Hard Seasonal events!

[GTP_CargoRatt]

How hard or easy something is, is really a subjective point of view and is going to be different from person to person. One person's easy might be another persons hard, and vice versa. There is no factual evidence of the difficulty level, how hard or easy it is, of any of these events as again, it is going to be different for everyone. Just because you are able to achieve Gold in your first few tries doesn't make the event easy, nor does the amount of people that have done so make it so. Furthermore, telling people to shut up and earn it just because you don't agree with their opinion is just rude. 👎 Why don't you try helping these people who are having a hard time with these events by offering some helpful advice/tips on how to achieve the goals instead of just calling them whiners and telling them to shut up.

 

[Jbaffoh]

How hard or easy something is, is really a subjective point of view and is going to be different from person to person. One person's easy might be another persons hard, and vice versa. There is no factual evidence of the difficulty level, how hard or easy it is, of any of these events as again, it is going to be different for everyone. Just because you are able to achieve Gold in your first few tries doesn't make the event easy, nor does the amount of people that have done so make it so. Furthermore, telling people to shut up and earn it just because you don't agree with their opinion is just rude. 👎 Why don't you try helping these people who are having a hard time with these events by offering some helpful advice/tips on how to achieve the goals instead of just calling them whiners and telling them to shut up.

Ok, Cargo. Right.

I have offered plenty of advice during the past year, with step-by-step instructions.

I've also learned (as I explained) that stuff I would struggle with became easy as pie with practice. If I can do it, anyone can.

So stop lobbying to dumb down the game, and instead begin striving to keep up.

If 50,000 people can exceed gold by several seconds, the standards are too easy. If you can't keep up, and if you truly care to, then practice. Period. If it's not that important to you, then don't ruin it for the rest of us. Period.

Since you're usually faster than I, Cargo, I doubt you need turn-by-turn instructions. But if anyone has an event that they'd like advice from an average driver like I, then I'd be happy to offer up.

 

[luv2drive]

How hard or easy something is, is really a subjective point of view and is going to be different from person to person. One person's easy might be another persons hard, and vice versa. There is no factual evidence of the difficulty level, how hard or easy it is, of any of these events as again, it is going to be different for everyone. Just because you are able to achieve Gold in your first few tries doesn't make the event easy, nor does the amount of people that have done so make it so. Furthermore, telling people to shut up and earn it just because you don't agree with their opinion is just rude. 👎 Why don't you try helping these people who are having a hard time with these events by offering some helpful advice/tips on how to achieve the goals instead of just calling them whiners and telling them to shut up.

First of all most of the points you make are the same I was making about the varying skill level of drivers.

The main point @Stotty and I were trying to make is that whining and more specifically placing the blame on someone else for your problems is in general not a good attitude and much of what is wrong with society here on this forum and in real life. We are trying to advocate for people taking personal responsibility for their success. This is in your tagline, so it's clear you already subscribe to this mantra, and that's why you've been able to improve over time.

I'm not an top driver here, but @Stotty certainly is, and throughout this thread there has been tons of helpful advice already given on how to improve for those who are willing to take it. I can't really add any more technically to what has already been said on that account, but I will always offer helpful advice if I have any to give.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Ok, first of all, I certainly hope you're not telling me to keep up. I have no problem at all with these events. I usually have them done and Golded within the hour. So again, I have no problem at all keeping up.

Secondly, I am not trying to dumb down the game at all. If anything, I would like to see it get harder.

The whole point of my post was that just because others, or even me for that fact, may think a certain event is easy, doesn't make it fact, and I don't care how many have done it. Belittling people by calling them whiners and telling them to shut up just because they don't share your same opinion is just rude, not to mention that it also goes against the AUP. Trust me, I know. I'm with you on your opinion of the game and not dumbing it down, really, I am. I just don't agree on how you're treating the people who have a different opinion than you. Chill out.

 

[rixtar]

I'd go so far as to say 'tens of thousands every week' don't achieve gold.

Making it 'fair' does not necessarily equate to making it 'easy'. I finally got gold at Suzuka (with a car that some consider 'cheating') on my 9th attempt! As I previously mentioned, I'd been continually punted off by cars driving themselves off the track also(!), at a corner where I never saw any car spin off once!! That's frustrating. Let's not even mention the Pagani 'overtaking challenge!'
There does seem to be a certain degree of smugness going on here.

I've done the Suzuka event 5 times and didn't get "punted off" by the AI even once. I am at best an average driver. As I've said somewhere else, when there have been times in various other challenges that I reckon the AI has rammed me without reason, by looking at the replay I can see that mostly it had a lot to do with my own driving. You've got to follow racing rules, such as allowing the AI racing room. If you don't you're likely to get shunted, just like in real life. On some occasions the AI can be a bit too aggressive as well, just like in real life, and then it's up to me to avoid them.

 

[Jbaffoh]

Cargo, I sloppily used "you," when I meant others. You're faster than I, so you can learn nothing from me. There's no question about that.

But I am sick and tired of everyone who thinks they're entitled to prizes they haven't earned. If they want it enough to work for it, it's theirs. Otherwise, tough luck.

Gee, I have a couple undergraduate degrees and a graduate degree. But I didn't major in astrophysics, and I sure wish I earned what astrophysicists make! But in my mid-fifties I'm not inclined to pursue a new grad degree. Therefore, EVERYBODY should get an astrophysist's paycheck? Tough luck for me.

People: If you want it, you'll work to earn it. Otherwise, enjoy the time you spend NOT practicing. It's a choice that's equally available to everyone with a PS3 and $40 for the game.

 

[snarls200]

what PD needs to do for GT7 is bring in difficulty sliders. That ways those of you who want a bigger challenge can have it, while those who have trouble can make it where the can complete events

 

[Jbaffoh]

what PD needs to do for GT7 is bring in difficulty sliders. That ways those of you who want a bigger challenge can have it, while those who have trouble can make it where the can complete events

That would be AWESOME for GT Academy! I can slide my slider to medium difficulty, match the top aliens, and argue to Nissan that subjective difficulty trumps objective measurements! I can see my professional race career budding at the ripe age of 55.

Nah, that's pretty silly. This is about racing. That's competition, folks. Objective times rule. You don't get trophies for showing up with a good attitude--you win them by crossing the line first.

Sorry, feel-good socialists.

 

[snarls200]

That would be AWESOME for GT Academy! I can slide my slider to medium difficulty, match the top aliens, and argue to Nissan that subjective difficulty trumps objective measurements! I can see my professional race career budding at the ripe age of 55.

Nah, that's pretty silly. This is about racing. That's competition, folks. Objective times rule. You don't get trophies for showing up with a good attitude--you win them by crossing the line first.

Sorry, feel-good socialists.

obviously GT academy would not be part of that. but things with no real world implicatins should hsve sliders to make it fun for everyone.

 

[Jbaffoh]

For me, the fun comes when I learn to accomplish goals I feared I couldn't.

I grew up playing basketball, and my elementary school had lowered the nets. I felt that was demeaning. I could dunk in 5th grade, yet my ten-foot net at home was a challenge for ordinary layups. My accomplishments at school were meaningless.

I felt no sense of accomplishment until Jr. High, when we used regulation nets.

So what kind of accomplishment or enjoyment is anyone likely to receive when they can set the slider to 8-foot nets instead of 10-foot nets? Aren't they either fooling or cheating themselves?

Racing is about winning. Ideally, that's to be taken literally. Otherwise, it's about continually striving to beat your personal best. But it's not about sliding back the minimum requirements for earning gold medals.

 

[snarls200]

maybe for time trials the higher difficulty limits the cars that can be used even further. for races higher difficulty makes the AI more agressive

 

[N0t_L3fty]

Got golds in all but the drifting events. Some required more effort than others (cough, Hoorah, cough), already had it (blue with a tire track down the hood), so I didn't need it. I am not all that good at this game, but I am very stubborn. I just kept doing them over & over till I won. That out of the way, made a bunch of credits with the 2 rain events, & hope we see more like those.
These also got my 2 new profiles I started off to a good start. Too bad we only get this level of events once a year...

 

[Jbaffoh]

I hated the drift coffee breaks, and they took a couple months of torture to get through.

Then they started seasonal drift events. At first it was torture, but I eventually golded every one.

Yesterday, I went back on an alternate account and tried those coffee breaks. In less than 30 minutes I golded all three. A year ago, that was unthinkable.

Nothing in this game is too hard if you want it bad enough.

 

[SJC ALPHA]

I have been trying to do the coffee break drift events since day one, so far only achieved one bronze, so yes some things in the game can be too hard or impossible, I don't bother even attempting the drift seasonals.
It annoys me I cannot do these but that's my limit.

 

[Michel78]

Now you might be reading this like I'm just rubbish at Gran Turismo. I've been playing GT since 2001 and I'm pretty much a Pro now. My problem is about the seasonal events in GT6, they seem to be too hard compared to how they were in GT5. I remember dominating all of them in GT5 and winning everything! You know that special Paints can be awarded, I really want to get them but I just can't; You need gold! I feel frustrated that I can't complete these events like I used to and there's no way else to earn the prizes! Does anybody else feel the same or have I just became rubbish at the game?

Some seasonals are very hard but when you look at the forum how to tune the car correctly and look at the racing lines of the top 10 it is possible. The big secret is to spend a lot of time in it. When you do, you enter new dimensions of speed and you go faster, when you don't you wil be slower. Sometimes it's very frustrating when you haven't got the time.

 

[IBZ6L20VT]

I got a little bit late in this discussion about the difficulty of seasonals but I would like to point out that, after reading the whole thread, I can only agree with @Stotty's point of view. Facing a challenge has to be a reward, and losing that challenge has to lead to get up from the floor, remove the dust from your shoulder and keep fighting in the next one. Failing is necessary in the process of learning.

Gold has not to be in the reach of everybody. When gold become easy it loses its value, it's not a prize anymore. In the TT being in the top1000/100/10 is the only reward as a vast majority of the players got gold without putting too much effort.

I think that PD must review where the bar for medals is. Or make more divisions, not just three. Something to make everybody happy and making special, again, to get a gold medal.

 

[Audi_MTM]

Only challenge I have found too hard is Ayrton Sennas "last". I have tried it thousands of times but still over second behind from gold. But I will do it....

 

[Tandem21]

I LOVED the difficulty of these seasonals, personally. The rewards were also in line with them. They were very well designed in my opinion. My only wish is that PD would never take down these challenges like in GT5 or at least leave them up for much longer. It sucks that you may not have the time to complete a few and suddenly they're gone.

As to difficulty, I'm sure they bell-curve these things so a set percentile of the playerbase can achieve gold. Outside of the recent seasonals, they're pretty lenient, I think.

 

[Jbaffoh]

Only challenge I have found too hard is Ayrton Sennas "last". I have tried it thousands of times but still over second behind from gold. But I will do it....

Do it! You will.

 

[Castrol96]

Sometimes seasonals can be hard, the only problem I have now is if I could collect all the special paint buckets I missed. Not sure if PD will make exclusive buckets reapair?

 

[DiscoStew]

I find the expert levels hard, and really struggle with SRF, so it is hard for me at times. I am typically somewhere between 75,000 and 100,000 in the rankings. But only getting silvers some of the time makes it so much more satisfying when I do gold an expert level. I feel a bit empty when I get gold on the first couple of laps but the neighbours hear me whooping when I get a gold after several hours or nights of learning more about the track, trying different tunes (thanks to you tuners who share your stuff), and improving my control. Back in GT5 it took me about a month to gold the Samba bus beginner challenge but I tried it again last week and got it quite quickly. So the expert levels, and the advice on this forum, have improved my skills enormously. Missing out on gold sometimes is a necessary incentive to get better so I wouldn't want it made easier, as long as they continue to do a mix.