[GTR2][RACE] GTR2Series Season 2 - Good Ending vs. Sad Air Horn

[rallymorten]

OP updated with deadline for submission of final primary/secondary liveries. Livery scheduling form included as well.

I've also (as much as I could) made the appropriate edits and background work to make the secondary liveries I have appear in the right places. It should be said, however, that some of those that have already responded to the form and asked for a secondary livery to be run in X rounds haven't submitted one yet, while others have a secondary livery but either not responded or apparently forgot that they have one. In the case of the latter, unless things change before the deadline, I'll run your primary all season long and you'll have wasted your work on the secondary. In case of the former, you have until the deadline to sent it in and I'll include it.

Sebring will hopefully happen next week.

 

[swiftsmith]

I have two schemes correct?

 

[rallymorten]

I have two schemes correct?

You should know just as well as I.

But yes, you do.

 

[swiftsmith]

You should know just as well as I.

But yes, you do.

I forgot if I did or not.

 

[rallymorten]

BoP adjustments have been made, with these being the main points:

- Fuel usage should now be dead-on the same. Due to the huge difference in grip on new/used tyres, those always being changed at pit stops and the lack of strategic skill in the AI, we saw at Grand Valley (and indeed throughout last season) what happens when one driver pits before another: they're back ahead before the other comes in for their stop. This, in this seasons case, I found to be mostly due to the difference in fuel economy between the manufacturers (and the occational case of the AI thinking "let's fix this damage" and actually showing signs of intelligence (because yes, they do sometimes)). To even it out as best as humanly possible without delving into the darkness of the AI programming, I've simply made everything related to fuel exactly the same for all cars. Each of them should in theory make it to at least 200km before running dry.

- Power has been adjusted on BMW and Porsche. I sent them all three out to Sebring for pre-race tests and found that, compared to the Ferrari, the BMW was slightly too slow and the Porsche waaaaayyy too fast (it was running around 2:02 laps, with the Ferrari and BMW clocking 2:09 and 2:10, respectively) over a single lap (and I actually think Sebring can be used as a decent gauge for a wide variety of track types because it has a little bit of everything). New specs are as follows:

BMW:
Rev limit: 8000 RPM
440 hp @ 7750 RPM
324 ft-lb @ 6500 RPM
1170 kg

Ferrari:
Rev limit: 8950 RPM
430 hp @ 8800 rpm
290 ft-lb @ 6600 rpm
1100 kg

Porsche:
Rev limit: 8400 RPM
430 hp @ 8000 rpm
296 ft-lb @ 6250 rpm
1100 kg

 

[Crashbroke23]

What are the aero drag values for each car? That always plays a big role in GTR2 for general performance for the Ai cars.

 

[rallymorten]

What are the aero drag values for each car? That always plays a big role in GTR2 for general performance for the Ai cars.

According to my snooping around, they're similar, but not dead-on the same, and, as I said, I do intend on leaving some room for the cars to be different. For instance, it shouldn't come as a surprise that the Porsche and Ferrari cut through the air better because they're more streamlined than the BMW.

That being said, if at any point every other balancing option has failed, I will go as far as to manipulate the laws of mass and stuff.

On a slightly related note, as the 24 Hours of Le Mans is coming up (first on rFactor, then in real life - both of which I plan on watching for as much as possible), I may end up doing Sebring and Barcelona during the week and then see how the schedule fits in with everything.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

According to my snooping around, they're similar, but not dead-on the same, and, as I said, I do intend on leaving some room for the cars to be different. For instance, it shouldn't come as a surprise that the Porsche and Ferrari cut through the air better because they're more streamlined than the BMW.

That being said, if at any point every other balancing option has failed, I will go as far as to manipulate the laws of mass and stuff.

On a slightly related note, as the 24 Hours of Le Mans is coming up (first on rFactor, then in real life - both of which I plan on watching for as much as possible), I may end up doing Sebring and Barcelona during the week and then see how the schedule fits in with everything.

So you're doing the first two races in a row, right? Then that means that you need to get you-know-what prepared for Barça... Also, I'd also keep the aero as a last resort for balancing, you never know.

 

[rallymorten]

So you're doing the first two races in a row, right? Then that means that you need to get you-know-what prepared for Barça... Also, I'd also keep the aero as a last resort for balancing, you never know.

More like Sebring at some point between the two Le Mans' and Barcelona in the week following, but yes, that's the general idea.

And yes, ze projekt is almost finished, if only I could think of a good one..

 

[Niku Driver HC]

More like Sebring at some point between the two Le Mans' and Barcelona in the week following, but yes, that's the general idea.

And yes, ze projekt is almost finished, if only I could think of a good one..

Well, if you can't think of a good solution, just use the TKU solution. (Aka Aadvark Bold) Just saying.

 

[rallymorten]

Further spec tests have been conducted and a few minor tweaks have been made.

So yes, the specs have basically changed completely once again.

New specs:

Spoiler: BMW

Max. Power: 430hp @ 7750
Max. Torque: 317ft-lb @ 6500

Spoiler: Ferrari

Max. Power: 410hp @ 8800
Max. Torque: 277ft-lb @ 6500

Spoiler: Porsche

Max. Power: 415hp @ 8000
Max. Torque: 285ft-lb @ 6500

Notes from testing:

First off, I took the cars back to Sebring, with the Ferrari slightly ahead of the BMW and Porsche about half a second down. I noted that the Ferrari and BMW seemed to be extremely similar in many ways, but that the Porsche would reach slightly higher speeds when pointed at a straight - better cornering or just better acceleration?

I couldn't just leave it there, so I took them to Monza as well. The results were slightly surprising, as the Porsche (as expected, perhaps?) was faster than the Ferrari, but slower than the BMW.

Final test was an acceleration test, from 0 to 100 and 200 km/h. These are the times:

What can we conclude from all this, you ask?

Here's what my conclusion is:

- The BMW is slightly better in low-speed acceleration, mainly due to its 1st gear extending to beyond 100km/h. That, and I suspect it to be slightly better in high-speed corners due to the extra drag (and thus downforce) it creates.

- The Ferrari is moved down to the all-rounder-role, where it doesn't particularly excel in anything but performs decent in most situations. Still has the highest overall top speed, but has some trouble reaching it.

- The Porsche is the king of the mid-high-speed accelerations and is the most easily reaching higher speeds. Seems to be a little slower through some turns, though.

I'm beginning to run out of reasonable ideas on how to make this closer yet retain some of that GT racing charm.

 

[raven214]

Further spec tests have been conducted and a few minor tweaks have been made.

So yes, the specs have basically changed completely once again.

New specs:

Spoiler: BMW

View attachment 381521
Max. Power: 430hp @ 7750
Max. Torque: 317ft-lb @ 6500

Spoiler: Ferrari

View attachment 381522
Max. Power: 410hp @ 8800
Max. Torque: 277ft-lb @ 6500

Spoiler: Porsche

View attachment 381523
Max. Power: 415hp @ 8000
Max. Torque: 285ft-lb @ 6500

Notes from testing:

First off, I took the cars back to Sebring, with the Ferrari slightly ahead of the BMW and Porsche about half a second down. I noted that the Ferrari and BMW seemed to be extremely similar in many ways, but that the Porsche would reach slightly higher speeds when pointed at a straight - better cornering or just better acceleration?

I couldn't just leave it there, so I took them to Monza as well. The results were slightly surprising, as the Porsche (as expected, perhaps?) was faster than the Ferrari, but slower than the BMW.

Final test was an acceleration test, from 0 to 100 and 200 km/h. These are the times:

View attachment 381560

What can we conclude from all this, you ask?

Here's what my conclusion is:

- The BMW is slightly better in low-speed acceleration, mainly due to its 1st gear extending to beyond 100km/h. That, and I suspect it to be slightly better in high-speed corners due to the extra drag (and thus downforce) it creates.

- The Ferrari is moved down to the all-rounder-role, where it doesn't particularly excel in anything but performs decent in most situations. Still has the highest overall top speed, but has some trouble reaching it.

- The Porsche is the king of the mid-high-speed accelerations and is the most easily reaching higher speeds. Seems to be a little slower through some turns, though.

I'm beginning to run out of reasonable ideas on how to make this closer yet retain some of that GT racing charm.

As long as each car is good at something, and there are a variety of tracks, then we'll all be good somewhere. That's probably the most you can hope for. Regardless, I appreciate your efforts. 👍

 

[Niku Driver HC]

Further spec tests have been conducted and a few minor tweaks have been made.

So yes, the specs have basically changed completely once again.

New specs:

Spoiler: BMW

View attachment 381521
Max. Power: 430hp @ 7750
Max. Torque: 317ft-lb @ 6500

Spoiler: Ferrari

View attachment 381522
Max. Power: 410hp @ 8800
Max. Torque: 277ft-lb @ 6500

Spoiler: Porsche

View attachment 381523
Max. Power: 415hp @ 8000
Max. Torque: 285ft-lb @ 6500

Notes from testing:

First off, I took the cars back to Sebring, with the Ferrari slightly ahead of the BMW and Porsche about half a second down. I noted that the Ferrari and BMW seemed to be extremely similar in many ways, but that the Porsche would reach slightly higher speeds when pointed at a straight - better cornering or just better acceleration?

I couldn't just leave it there, so I took them to Monza as well. The results were slightly surprising, as the Porsche (as expected, perhaps?) was faster than the Ferrari, but slower than the BMW.

Final test was an acceleration test, from 0 to 100 and 200 km/h. These are the times:

View attachment 381560

What can we conclude from all this, you ask?

Here's what my conclusion is:

- The BMW is slightly better in low-speed acceleration, mainly due to its 1st gear extending to beyond 100km/h. That, and I suspect it to be slightly better in high-speed corners due to the extra drag (and thus downforce) it creates.

- The Ferrari is moved down to the all-rounder-role, where it doesn't particularly excel in anything but performs decent in most situations. Still has the highest overall top speed, but has some trouble reaching it.

- The Porsche is the king of the mid-high-speed accelerations and is the most easily reaching higher speeds. Seems to be a little slower through some turns, though.

I'm beginning to run out of reasonable ideas on how to make this closer yet retain some of that GT racing charm.

Well, first of all, here's a medal for your effort, effort which has been top notch:

Now that such a thing is out of the way, it has to be said; you have touched just about anything short of aerodynamics and/or other tuneable parts in order to balance the three cars out. And while that is a hard task, you haven't really been deterred by it, which is commendable. Really, as raven said, you can't really do much more to balance things out even further. Unless you're willing to actually touch each car's setup, but that might more hard work than what it's worth. So, just trust on the different tracks and the unpredictable A.I. to do the rest.

But really, top job, you deserve a pat on the back and the (virtual) medal I gave you. 👍

 

[rallymorten]

Thanks guys, good to know that it's not a complete waste of time 👍

Now that such a thing is out of the way, it has to be said; you have touched just about anything short of aerodynamics and/or other tuneable parts in order to balance the three cars out. And while that is a hard task, you haven't really been deterred by it, which is commendable. Really, as raven said, you can't really do much more to balance things out even further. Unless you're willing to actually touch each car's setup, but that might more hard work than what it's worth.

Yeah, as I said, the only way we can get much closer to complete equality is by making them run the exact same engine with the exact same setup and the exact same drag values. As far as I'm aware, anything but the latter will do nothing but break everything further

That, and, like I also said, it's a common thing in racing (particularly when you have cars as different as these - 1 FR, 1 MR, 1 RR - doesn't get much more varied in GT racing) for cars to be similar, yet still have specific traits. I think/hope the current selection can be used as a foundation for not just this season, but perhaps what lies beyond aswell. But we'd come pretty close to breaking my own record if I (officially) started worrying about S3 now

So, just trust on the different tracks and the unpredictable A.I. to do the rest.

Well, if last season is anything to go by, we'll be having no trouble in this area

 

[RACECAR]

Due to my other laptop (which has photoshop as well as all my paint schemes for every series I'm in) acting up, I'll be unable to send in my other schemes before the deadline.

 

[rallymorten]

I'm always willing to take force majeure into account, only this does mean that you can't run your secondary until I have it.

@Gerarghini's car is also m.i.a.

 

[rallymorten]

So, how's everyone doing on this fine Sunday evening? Had a good day? What have you been doing today?

Let me tell you all right away that I've been grinding my gears (which doesn't happen often) over performing the same steps over and over and over in order to get the Spotter Guide done. It is a bit raw or crude in style, but it gets the job done. From here on out, you shouldn't expect updates to the guide to be more than inclusion of Spa liveries and maybe a few tweaks here and there.

You know where to find it.


In other news, if @Gerarghini doesn't have a livery within 48 hours from now, his name will be taken off the list.

 

[Harsk100]

So, how's everyone doing on this fine Sunday evening? Had a good day? What have you been doing today?

Let me tell you all right away that I've been grinding my gears (which doesn't happen often) over performing the same steps over and over and over in order to get the Spotter Guide done. It is a bit raw or crude in style, but it gets the job done. From here on out, you shouldn't expect updates to the guide to be more than inclusion of Spa liveries and maybe a few tweaks here and there.

You know where to find it.


In other news, if @Gerarghini doesn't have a livery within 48 hours from now, his name will be taken off the list.

I'm alright. Yes, I had an normal day. 👍

I have been making some montages.

 

[Jahgee]

I'm alright. Yes, I had an normal day. 👍

I have been making some montages.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

Oh Jahgee. Never change, you crazy sod.

As for Spotter Guide woes, the new version is a bit crude, but is organized, if anything. So the loss of professionalism is a minor issue when it comes to looks, because everything else is good enough.

Also, this.

 

[BKGlover]

In other news, if @Gerarghini doesn't have a livery within 48 hours from now, his name will be taken off the list.

What's he driving, what's the number?

 

[rallymorten]

What's he driving, what's the number?

38.

Guess I could just add him to the punishment schemes for the sake of having 30 cars on the grid

 

[BKGlover]

Give this a shot @rallymorten .

 

[Gerarghini]

I guarantee you I'll have the scheme ready by the time the 48 hour mark reaches zero

 

[Niku Driver HC]

I guarantee you I'll have the scheme ready by the time the 48 hour mark reaches zero

Better speed things up then, Rambo. Lest you want to be running the Pisswasser car or something like that...

And speaking of cars...

UNVEILING ON YOUR CANDY A:censored:, BRAH! Ahem...

H.Costa unveils secondary livery for GTR2's RACE GT Series; announces special livery for Spa in the process.

Once again, the #76 Ferrari of Portuguese driver H.Costa has attracted attention; this time in order to unveil the secondary livery for several European rounds, starting from the second round in Barcelona, Spain.

Not much is known about the mysterious sponsor that adorns the white hood of the #76; Costa only spoke a few words from the founder of the Organization of the Zodiac, or OZ for short. Refering to him as "Mr. Thirteen", the Portuguese driver mentioned that the Luxemborg-based organization showed great interested in joining Bandai Namco as the main sponsor of the team, and that they also aided with the team's budget for the championship. In return, Costa asked for the car to pay hommage to one of the personal hobbies of "Mr. Thirteen", painting the car in a blue and white combination, while once again calling upon the services of Bandai Namco's gaming franchise, Gundam Extreme VS, which also appears in the main livery used in the series. While this new livery will be used in most European rounds, Costa denied any possibilities of it appearing in the season-ending race at the Spa circuit in Belgium. While speaking to journalists, Costa mentioned that "I have another sponsorship deal for Spa, only fitting considering the country where the race will be held", and that "Even Mr. Thirteen approved of this, and did not pose any problems with accepting this deal". For now, the Portuguese driver reserved himself from speaking any further regarding this, but we will try to get more information when it appears.

More pictures, credit of said pictures going to some Danish bear (it's actually @rallymorten, but don't tell him. ):

Try to guess what inspired me to ask morten for this livery. I'll give you a hint; you need to look "behind" this idea quite well...

 

[Suzumiya]

I will have my Spa livery in the coming days...it's a bit more in the BayneHammy styles of things than the primary one.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

I will have my Spa livery in the coming days...it's a bit more in the BayneHammy styles of things than the primary one.

Going to anime it up, aren't we? Either that or you're getting Autobacs sponsorship for that car of yours...

 

[Suzumiya]

Going to anime it up, aren't we? Either that or you're getting Autobacs sponsorship for that car of yours...

You'll see soon enough.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

You'll see soon enough.

Oh you.

Care to guess what made me think of the idea that led to my secondary livery? Come on, try it. I dare you.

 

[Suzumiya]

...I'm actually drawing a blank.