Hard Seasonal events!

[yikadaemu]

As for the AI "screwing" people, two words: Defensive driving. Having grown up driving in snow, I treat every vehicle as a guided missile aimed at me. Your job is to anticipate and avoid. It's not hard.

Or just take the heaviest monster car you have, set it to the allowed PP and then exact your revenge by slamming them into the walls. Bulldoze your way to a satisfying victory. Juvenile? Yes. Fun? Yes. Great for relieving your frustrations? Absolutely! Call it a real coffee break exercise.

 

[Castrol96]

Not suggesting that but from what I read so far it seems, you think you have got pro level due to being able to Gold GT5 seasonal events. Have also taken a break but find it hard to gold some of these new events and getting closer to golding them as you get the hang of things again. Maybe you need a bit of practice to get back to your previous level as if you can Gold the entire GT series, then I don't see any reason why you won't be able to Gold the new GT6 seasonal events.

Alright then, I see you point. True, I've been practicing lately and everything seems to be going better.

 

[Teflonicus]

I didn't really want to gripe about the good ol' days ... but I will.

When I played GT2-GT4, I accepted that I didn't have the time or the inclination to complete everything in gold. I got bronze for everything (that was the pass necessary to continue the game), some silvers, and a couple of golds and moved on after spending no more than ten minutes on a licence/event. I focused on finishing the career because that was where the fun was for me.

I also accepted that only those who had the time or the skill would gold everything and complete those hideously long endurance races.

That seems to be missing in a lot of players these days. If they can't get gold in an event after twenty minutes, they come here to complain about the difficulty of the events instead of putting in more time and effort ... or even accepting that these events are currently beyond them.

The result is that PD have done away with endurance races. They've also made everything that much easier because apparently there's a problem with the game if absolutely everyone can't get gold in the most difficult events straight away.

 

[RodolphoPNeto]

The result is that PD have done away with endurance races. They've also made everything that much easier because apparently there's a problem with the game if absolutely everyone can't get gold in the most difficult events straight away.

Couldn't agree more. Golding everything and endurance were a huge part of the fun for me. Got a nice wheel since GT5 and i always think about how i miss those challenges, specially after 2-lap carrer races and easy seasonals.

These survivals are brilliant, they should be a main thing on every seasonal update from now on. Imagine a whole season with 10+ races like that in different categories and massive rewards?

 

[Tony Mandara]

The problem is with players. Namely players stating that everything is too easy. To quote a previous post in this thread: "Assists? If you want frustration, try......"

Hello, I don't want frustration. I want to have fun. That's why I bought a GAME! A challenge is one thing. Hair-pulling-teeth-grinding-gamepad-smashing frustration is something else all together!! It's not fun. (not good for my blood pressure either!)

I also thought that "survival race" was to do with fuel/tires/weather. Not hoping that the 🤬 psycopathic AI will not keep punting me off by turning right at the first left hander at Suzuka.

 

[Teflonicus]

The problem is with players. Namely players stating that everything is too easy. To quote a previous post in this thread: "Assists? If you want frustration, try......"

Hello, I don't want frustration. I want to have fun. That's why I bought a GAME! A challenge is one thing. Hair-pulling-teeth-grinding-gamepad-smashing frustration is something else all together!! It's not fun. (not good for my blood pressure either!)

I also thought that "survival race" was to do with fuel/tires/weather. Not hoping that the 🤬 psycopathic AI will not keep punting me off by turning right at the first left hander at Suzuka.

I raced the same seasonal as you and received the same penalties for the same actions. I neither grinded my teeth nor pulled my hair. At first, I used the TS030 and the 2J to get gold out of the way. Both made it very easy. Then I used normal racing cars. In comparison to previous GT challenges, this seasonal is easy. If everyone can do it, it's easy.

 

[Tony Mandara]

It's not necessary to get defensive. It wasn't meant as a personal attack. From what I can tell, (in this race) you are racing one car. All other cars are not trying to win, but simply to hinder you. I've tried with: Nissan R29, Mazda VGT, Mazda Furai....all same result. Punted off at first left hander, rear-ended at degner II, cars slamming on brakes exiting hairpin, formation driving between hairpin and spoon, P.I.T'd on back straight and t-boned at chicane. It's simply frustrating. But I can always turn it off. It's only a game! ​

 

[lbpomg95]

Watch some replays. The Reventon gives up several passing opportunities.

Far as I can tell, if you're going for gold, it presents 1, and passing without touching the Reventon is a total pain what with the car being so slippery. I've got a bone stock one that handles better on SH tyres...

 

[Jbaffoh]

Far as I can tell, if you're going for gold, it presents 1, and passing without touching the Reventon is a total pain what with the car being so slippery. I've got a bone stock one that handles better on SH tyres...

You can pass the Reventon on the inside of thr sharp left near the top of the hill, or on the right during the straight after the next right hander, or again on the inside of the left hander before the fast straight. Sorry, I'm on my phone on a boat, so I don't have a map handy.

I've acheived gold by passing in all three spots. The easiest is the second choice--it works every time.

Edit: I just checked a map.

The fastest people pass on the inside (left) of The Dipper. For me, it's easiest on the right during the short straight after The Dipper. Your last chance is to pass on the inside (left) at the entrance to Forest Elbow.

 

[Teflonicus]

It's not necessary to get defensive. It wasn't meant as a personal attack. From what I can tell, (in this race) you are racing one car. All other cars are not trying to win, but simply to hinder you. I've tried with: Nissan R29, Mazda VGT, Mazda Furai....all same result. Punted off at first left hander, rear-ended at degner II, cars slamming on brakes exiting hairpin, formation driving between hairpin and spoon, P.I.T'd on back straight and t-boned at chicane. It's simply frustrating. But I can always turn it off. It's only a game! ​

Making a point and seeing your comments as a personal attack are not the same thing.

I do, however, wonder how something that you can "always turn off" because "it's only a game" can also be labelled as "hair-pulling-teeth-grinding-gamepad-smashing frustration".

 

[Tony Mandara]

The frustration is alleviated by turning it
off!!

 

[dahcmai]

I didn't mind these new ones too much, though I did think they were a little rough especially on DS3 players. I'd like to see more of ones where you get a paint chip for silver and a car for Gold. It would be nice if they put something in for the people who can consistently get golds without too much trouble. Kind of like a multiplier for money for each time you beat your own time in Gold. That would be a nice treat to the good drivers and still allow the not-so-good drivers to forgo beating their heads on a wall by having a slightly lower limit for gold time. If anything, it would give me a reason to bother with the track again after I got a gold on it.

I like some of the tracks they put a Time Trial on, but it's pointless to race them again after you gold it. A multiplier would give me a reason to go back to it aside from trying to get on the top of the leaderboard, which I rarely do and don't bother trying anyway. I'm not good enough to try for that.

I really hate having to pass up a car I really want because I just can't gold it. I'm sure I'll never get that Bathurst one. I tried it a few times and realized I just don't know that track's nuances enough to blaze through it like I would need to to get that gold. I barely managed the Jaguar and Lancia ones. My friend had to bring his PS3 over to my house so I could race it for him since he doesn't play enough to get those. I did it twice more for him and his son barely scraping by enough to get it. I felt bad since he really wanted the cars from the other two, but I just can't do them. I don't know the tracks well enough, much less enough to drive an unfamiliar car I can't tune to taste at breakneck speed through them.

It's bad enough I can't figure out this drifting crap. Be nice to have a break on this stuff for the non-hardcore players, but I can see how the expert drivers get shorted every time it's a little too easy so that multiplier would be a nice way to meet in the middle of the complaints that would cost PD nothing to implement aside from some coding time.

 

[Dragonthing]

I'm starting to get really damn suspicious of this drift seasonal crap they've pushed on us. It does not matter what car I use, it doesn't matter how perfect my line is, how fast I'm going, or what tyres I use. The game just stops giving me points at random moments, and no matter what I do I cannot break the 5,500 point mark in any car. And I don't want to hear any useless replies about how "oh you have to be using this one specific car to get points" because that just makes me more suspicious that this event has no real difficulty besides the arbitrary way in which it refuses to dish out points for my best possible driving.

 

[RodolphoPNeto]

I think we can all agree here: With a wheel = very (yes, very) easy. I'm not not even close to most guys here as a driver/player and neither a leaderboard guy, but still nothing took more than 20 min for me (for the Huayra one) and golded it all in a very satisfying afternoon.

With the DS3 = totally different story, wich is the central point for different opinions here. All of these seasonals (specially the survival ones) takes precise, meticulous driving. You CANNOT be too agressive, you must be patient, cold, and do your thing on your own time without rushing into a gap. That is pretty damn hard to do (for most people) without a smooth FFB and quality pedals.

In conclusion, it is likely that GT devs are motivating wheel owners to upgrade to their latest official model and others to get one.

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

I think we can all agree here: With a wheel = very (yes, very) easy. I'm not not even close to most guys here as a driver/player and neither a leaderboard guy, but still nothing took more than 20 min for me (for the Huayra one) and golded it all in a very satisfying afternoon.

With the DS3 = totally different story, wich is the central point for different opinions here. All of these seasonals (specially the survival ones) takes precise, meticulous driving. You CANNOT be too agressive, you must be patient, cold, and do your thing on your own time without rushing into a gap. That is pretty damn hard to do (for most people) without a smooth FFB and quality pedals.

In conclusion, it is likely that GT devs are motivating wheel owners to upgrade to their latest official model and others to get one.

In my humble opinion, please stop saying it is difficult with DS3.

I quite easily made gold times with DS3 (only ABS1) on everything in GT6 up till now and I am certainly not the quickest around here.

Lot of friends on my leader board use DS3 and they all make times a lot quicker than the gold time.

So just put some more time and practice in if you really want gold. As said before in several threads, GT6 sadly is the easiest GT in the series.

 

[RodolphoPNeto]

In my humble opinion, please stop saying it is difficult with DS3.

I quite easily made gold times with DS3 (only ABS1) on everything in GT6 up till now and I am certainly not the quickest around here.

Lot of friends on my leader board use DS3 and they all make times a lot quicker than the gold time.

I hear what youre saying - Maybe what i meant to say here is that according to my experience, things are probably easier for most people if you got a good wheel. I've always heard/read that this is the case in most situations, yes?

In any case, being hard, with a wheel or a DS3, depends on practice, like you said.

 

[Jbaffoh]

I'm starting to get really damn suspicious of this drift seasonal crap they've pushed on us. It does not matter what car I use, it doesn't matter how perfect my line is, how fast I'm going, or what tyres I use. The game just stops giving me points at random moments, and no matter what I do I cannot break the 5,500 point mark in any car. And I don't want to hear any useless replies about how "oh you have to be using this one specific car to get points" because that just makes me more suspicious that this event has no real difficulty besides the arbitrary way in which it refuses to dish out points for my best possible driving.

On my main account, I did it with tuned C1 and C2 Corvettes. On my alternate account, I used a stock C6 or C7 15th Anniversary car (I buy no cars and do no tuning on that account.) I suck at drifting, but all my scores were in the 5900's. I use a G27, and set it to 200°, or whatever the lowest setting is, for drifting.

 

[Mr Grumpy]

I had a weird one on the suzuka, I went 2 laps RS, 6 laps IM, 2 laps RS, but got caught out on puddles although it said the track was 0% dry on the last 2 laps, I thought ok I'll give a 1 stop a try, so on with the IM from the get go up to lap 6 then changed for more IM & this time the second time it rained it didn't bloody stop !! The track went to 98% wet, I was all over the place because I was on IM, so I try again but this time changed to FW on lap 6 to compensate & the track went back to normal, drying out about lap 7 so by the end of the race I had butchered tyres & lost 2 places!!!! Lucky enough all went according to plan on my next attempt with a 1 stop & 2 sets of IM so frustrating but fun & weird at the same time.

 

[Castrol96]

I had a weird one on the suzuka, I went 2 laps RS, 6 laps IM, 2 laps RS, but got caught out on puddles although it said the track was 0% dry on the last 2 laps, I thought ok I'll give a 1 stop a try, so on with the IM from the get go up to lap 6 then changed for more IM & this time the second time it rained it didn't bloody stop !! The track went to 98% wet, I was all over the place because I was on IM, so I try again but this time changed to FW on lap 6 to compensate & the track went back to normal, drying out about lap 7 so by the end of the race I had butchered tyres & lost 2 places!!!! Lucky enough all went according to plan on my next attempt with a 1 stop & 2 sets of IM so frustrating but fun & weird at the same time.

Same type of thing happened to me, I tried twice in the Suzuka event and at laps 3/6 I spun out. That's the reason why I made this thread.

 

[Teflonicus]

I'm starting to get really damn suspicious of this drift seasonal crap they've pushed on us. It does not matter what car I use, it doesn't matter how perfect my line is, how fast I'm going, or what tyres I use. The game just stops giving me points at random moments, and no matter what I do I cannot break the 5,500 point mark in any car. And I don't want to hear any useless replies about how "oh you have to be using this one specific car to get points" because that just makes me more suspicious that this event has no real difficulty besides the arbitrary way in which it refuses to dish out points for my best possible driving.

I used a car that I'd found good for drifting before. It was a Scuderia. After about 20 minutes, I thought the car might be the issue and checked with the world leaders to see what they were using. It was a mixed bag. Plenty of Corvettes, but lots of odd cars in there, so I really don't think a specific car is required.

I tried a different car for a little anyway before going back to the Scuderia. I think I changed the tyres from CM CM to CH CH and went on for another 20 minutes to half hour. Eventually, I got enough points in the initial straight part after the start flags/signs and managed to keep a good line through the final bend.

There is some advice in the specific drift thread in seasonals. My guess is that your problem is due to the particular line you are taking.

Edit: The "initial straight" part actually refers to the previous drift challenge with the racing drift cars. The scoring does stop for both of these events if you drift outside the optimum line though.

 

[Crozzlow]

I like the survival races very much. The absence of too many AI patterns makes it much harder, therefore more enjoyable.

 

[vsaber]

I think the difficulty of this seasonal is alright. You guys (the top guys) may play the game everyday, for hours like I did before in GT1-4 to get every gold in sight. But remember the more casual guys (me now) play it too. And its nice that the bronze and silver prizes are quite sizable as well especially with the login bonus.
I can only afford to play max 1 hr per day now, if I play that is and with a DS3 to boot.
I haven't managed to try the survival races yet, but I've managed to gold most of the challenge...with lotsa effort in this last Xmas/New Year holiday. When work gets back to full capacity again, I doubt I can spend that much time. So I'll try my best to gold them this week while work's still light
But yeah, good seasonals, sorta frustrating but still fun enough for the more casual guys

 

[YuRiPa]

I think the difficulty of this seasonal is alright. You guys (the top guys) may play the game everyday, for hours like I did before in GT1-4 to get every gold in sight. But remember the more casual guys (me now) play it too. And its nice that the bronze and silver prizes are quite sizable as well especially with the login bonus.
I can only afford to play max 1 hr per day now, if I play that is and with a DS3 to boot.
I haven't managed to try the survival races yet, but I've managed to gold most of the challenge...with lotsa effort in this last Xmas/New Year holiday. When work gets back to full capacity again, I doubt I can spend that much time. So I'll try my best to gold them this week while work's still light
But yeah, good seasonals, sorta frustrating but still fun enough for the more casual guys

Just try the Nismo GTR GT500 Stealth Model, will easily win Suzuka. I did 1:53 laps with it, using a DS3. So, then you can certainly do sub 2:00 lap times. Other possible cars are any of the two Nismo Z's and, for Suzuka, any Supra. The Supras might be a bit hard on tyres though. Basically, any Nismo GTR will do, as will any Supra with the right tune. Just stay away from the NSX's, they can be a handful to drive, and the SC430's are just a tad slow. Just have a look in the threads about these races, many tactics and tips in there.

 

[Tony Mandara]

Finally got gold at Suzuka using the Furai. Started on IMs, pitted after 6 laps for more IMs. Beat tha Xanavi Nismo by 4 seconds. My best lap only 2.02. Big thanks to the YellowHat for punting the Xanavi off exiting 130R on lap 8.

 

[vsaber]

Just try the Nismo GTR GT500 Stealth Model, will easily win Suzuka. I did 1:53 laps with it, using a DS3. So, then you can certainly do sub 2:00 lap times. Other possible cars are any of the two Nismo Z's and, for Suzuka, any Supra. The Supras might be a bit hard on tyres though. Basically, any Nismo GTR will do, as will any Supra with the right tune. Just stay away from the NSX's, they can be a handful to drive, and the SC430's are just a tad slow. Just have a look in the threads about these races, many tactics and tips in there.

OK will try, I read that driving carefully on intermediates, can last for entire race without pitting?
I'm not very good at Suzuka, hopefully I can do this

 

[YuRiPa]

OK will try, I read that driving carefully on intermediates, can last for entire race without pitting?
I'm not very good at Suzuka, hopefully I can do this

No, you can't. Depending on the weather, you can do a one or two-stopper. My experience is that a two-stop strategy is the fastest. I normally pit in laps 2 and 7 or 8 at Suzuka (RS-IM-RS or RS-IM-IM) depending on the weather. At the Nurburgring I pit in laps 3 and 8 (RS-IM-IM or RS-IM-RS). It is possible with a one-stop strategy though, using intermediates the entire race. But if it gets dry early, your tyres will be completely gone long before the finish line. I found that the wetter the race, the easier it is. In the wet, the AI is really slow. In the Suzuka race thread I wrote down all pit strategies of your most important AI rivals, so you can see what they do.

I've heard people doing the races without a pit-stop using the Furai or Mazda LM55 I think, but since using such a car feels like cheating to me and because I like the SuperGT and JGTC cars too much, I haven't driven anything other than SuperGT and JGTC cars. You can win with all of them in stock form (at around 560-570 PP) so if you add a turbo then you should definitely be able to win.

In my last post, forgot to mention the Honda HSV's, probably had my easiest victory on the Nurburgring with one of these and on Suzuka they're easy to drive too.

 

[Burned_Rubber]

I think these survival races have been a real challenge. Thanks to all the members who have given great solutions and strategies to make this more fun for all. I'm going try some of them after I'm done here.
I've gotta say, after reading through some of these comments I'm a little disappointed in the lack of support for the "little guy". Not everyone in this forum is expert status. I'm sure there are a surprising amount of members who read through this site for info without ever leaving a comment and guess what, I bet they don't think these seasonals are very easy. I'm getting tired of hearing some members saying how easy these are, even with a ds3, or why can't PD do anything right, blahblahblah. You know what...if this game is too easy, you need to make it more challenging for yourself by A) quit using someone else's tune B) turn off all aides including abs C) detune your car's PL D) use harder tires E) go in to the start menu on the start screen and select a more challenging AI characteristics. There are plenty ways to make this game harder and plenty of GT6 sites to spout your ego out on someone else who is having a difficult time and wants help or a different strategic opinion.
Sorry for the rant... must be road rage

 

[Mr Grumpy]

I think these survival races have been a real challenge. Thanks to all the members who have given great solutions and strategies to make this more fun for all. I'm going try some of them after I'm done here.
I've gotta say, after reading through some of these comments I'm a little disappointed in the lack of support for the "little guy". Not everyone in this forum is expert status. I'm sure there are a surprising amount of members who read through this site for info without ever leaving a comment and guess what, I bet they don't think these seasonals are very easy. I'm getting tired of hearing some members saying how easy these are, even with a ds3, or why can't PD do anything right, blahblahblah. You know what...if this game is too easy, you need to make it more challenging for yourself by A) quit using someone else's tune B) turn off all aides including abs C) detune your car's PL D) use harder tires E) go in to the start menu on the start screen and select a more challenging AI characteristics. There are plenty ways to make this game harder and plenty of GT6 sites to spout your ego out on someone else who is having a difficult time and wants help or a different strategic opinion.
Sorry for the rant... must be road rage

Just a quick pointer, that AI characteristics option in the start menu is for arcade only, which is a shame because I'd gladly set it to aggressive for the single player side of things.
Other than that I agree, its hard for some but not for others, it is what you make of it, use whatever makes you enjoy it & remember it's only a game.

Hang on..... I've just been positive....WTF

 

[soupcan]

IMO, The survival challenges have the best AI yet, they will fight for position without being overly dirty. Hopefully PD keeps offering seasonals like these.

 

[Castrol96]

I raced the same seasonal as you and received the same penalties for the same actions. I neither grinded my teeth nor pulled my hair. At first, I used the TS030 and the 2J to get gold out of the way. Both made it very easy. Then I used normal racing cars. In comparison to previous GT challenges, this seasonal is easy. If everyone can do it, it's easy.

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Nice, I tried using the LM55 VGT and reached the 6th lap at 6th but I just gave up. For me, the main problem for this race is the RAIN! There's just a few tight bends where your car can easily slip, were my vehicle spins out 180 and shoots onto the sand/grass. By this i've been heavily put off, I've done rain races before but now I just easily give up!