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[Wardez]

It is optional, I just don't think ely knew he had the option.

 

[doctsuru_69]

Ah ok, tnx for clarrifying Wardez. 👍

 

[Paginas1]

hey guys,

hope all is well, just got some free time sitting around the pool. I've been super busy in SA, I've been in bed and asleep at 09.30pm lol, I'm never asleep at early back home.

if anybody hasn't been in SA and then to Kruger Park well damn you need to buy a flight now its amazing to see wild animals so close to your car. I saw 4 of the "Big 5": Elephant, rhino, buffalo and leopard couldn't find the damn lions LOL.
we even saw cheetah which is super rare, such a beautiful animal.
anyway I'll stop blabing...

how's the racing going, have I missed anything important

 

[xStretch-]

Glad your having fun Vaginas!

SA is meant to be awesome

 

[GV27]

By the way guys; I'd need the various useful links. You know, qualifying table; standings' table, etc.

 

[Litchi]

they are here man 👍

 

[GV27]

Thanks, perfect!!

 

[Litchi]

Wanted:
PAL GT300 Sprint Race D2 Results
PAL GT500 Sprint Race D2 Results
NTSC GT500 Feature Race D1 Results
NTSC GT500 Sprint Race D1 Results

If you don't share results, I clearly can't do anything for you guys...

 

[will-i-am]

I'll get you pics of the results here in a few if there not posted already by then.

 

[NJ72]

hey will, have posted the GT300 PAL results on the event thread

 

[Litchi]

thanks guys

 

[NEPALII]

Any updates on the final, official results? I want to start practicing tomorrow.

 

[Otsdarva]

Glad your having fun Vaginas!

SA is meant to be awesome

I know it's a typo, but I'm dying over here!

 

[overheating]

With things like this in the News section, I am very surprised there aren't more people interested in this series. I would be stoked to get one of these dropped off at my pad. I have a solid rig for my G-27 (see signature) but would love the adjust-ability.

 

[Litchi]

Any updates on the final, official results? I want to start practicing tomorrow.

Current ballast (and final) is listed here

Oh, btw, the Gara '08 orginal spec is now 1180kg

 

[NEPALII]

Current ballast (and final) is listed here

Oh, btw, the Gara '08 orginal spec is now 1180kg

Why 1180KG? Come on don't start changing specs now...

 

[Litchi]

Yeah, 5kg. We have to do that cause weight on the room regulations only goes 10 by 10. So if you have 30kg ballast, we can't check 1205kg, we can only check 1200kg or 1210kg.

And nah, only 5kg man, I don't think this will have i big incidence on your car...

 

[NEPALII]

The season already started and the specs were said to be final. There was time to test things out, not my fault this problem was overlooked. Me or anyone else driving the garayia shouldn't be punished by that.

The problem here is the ballast system. It should have went at 45, 35, 25, and so on, so the Garayia would end its weight with a 0. Im sorry but Im not putting an extra 5KG where other cars don't have it. The competition is really close and any slight change can make a huge difference.

If you want to make a change, which still wouldn't be the right thing to do, then increase ballast by 5kg for all cars.

 

[IforceV8]

Both Arta's and the MR-S will have to add 5 kg since the all end in 5.The MR-S will not affected much by this change since it was already the fastest on the straights but both Arta cars might need a bump in torque, NA-3 for the 08 and turbo-3 for the 03.

 

[Wardez]

It makes virtually no difference in lap times Nep. You're talking about such slight differences in weight. 5 kilos is ten pounds. Some driver teams in endurance championships have weight disparities of up to 50 lbs. You lose about 5kgs of fuel every two laps. It's not punishing Garaiya drivers at all.

The specs were drawn up a while back but no one anticipated this need. It's either we do this, or we need to make a radical change and switch to a PP based handicap system, which is unnacceptable in my eyes.

Also, the suggestion that we add 5kg's too all the cars would only make weight checks for all the other cars unreliable as well.

 

[MajikTom]

Have fun guys

You too wishywish, sorry to see you go.

Does this mean the Zed is up for grabs?

Can I call Dibs for round 3? I JUST finally tamed this Raybrig (radical Suspension settings required). It's so tail happy, plus the incidents against my car made me just hang on to the end with a near stock setup, but I was actually going for it in Sprint before the Carnage in T10.

Anywhoo, I'll likely run the Raybrig this week since I'm getting used to it, but I would still like the option to change to my Trusty Zed if that's possible.

Thanks. Regards,

EDIT:
OH KID! I just took the Zed around the Corkscrew to Reg Spec and took 2 seconds off my best Raybrig time on my 2nd lap. I also buried my best lap at Fuji to contention times...
If the Zed is available, I will take it for Round 2 please! I love this car!

 

[will-i-am]

Tom it'll be best to get with the other NSX pilots for a decent setup. The Raybrig is yours for the season. The only way you can change cars now that the season started is to move to the gt300 class in which you have to.

 

[SuperSic]

The season already started and the specs were said to be final. There was time to test things out, not my fault this problem was overlooked. Me or anyone else driving the garayia shouldn't be punished by that.

The problem here is the ballast system. It should have went at 45, 35, 25, and so on, so the Garayia would end its weight with a 0. Im sorry but Im not putting an extra 5KG where other cars don't have it. The competition is really close and any slight change can make a huge difference.

If you want to make a change, which still wouldn't be the right thing to do, then increase ballast by 5kg for all cars.

NEP is absolutely right, the solution he is proposing is obviously wrong, but he has every right to complain for this weight raise since the Garaiya and MR-S drivers are not at fault in this situation, the administration is.

A simple and fair solution would be to lower the original weight of these cars by 5kg's. As you say, 5kg won't make a difference so you might as well take them off.

 

[Andil]

It is a penalty to us if we have to run 5kg extra actually... come on. The cars are "equal" at the moment, but some have definite speed advantages down the straight, my complaints about that were basically ignored, so I've chosen to go with the fact that since we can all run more-or-less the same lap time, it'll do.

20kg at Laguna is costing me about 0.3s per lap. 5kg is therefore just under 0.1s - not a lot, I will agree! But qualifying last round had 0.1s between 1st and 3rd. So yes, it's an issue.

If it's "not going to cause any difference to our laptimes", then let's take 5kg off instead

 

[twistedfirework]

It is a penalty to us if we have to run 5kg extra actually... come on. The cars are "equal" at the moment, but some have definite speed advantages down the straight, my complaints about that were basically ignored, so I've chosen to go with the fact that since we can all run more-or-less the same lap time, it'll do.

20kg at Laguna is costing me about 0.3s per lap. 5kg is therefore just under 0.1s - not a lot, I will agree! But qualifying last round had 0.1s between 1st and 3rd. So yes, it's an issue.

If it's "not going to cause any difference to our laptimes", then let's take 5kg off instead

I must raise issue with your points being ignored. I made a suggestion to improve the top speed of your car , during the testing period, after more testing you agreed that the specs were right with some help from Johan on the tuning.
Onto the latest issue. I will hold my hands up, It had never occurred to me at the time of testing the specs that the weight could only be checked in increments of 10. The 1 thing we tried to achieve is to rule out any possibility of cheating. We can't lower the stock weight of the garaiya, but we can increase it by 5kg. I know it's not ideal. The other alternative is to only award 5kg of ballast of the first 10kg.maybe we will have to go that route. Sorry for messing you about guys. Once again I apologise.
I will post up all of the new weight hp and pp ofthe gt300 cars with ballast penalties, this afternoon.

 

[Wardez]

Yeah if we could reduce it by 5kg, we would. But everything's at stock weight. The only reason WSGTC didn't use PURE 1.0 Super GT specs was because Masi wanted to be able to give a max ballast penalty of 200kg so all of the cars are at stock weight and thus unable to be lightened further.

I agree that in spirit it's wrong, but I empathize with the fact that this was an easy oversight.

Can't believe it wasn't an issue brought up in season 2.

 

[NJ72]

I know it's easy for me to say as I'm not in the running for the top spot, but as another gt300 competitor I'm OK with them having 5kg less ballast penalty. But as I said, it's not just me and I'm not close enough for 0.1 of a second to make a great deal of difference

 

[Wardez]

Well NJ brings up another option. Although it is a bit sloppy, that would work as well. Just treat the Garaiya like it already does have the extra 5ks, continue upping the weight by 10s as regularly and be done with it.

 

[NJ72]

Its the same in principle to what twist said in the post above. It kinda depends on the other driver's views as well though...

 

[NJ72]

Another question I had, which is slightly off the topic at hand. In qualifying is tire damage supposed to be on? Have been practicing with both and have slightly quicker laps when it's off...