, MAX Class is already suffering from the R35. Now we have to suffer from the R35, in a millionaires gathering...

I'm thinking of replacing MAX Class, and adding a 400, and 500 Class.

I dunno.

/will probably get flamed.

Yeah, Max seems kind of unfair just because of Gran Turismo's flaws. A Subaru wiped the floor with a GT-R on Hot Version, yet you'd never see than in GT5. I like the idea of a lower power limit because it focuses on tuning average cars to be fast, not super cars to be faster.

Am I in the clear with my ISF ?

I think you should be fine, it's just a sports sedan.

Edit: If we do decide on a higher horsepower class, don't implement it until next season. Everyone's already got their cars ready or at least have their ideas; it'd be a pain to tell them to retune something new right now.

 

[Hei]

That happened in gt5 as well, *cough* Onboy *cough*

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Limiting Tmax to 600HP sounds good to me, what do you think guys ?

I thought that the ISF becomes hyper after having 700+HP engine and dropping a lot of weight

 

[fbccars924]

If we do this I might actually have a chance with my Viper as it's very content in the <800hp range. Especially, with a few suggestions from Onboy. It's based off his tune and I can very easily modify it for the 600hp range. Give me a heads up if the 600hp limit is to be implemented.

 

[XDesperado67]

I know I'm not an active participant in this series currently, but wouldn't the easiest way to determine eligibility be to set a CR limit? Say CR200,000? That would eliminate the majority of the questionable cars and only leave a handful that might need to be decided on a case by case basis.

 

[robrabbitman]

Limiting Tmax to 600HP sounds good to me, what do you think guys ?

I thought that the ISF becomes hyper after having 700+HP engine and dropping a lot of weight

TMax as it is now should be replaced by a T400/T500, but I'm all in favor for a simple any road-going car venture: no car restrictions as long as it is a street car and not a tuner car.

I'm basing my opinion on how the car comes as standard.

I know I'm not an active participant in this series currently, but wouldn't the easiest way to determine eligibility be to set a CR limit? Say CR200,000? That would eliminate the majority of the questionable cars and only leave a handful that might need to be decided on a case by case basis.

I think this has been discussed before, but it could potentially work.

 

[Mat123]

I know I'm not an active participant in this series currently, but wouldn't the easiest way to determine eligibility be to set a CR limit? Say CR200,000? That would eliminate the majority of the questionable cars and only leave a handful that might need to be decided on a case by case basis.

Season 3 will definitely need this! 👍

 

[fbccars924]

I know I'm not an active participant in this series currently, but wouldn't the easiest way to determine eligibility be to set a CR limit? Say CR200,000? That would eliminate the majority of the questionable cars and only leave a handful that might need to be decided on a case by case basis.

Fully modded my Viper would barely break that limit and It's faster than an Enzo. Granted, my entry Viper isn't fully modded and is as it sits a tad slower than a similarly modded Enzo.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm pointing out that money is meaningless when it comes to performance. If you know what to look for you can build a car that dominates nearly and Street car based RACING series and a majority of Hypercars in a race. I think a T600 class as opposed to a Tmax would be the best as it leaves us room for very high powered cars and very fast times while maintaining the street ability of the cars because Honestly how many 600+hp STREET cars do you see on a day to day basis just cruising around.

 

[Hei]

Quite a few as many retired folks in modified muscle cars in my area. The zr1 down the road is over that stock.

 

[Onboy123]

So in the end, it still comes down to making a T400/500 class huh. Can I say "I told you so"?

And Hei, you're fighting a fight that was over before you even started. It did say 'no super/hyper cars' in the OP, all you had to do was read that and then figure out where your Zonda stands, and none of this would have come out, no?

 

[robrabbitman]

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm pointing out that money is meaningless when it comes to performance. .

I think I have to agree here.

Mat, I have a suggestion before we move on to Season 3 (If we do) How about tuning challenges? We define the drivetrain limits, and tuners enter their cars accordingly?

 

[Mat123]

So in the end, it still comes down to making a T400/500 class huh. Can I say "I told you so"?

Why not?

Sounds like a good idea, Rob.

So, separate classes? FF, FR/MR/RR, AWD?

 

[fbccars924]

^ I like that idea. Have a standard limit for HP somewhere in the area of 5-600 which would eliminate any thing that may be considered a Super/Hyper car and still gives us a lot of power to make some seriously fast cars in each catagory. I think that the MR,RR and FR's could be bunched together though.

 

[Hei]

So in the end, it still comes down to making a T400/500 class huh. Can I say "I told you so"?

And Hei, you're fighting a fight that was over before you even started. It did say 'no super/hyper cars' in the OP, all you had to do was read that and then figure out where your Zonda stands, and none of this would have come out, no?

I wanted to try I knew it would never win or be the fastest, I just wanted people to enjoy driving it.

 

[XDesperado67]

Why not?

Sounds like a good idea, Rob.

So, separate classes? FF, FR/MR/RR, AWD?

Maybe do an extended season where you have the seperate drivetrains for the regular season classes then have an end of season championship where the top cars of each drivetrain type square off for the title.

 

[Onboy123]

Why not?

Sounds like a good idea, Rob.

So, separate classes? FF, FR/MR/RR, AWD?

Edit: Screwed up. forget this.

@Hei, you want to try something that breaks rules because it seemed fun&#8230;is that not like trying to sneak your notes into the exams with you because it seems more fun?