GTP's Official FIFA 2006 World Cup Thread (Now with Results!)

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ExigeExcel
Forgot about the Olympic stadium. The olympics should also proove England has the infrastructure for a major event.

I can see why they'd reduce the capacity, you really don't need a golaith stadium for athletics, but what are they gonna do with all that space!?
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Knowing New Labour, it has probably already been sold to an American billionaire who will turn it into a super-casino...
 
Touring Mars
Knowing New Labour, it has probably already been sold to an American billionaire who will turn it into a super-casino...
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:lol:

Raise the floor so a casino goes underneath and put an athletics stadium above. Excellent.
 
The plural of stadium is STADIA...

Gah!

Oh, and don't forget Hillsborough, a 39,859 all-seater for a non-top-flight club (and the 17th highest average attendances for the whole football league last season - highest in the division).
 
ExigeExcel
Because terraces are still allowed in the Bundesliga alot of the German stadia had pitiful crowd capacities compared to Premiership grounds.

Glasgow (Ibrox)- 50, 411
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True the crowds weren't as good as they could be in the UK. But that wasn't down to the stadiums being terraced. The stadiums must be small anyway.

I quoted Ibrox from your post for example. When that was all terraced, it had a 120,000 capacity.
 
Famine
The plural of stadium is STADIA...

Gah!
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I made sure it was Satdia during my big post :D Just slipped abit in the posts to TM.
Famine[b
Oh, and don't forget Hillsborough, a 39,859 all-seater for a non-top-flight club (and the 17th highest average attendances for the whole football league last season - highest in the division).[/b]
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Never even thought of it. Though it is just the wrong side of 40,000 aswell.

Dunc
True the crowds weren't as good as they could be in the UK. But that wasn't down to the stadiums being terraced. The stadiums must be small anyway.

I quoted Ibrox from your post for example. When that was all terraced, it had a 120,000 capacity.
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While the original capacity figures with terraces would have been great, when the terraces were replaced capacity was severly reduced. And it was the without terraces figures I meant were pitiful.
 
The new FIFA World Rankings have been published, putting England up to 5th in the world - Brazil stay top, but Italy jump from 13th to 2nd...

Article...
 
As far as I know, the host country must have

- 10 stadia (stadiums?) in 10 different towns
- 1 stadium with at least 70.000 seats for the final
- 2 stadia with at least 50.000 seats for the two semi finals
- 10 stadia overall with at least 40.000 (30.000?) seats (no stadium with less than 40.000 (30.000?) seats can be a "FIFA WC stadium")

Important: All seats have to be dry in case of rain. So all stadia must have a roof that covers the seats.

The capacity of each stadium during WC games is normally lower than normal because of TV crews from over 200 countries.

Then the WC is hosted "all over the country". Towns like Düsseldorf or Mönchengladbach have very good new Football-only-stadia but were not chosen because of Dortmund, Cologne and Gelsenkirchen (these 5 towns lie all in the same region). Instead, Leipzig and Hannover became "FIFA towns".

If England gets the WC, there won´t be games in two different stadia in London, even if both stadia have a capacity of more than 80.000 seats.
 
I think Spain and England should swap places. No disrespect to England or anything. It's really too bad Spain shut down against France.
 
Famine

Oh, and don't forget Hillsborough, a 39,859 all-seater for a non-top-flight club (and the 17th highest average attendances for the whole football league last season - highest in the division).
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I believe Elland Road has a capacity of just over 40,000, so could potentially make the list. I'm quite surprised to see Wednesday had a higher average attendance than Leeds last year. I know they're both very loyal fans but I thought we usually shade it. :sly:
 
BTW, my German-English/English-German dictionary says:

stadium pl.: stadiums, stadia / das Stadion Pl.: die Stadien


I think the next WC in Europe will be in England. It won´t be Germany for sure. France got it in 1998, Italy in 1990 and Spain in 1982. Therefore England.
 
RouWa
As far as I know, the host country must have

- 10 stadia (stadiums?) in 10 different towns
- 1 stadium with at least 70.000 seats for the final
- 2 stadia with at least 50.000 seats for the two semi finals
- 10 stadia overall with at least 40.000 (30.000?) seats (no stadium with less than 40.000 (30.000?) seats can be a "FIFA WC stadium")

Important: All seats have to be dry in case of rain. So all stadia must have a roof that covers the seats.
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10? When I read about the SA world cup they said they only needed 8 but SA authorities said they'd do 10.

The capacity of each stadium during WC games is normally lower than normal because of TV crews from over 200 countries.
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Yeah I remember seeing the rows and rows of commentators.

Then the WC is hosted "all over the country". Towns like Düsseldorf or Mönchengladbach have very good new Football-only-stadia but were not chosen because of Dortmund, Cologne and Gelsenkirchen (these 5 towns lie all in the same region). Instead, Leipzig and Hannover became "FIFA towns".

If England gets the WC, there won´t be games in two different stadia in London, even if both stadia have a capacity of more than 80.000 seats.
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Well then England will probably never host the World cup again by those standards. England doesn't have 10 cities capabale of supporting a fairly large stadium (Liverpool and Manchester are very close) and any alliance with Wales/Scotland will only lead to one more city (well maybe 2 for Scotland).

I think that England is half the size to Germany and the south west of void of any large football clubs (or cities for that matter).
 
ExigeExcel
Well then England will probably never host the World cup again by those standards. England doesn't have 10 cities capabale of supporting a fairly large stadium (Liverpool and Manchester are very close) and any alliance with Wales/Scotland will only lead to one more city (well maybe 2 for Scotland).

I think that England is half the size to Germany and the south west of void of any large football clubs (or cities for that matter).
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For 40,000+, in different cities, we have:

Wembley Stadium (London) - 90,000
Old Trafford (Manchester - Manchester United) - 76,000
Stanley Park (Liverpool - Liverpool) - 61,000
St. James' Park (Newcastle-upon-Tyne - Newcastle United) - 52,387
Stadium of Light (Sunderland - Sunderland) - 49,000
Villa Park (Birmingham - Aston Villa) - 42,573
Elland Road (Leeds - Leeds United) - 40,269

For 30,000+, in different cities, we can add:
Hillsborough (Sheffield - Sheffield Wednesday) - 39,859
Riverside Stadium (Middlesbrough - Middlesbrough) - 35,100
Pride Park (Derby - Derby County) - 33,597
Ricoh Arena (Coventry - Coventry City) - 32,500
Walkers Stadium (Leicester - Leicester City) - 32,500
St. Mary's (Southampton - Southampton) - 32,251
Ewood Park (Blackburn - Blackburn Rovers) - 31,367
City Ground (Nottingham - Nottingham Forest) - 30,602
Portman Road (Ipswich - Ipswich Town) - 30,300

Portsmouth are redeveloping Fratton Park next summer to a 35,000 capacity stadium. Hillsborough, with a little Lottery money, could join the ranks of the 40,000+ with absolutely no trouble at all. Wembley Stadium, as a National Stadium (most other countries move their International fixtures - we're one of the few that don't), would not preclude another stadium being selected in London, in which case the Emirates Stadium (60,000) would be on the list too.

So that's eight concrete 40,000+ stadia, with another probably on the list, and a selection of mid-30,000s for the group with no really big team in it (there's always one).
 
In Englands football stadia the first row of seats is almost at the line of the field. I like this very much, because of the better atmosphere. But in a WC the operator of a stadium must ensure no fan (especially naked ones) can enter the field. This means building fences or leaving the first rows empty. In Germany stadia fences are standard and still some idiots were able to enter the field during the Confed Cup last year. So they put more than 100 security guards along the lines at each game of this WC. Did you see the tight security ring during the last game in Berlin? Three rows of security on the 400m track around the field. This is the only problem I see with british stadia. It is not possible to keep people off the field if they really want to enter it.
 
Famine
For 40,000+, in different cities, we have:

Wembley Stadium (London) - 90,000
Old Trafford (Manchester - Manchester United) - 76,000
Stanley Park (Liverpool - Liverpool) - 61,000
St. James' Park (Newcastle-upon-Tyne - Newcastle United) - 52,387
Stadium of Light (Sunderland - Sunderland) - 49,000
Villa Park (Birmingham - Aston Villa) - 42,573
Elland Road (Leeds - Leeds United) - 40,269
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I forgot about Liverpool's plans to replace Anfield, so I was abit confused when I saw Stanley Park, but Wiki cleared it up

5 of those stadiums are rather far north, 2 covering teh extreme north. Hardly spreads out the stadiums does it?

Famine
For 30,000+, in different cities, we can add:
Hillsborough (Sheffield - Sheffield Wednesday) - 39,859
Riverside Stadium (Middlesbrough - Middlesbrough) - 35,100
Pride Park (Derby - Derby County) - 33,597
Ricoh Arena (Coventry - Coventry City) - 32,500
Walkers Stadium (Leicester - Leicester City) - 32,500
St. Mary's (Southampton - Southampton) - 32,251
Ewood Park (Blackburn - Blackburn Rovers) - 31,367
City Ground (Nottingham - Nottingham Forest) - 30,602
Portman Road (Ipswich - Ipswich Town) - 30,300

Portsmouth are redeveloping Fratton Park next summer to a 35,000 capacity stadium. Hillsborough, with a little Lottery money, could join the ranks of the 40,000+ with absolutely no trouble at all.
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Fratton park would need to hit 40,000 to be considered a WC stadium.

Hillsborough shows plenty of room for increased capacity, especially as only 1 of the corners is filled.

Wembley Stadium, as a National Stadium (most other countries move their International fixtures - we're one of the few that don't), would not preclude another stadium being selected in London, in which case the Emirates Stadium (60,000) would be on the list too.
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I think a second London stadium will be neccesary. And there's no better choice than Emirates for that.

So that's eight concrete 40,000+ stadia, with another probably on the list, and a selection of mid-30,000s for the group with no really big team in it (there's always one).
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I think that the main concernis the distribution of the stadiums. Manchester-Liverpool and Newcastle-Sunderland are pretty close to each other.
 
I think that the main concernis the distribution of the stadiums. Manchester-Liverpool and Newcastle-Sunderland are pretty close to each other.
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Two different cities, no problem. The manager of Schalke (Gelsenkirchen) can see the stadium of Dortmund if looks out of his window.

Düsseldorf and Mönchengladbach were not chosen because there have been alternatives like Hannover or Leipzig. Two stadia in one town might be possible, but it is not fair if you have (let´s say) 20 cities with suitable stadia.

BTW: What is the current situation in London?

There will be the new Wembley with 95.000 seats.
Then there is this Rugby stadium for the final game of FA cup (80.000 seats).
Plus the two stadia of Chelsea and Arsenal?!
Plus another one for the Olympic games?

That´s crazy!
 
RouWa
Two different cities, no problem. The manager of Schalke (Gelsenkirchen) can see the stadium of Dortmund if looks out of his window.

Düsseldorf and Mönchengladbach were not chosen because there have been alternatives like Hannover or Leipzig. Two stadia in one town might be possible, but it is not fair if you have (let´s say) 20 cities with suitable stadia.
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Okay fair enough. You seem to know how it works more than most people.

And regarding the crowd security. I think in Champions league matches the front few rows are covered so no-one can sit in them. And you can usually see a dense line of stewards stretched around the pitch.
 
Let me tell you how the stadia were chosen for the WC 2006.

After Germany won against SA, an organization commission (OK in german) was appointed.

The members were (funktion in brackets):

* Franz Beckenbauer: president of the OK (Bayern Munich)
* Horst R. Schmidt: 1st vize president of the OK (secretary general DFB)
* Wolfgang Niersbach: 2nd vize president of the OK (journalist)
* Dr. Theo Zwanziger: 2nd vize president of the OK (management board member DFB)

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* Gerhard Mayer-Vorfelder (president of the DFB, the german football association)
* Wolfgang Schäuble (home secretary of Germany)
* Dr. Thomas Bach (IOC vize president)
* Günter Netzer (Infront Sports & Media Inc.)
* Werner Hackmann (president of the DFL, the german football league)
* Wilfried Straub (previous CEO of the DFL)
* Engelbert Nelle (vize president amateurs, DFB)
* Manfred Maus (industrialist)
* Heinrich Schmidhuber (treasurer of the DFB)
* Otto Schily (member of parliament)
* Manfred von Richthofen (president for the german sports association)
* Dr. h.c. Egidius Braun (honorary president of the DFB)
* Dr. Klaus Steinbach (president NOK)
* Herbert Hainer (CEO Adidas-Salomon Inc.)
* Dr. h. c. Erich Schumann (CEO of a news magazine)
* Michel Platini (baguette eater)
* Prof. Dr. Roman Herzog (former president of Germany)
* Lennart Johansson (president of the UEFA)
* Dr. Peter Danckert (member of parliament)
* Thomas Röwekamp (?)
* Dr. Christina Weiss (?)
* Hans Ludwig Grüschow (?)

Those guys made all decisions. They were the ones to chose the towns and stadia. They were the ones that dropped Bremen, Leverkusen, Mönchengladbach, Düsseldorf and some other ones I have forgotten by now. They were the ones responsible for EVERYTHING else. The FIFA had no influence on the decisions of the OK.
 
RouWa
In Englands football stadia the first row of seats is almost at the line of the field. I like this very much, because of the better atmosphere. But in a WC the operator of a stadium must ensure no fan (especially naked ones) can enter the field. This means building fences or leaving the first rows empty. In Germany stadia fences are standard and still some idiots were able to enter the field during the Confed Cup last year. So they put more than 100 security guards along the lines at each game of this WC. Did you see the tight security ring during the last game in Berlin? Three rows of security on the 400m track around the field. This is the only problem I see with british stadia. It is not possible to keep people off the field if they really want to enter it.
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Odd, talking about stadium perimeter fences and Hillsborough in the same thread, but claiming them as a "good thing"...

In the UK, walking on a football pitch without clearance is an offence of criminal trespass - an imprisonable offence. This tends to keep people off, except in the case of celebration at the end of a match in lower-league clubs.


25,000+ Seat Stadia in London:
Wembley (mainly football) - 90,000
Twickenham (mainly rugby) - 82,000
Emirates Stadium (Arsenal FC) - 60,000
Stamford Bridge (Chelsea FC) - 42,449
White Hart Lane (Tottenham Hotspur FC) - 36,214
Upton Park/Boleyn Ground (West Ham United FC) - 35,647
Selhurst Park (Crystal Palace FC) - 26,039

The FA Cup Final is currently held at The Millennium Stadium in Cardiff (Wales) with a capacity of 74,500.

The 80,000 seat proposed Olympic Stadium, in East London, is to be converted to a 25,000 seater after the Olympics.

Wimbledon's two main courts - Court 1 and Centre Court - hold 25,000 between them.

The former Millennium Dome is proposed to hold 17,000 for Olympic gymnastic events - and is still the largest single-roof structure in the world.


EE - Anyone will tell you that football, in England, is a northern game. You've got six London clubs in the Premiership and three others in "the south" (Watford, Portsmouth, Reading). The next nearest club to London is Aston Villa, in Birmingham, 90 minutes' drive away, and the remaining ten are dotted liberally around the north. This is reflected by the stadia I mentioned - and the fact that the list I made only excludes one club from the 40,000+ section by way of being in London.
 
I can't wait for the Joga Bonito commercial to come on that says, "America, The world looks forward to playing you again."
 
Odd, talking about stadium perimeter fences and Hillsborough in the same thread, but claiming them as a "good thing"...
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Stadium perimeter fences are stupid. A few german clubs plan to remove them but...

In the UK, walking on a football pitch without clearance is an offence of criminal trespass - an imprisonable offence.
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...in Germany it is not an offence. The clubs can only kick those people out of their stada and stop them from entering the stadia again (order to stay away from a house). This will not stop those people...
 
Does the UK still regularly have hooliganism or has that fad passed already?
 

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