Hard Seasonal events!

[Jbaffoh]

TOO HARD???

What is wrong with you people? DO THE MATH!

Sometimes I'm only out for gold because I don't have the time to put in for a good time. I usually get gold in my first attempt, and I'm usually 2-3 seconds ahead of the gold time. By the end of the event period, I'm usually around 35,000 to 40,000 in the world. The leaders have me beat by 4-5 seconds.

What does that tell you??? Tens of thousands of people beat the gold time every week by several seconds!

Stop whining. If you don't like your time, then WORK AT IT!!! If you're a "casual gamer," then you shouldn't give a damn! Stop trying to dumb down the game for people who actually care.

 

[snarls200]

TOO HARD???

What is wrong with you people? DO THE MATH!

Sometimes I'm only out for gold because I don't have the time to put in for a good time. I usually get gold in my first attempt, and I'm usually 2-3 seconds ahead of the gold time. By the end of the event period, I'm usually around 35,000 to 40,000 in the world. The leaders have me beat by 4-5 seconds.

What does that tell you??? Tens of thousands of people beat the gold time every week by several seconds!

Stop whining. If you don't like your time, then WORK AT IT!!! If you're a "casual gamer," then you shouldn't give a damn! Stop trying to dumb down the game for people who actually care.

but lots of people don't get the gold. PD needs to make it fair for everyone. just because someone is not a hardcore player does not mean they should not be able to have a fair chance at the gold. wouldn't be an issue if the paint chips usually awarded were available some other way

 

[nowcontrol]

PD needs to make it fair for everyone. just because someone is not a hardcore player does not mean they should not be able to have a fair chance at the gold.

Yes it does.....

I don't play tennis but I want to try it, I think they should let me play at Wimbledon next summer and my opponents should give me a fair chance of winning. that gold trophy would look smashing in my cabinet.

 

[Tony Mandara]

I'd go so far as to say 'tens of thousands every week' don't achieve gold.

Making it 'fair' does not necessarily equate to making it 'easy'. I finally got gold at Suzuka (with a car that some consider 'cheating') on my 9th attempt! As I previously mentioned, I'd been continually punted off by cars driving themselves off the track also(!), at a corner where I never saw any car spin off once!! That's frustrating. Let's not even mention the Pagani 'overtaking challenge!'
There does seem to be a certain degree of smugness going on here.

 

[Johnnypenso]

but lots of people don't get the gold. PD needs to make it fair for everyone. just because someone is not a hardcore player does not mean they should not be able to have a fair chance at the gold. wouldn't be an issue if the paint chips usually awarded were available some other way

You do have a fair chance at gold. If you have the raw talent, you have a good chance. If you don't have the raw talent, then you must work extra hard to acquire the skills to achieve gold. Even then, often it's not possible to achieve the highest standards. You could use it as a motivating force to improve your driving/racing skills.

However, I do think you make a point about prizes. IMO, all prizes like should be awarded for achieving the minimum bronze time. Silver, gold, and the additional platinum and Top 1000 awards I'd include in GT7 would be for bragging rights only and would contribute to your "accolades" and an overall achievement rating in TT's that you could track and follow throughout the life of the game. I'm not a believer in locking game content in this type of game behind achievement. Other opinions may vary.

 

[Jbaffoh]

I'd go so far as to say 'tens of thousands every week' don't achieve gold.

Making it 'fair' does not necessarily equate to making it 'easy'. I finally got gold at Suzuka (with a car that some consider 'cheating') on my 9th attempt! As I previously mentioned, I'd been continually punted off by cars driving themselves off the track also(!), at a corner where I never saw any car spin off once!! That's frustrating. Let's not even mention the Pagani 'overtaking challenge!'
There does seem to be a certain degree of smugness going on here.

We're talking about gold medals. Look around you (in real life). How many have them? Only people who sacrifice, work, practice, and have some natural ability acheive them (and most with those attibutes don't). So earn it or shut up.

It's all attainable. A year ago I struggled to gold all the S license events, and I resorted to some active steering for some. It took me a couple weeks. Today, on my alternate account, I tried again with only ABS1. I finished in less than an hour, and beat all of my times from last year by at least 0.500" So today I accomplished what I almost thought was unfairly impossible a little more than 10 months ago.

Get to work.

 

[photonrider]

Get to work.

I got gold.
Do I get the day off now?

 

[Tony Mandara]

Jbaffoh.
90 laps! 3 hours! For one ten lap race. Not enough?
Please stop telling me and others to 'shut up', 'earn it' or 'get to work'. It's patronising, and borderline rude. Thank you.
'GT gold' is not (anywhere near) the same as (for example) 'Olympic gold' in the same way that driving a car in GT has nothing to do with driving a car in 'real life'.

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

I got gold.
Do I get the day off now?

Actually you get the rest of the week off... Enjoy!!!

Cheers

 

[Jbaffoh]

Jbaffoh.
90 laps! 3 hours! For one ten lap race. Not enough?
Please stop telling me and others to 'shut up', 'earn it' or 'get to work'. It's patronising, and borderline rude. Thank you.
'GT gold' is not (anywhere near) the same as (for example) 'Olympic gold' in the same way that driving a car in GT has nothing to do with driving a car in 'real life'.

Really?

Edit: It's rude to expect the same rewards as people who earn it.

Darwin: Read him.

 

[Tony Mandara]

Really.

 

[Jbaffoh]

Ok, so I'm rude.

But if you people care enough to bitch on the internet about the difficulty, one would think you also care enough to hone your skills.

And if I see another whiner bitch about the DS3 curse, you need to see my friends leaderboard. I'm usually about 6-7 out of 28. Five above me use the DS3, and I'm on G27.

So just suck it up and learn some technique. I'm average at best, and I don't want to see this game dumbed down anymore than it is.

Really.

It's a ridiculously easy race.

You do have a fair chance at gold. If you have the raw talent, you have a good chance. If you don't have the raw talent, then you must work extra hard to acquire the skills to achieve gold. Even then, often it's not possible to achieve the highest standards. You could use it as a motivating force to improve your driving/racing skills.

However, I do think you make a point about prizes. IMO, all prizes like should be awarded for achieving the minimum bronze time. Silver, gold, and the additional platinum and Top 1000 awards I'd include in GT7 would be for bragging rights only and would contribute to your "accolades" and an overall achievement rating in TT's that you could track and follow throughout the life of the game. I'm not a believer in locking game content in this type of game behind achievement. Other opinions may vary.

I agree with you except the part about prizes. People need a carrot at the end of the stick, or they become complacent. There are still a few Americans who adhere to this philosophy, but we're the last holdouts on Earth, I'm afraid.

No offence to my Canuk motocross buddies from the 70's, but that ethic has eroded over time.

 

[ODB]

This thread





Nothing is more annoying/pointless than winning too easy, that's why I go for leader boards, nothing easy there 👍

 

[Jbaffoh]

You Dirty B, that's PERFECT!

 

[Tony Mandara]

Ok, so I'm rude.

But if you people care enough to bitch on the internet about the difficulty, one would think you also care enough to hone your skills.

And if I see another whiner bitch about the DS3 curse, you need to see my friends leaderboard. I'm usually about 6-7 out of 28. Five above me use the DS3, and I'm on G27.

So just suck it up and learn some technique. I'm average at best, and I don't want to see this game dumbed down anymore than it is.

Yes. I'm afraid to say, you are.

btw, I use the Dpad and buttons on DS3.
I Don't feel the need to add this (or how many golds/trophies I have) to my signature.

I never said the race was too hard. Just a bit too tricky.

 

[Jbaffoh]

Yeah, I don't post gold/trophys either.

Good for you using the DS3. Just don't blame it for your times. Because i'm 55, and people 10 years my senior smoke my ass using that thing, while I have a wheel and pedals. They are awesome.

So, as I said, it's up to you to earn the prize, not up to the game to dumb it down for everyone. At that point, the core audience is history.

 

[ODB]

You Dirty B, that's PERFECT!

Hahhahahah, I could not resist

Reading this thread just makes me think I'm some sort of demi-god making top 50 spots in time trials, that's just not the case, I may got some talent but mostly it's because I've been doing insane amount of grinding, I have done something like over 3000km at nurb overtake for example, and with that sort of mileage I bet many of you worrying panorama event is too hard would have made gold long time a go. Less whining more grinding boys

 

[Jbaffoh]

Exacty. EARN IT!!! Don't expect it to be given to you.

 

[Com Fox]

People seem to forget that the feeling of a goal being too hard or too easy is a matter of personal taste.

Too easy for some people leads to boredom of the core gameplay but for others they can experience the sights, have a casual freedom time, find secrets or even focus more heavily on the story.

Too hard for some people leads to fustration as they try all they know but it isn't good enough but others use to learn new ways to master, or for the more deserving award in the end.

Lastly, Skill is also factor in its shift of Too Easy or Too Hard as some will something easy while others find something hard.

So, when it is difficulty, it comes to more personal than fact. Don't expect people to love/hate the difficulty of such things.

 

[Tony Mandara]

Hey, hey... don't come around here with that voice of reason....

...just tell people to shut up and EARN IT!

 

[TS050]

I use the Dpad and buttons on DS3.

Maybe you could try using the analogue stick? I'm pretty sure it's more precise than using the D-Pad. But, y'know, it's your preference.

I never said the race was too hard. Just a bit too tricky.

Honestly? The survival seasonal isn't that hard. If you are finding hard, try using the TS030, or the Furai (try praiano's tune).

 

[Tony Mandara]

Ok.Ok. I'll admit my control (or lack of, as the case may be!) method is a bit clunky, having never changed since I started with the original GT those many, many moons ago.....
..but did anyone notice that I said I have
finished (and won) that race?

I've also won the Jaguar and the Stratos events, although the latter did take half a day!

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

All game players should finish Demon's Souls at least once Talk about punishment and learning curve, it will change how you view a challenge.

 

[vsaber]

No, you can't. Depending on the weather, you can do a one or two-stopper. My experience is that a two-stop strategy is the fastest. I normally pit in laps 2 and 7 or 8 at Suzuka (RS-IM-RS or RS-IM-IM) depending on the weather. At the Nurburgring I pit in laps 3 and 8 (RS-IM-IM or RS-IM-RS). It is possible with a one-stop strategy though, using intermediates the entire race. But if it gets dry early, your tyres will be completely gone long before the finish line. I found that the wetter the race, the easier it is. In the wet, the AI is really slow. In the Suzuka race thread I wrote down all pit strategies of your most important AI rivals, so you can see what they do.

I've heard people doing the races without a pit-stop using the Furai or Mazda LM55 I think, but since using such a car feels like cheating to me and because I like the SuperGT and JGTC cars too much, I haven't driven anything other than SuperGT and JGTC cars. You can win with all of them in stock form (at around 560-570 PP) so if you add a turbo then you should definitely be able to win.

In my last post, forgot to mention the Honda HSV's, probably had my easiest victory on the Nurburgring with one of these and on Suzuka they're easy to drive too.

Ok, I'll try those. Much thanks for the suggestions.

 

[Racin-Rev]

People seem to forget that the feeling of a goal being too hard or too easy is a matter of personal taste.

Too easy for some people leads to boredom of the core gameplay but for others they can experience the sights, have a casual freedom time, find secrets or even focus more heavily on the story.

Too hard for some people leads to fustration as they try all they know but it isn't good enough but others use to learn new ways to master, or for the more deserving award in the end.

Lastly, Skill is also factor in its shift of Too Easy or Too Hard as some will something easy while others find something hard.

So, when it is difficulty, it comes to more personal than fact. Don't expect people to love/hate the difficulty of such things.

Yoda, is that you, with proper syntax???

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Tried the Nurburgring and Suzuka events yesterday, was surprised you can possibly lap the whole field in a 10 lap race. That to me means they need to be making it a lot harder and it will be good if getting a Bronze, Silver or Gold seem like a good achievement to reach. I remember back when I used to play old GTs, I thought Bronze was a good achievement. GT PSP is probably the most difficult overall GT game in recent times, they need to go back to that level at least.

 

[ODB]

All game players should finish Demon's Souls at least once Talk about punishment and learning curve, it will change how you view a challenge.

It's kind of funny, but I think that same time I'm learning some car handling in this game, I'm getting better and better at handling disappointment and frustration, and hell, I'm already over 30 years old, I should have learned those traits long a go

And for those who are struggling to make gold at some TT or some other event, just forget the gold time and just improve your time/position little by little, your not doing this for the game or anyone else but for yourself, so forget what game wants and just do your own maximum, and after you have done as many laps as you can during that two weeks and still not making gold you just have to say to yourself, I wasn't good enough, but at least I tried . If you aim too high your never gonna make nothing more than yourself angry, but saying something is simply too hard is as good up as giving up and you can forget the whole thing at that instant.

So, I don't go for the number one spot in the world at TT's as it would demoralize me at first event, I go for as good time as I just possible can do, and afterwards I can check from the LB how far it took me. And the feeling of accomplishment comes from looking back that event and all the work I have done for my result, if someone is faster than me, so what? good for him, he must be awesome driver 👍

Also I have always viewed license tests and these TT's as a learning tool, learning ain't usually that fun, fun comes afterwards, so approaching this game thinking "I'm gonna have fun time at every event" is just wrong, first you learn the hard stuff, then you'll have such fun you never even imagined

But yeah, I enjoy this game very much, and the enjoyment just gets bigger and bigger more I learn. so that's why I really want to encourage everyone to but some effort to it, you'll soon find out you're enjoying this game more and more, just takes some "not that fun" work first, that's all

 

[Castrol96]

TOO HARD???

What is wrong with you people? DO THE MATH!

Sometimes I'm only out for gold because I don't have the time to put in for a good time. I usually get gold in my first attempt, and I'm usually 2-3 seconds ahead of the gold time. By the end of the event period, I'm usually around 35,000 to 40,000 in the world. The leaders have me beat by 4-5 seconds.

What does that tell you??? Tens of thousands of people beat the gold time every week by several seconds!

Stop whining. If you don't like your time, then WORK AT IT!!! If you're a "casual gamer," then you shouldn't give a damn! Stop trying to dumb down the game for people who actually care.

Listen wiseass!
1. Im not a casual gamer!

2. I mostly achieve golds!

3. I've played all and completed all the Gran Turismo's

4. I took a 9 month break

5. I know what I'm doing..improving...getting used again!!!

 

[luv2drive]

I'll obviously sound like an old fart here, but the amount of whinging when something is difficult is ridiculous. There's no appreciation of the 'challenge itself', or recognition that perhaps the person complaining needs to apply some effort to get better at the game, just an assumption that it should be easily achievable... the modern day 'it's always someone else's fault' attitude.

Wow, looks like I missed an interesting thread. I guess I didn't have it in my watch list.

Anyway @Stotty, Amen brother! I guess you can count me in the old fart club as well, and I'm in 100% agreement with you.

This whining is similar to what we see in society in general these days - everyone thinks they are entitled to win, regardless of whether they are good enough. It's ridiculous. The "everyone gets a ribbon just for trying" concept makes me sick to my stomach.

Let's be realistic here - some drivers are better than others, nothing can change that, it's the law of averages. If PD wants to make events harder, then let them. There's sometimes as many as 100,000 people each week that try the seasonals of a wide range of abilities, so they can't please everyone, and they have to put the line somewhere on the bell curve. I've seen in the forums that most of the "top drivers" complain all the time that the "expert" events are too easy, so PD decided to raise the bar a little - good for them. From what I've seen the "expert bar" changes from time to time, and as others have mentioned, higher payouts generally mean a higher bar. (They also needed something to their audience interested for 2 weeks).

In GT5 when I was just learning the game, I had trouble with several of the events, but that challenge is what motivated me to improve. I'm better now, but I'm not going to complain that the events are too easy just because I can finish them in less time. And if they make it too hard for me, I can either improve or not gold the event. If I can't gold it, then it's my fault, nobody else's.

It's not written anywhere whether expert is "top 20%", "top 10%", "top 5%", or "top 1%". But regardless, it is what it is, and there's no point in getting all upset about it.

Happy Racing!

 

[Jbaffoh]

Wow, looks like I missed an interesting thread. I guess I didn't have it in my watch list.

Anyway @Stotty, Amen brother! I guess you can count me in the old fart club as well, and I'm in 100% agreement with you.

This whining is similar to what we see in society in general these days - everyone thinks they are entitled to win, regardless of whether they are good enough. It's ridiculous. The "everyone gets a ribbon just for trying" concept makes me sick to my stomach.

Let's be realistic here - some drivers are better than others, nothing can change that, it's the law of averages. If PD wants to make events harder, then let them. There's sometimes as many as 100,000 people each week that try the seasonals of a wide range of abilities, so they can't please everyone, and they have to put the line somewhere on the bell curve. I've seen in the forums that most of the "top drivers" complain all the time that the "expert" events are too easy, so PD decided to raise the bar a little - good for them. From what I've seen the "expert bar" changes from time to time, and as others have mentioned, higher payouts generally mean a higher bar. (They also needed something to their audience interested for 2 weeks).

In GT5 when I was just learning the game, I had trouble with several of the events, but that challenge is what motivated me to improve. I'm better now, but I'm not going to complain that the events are too easy just because I can finish them in less time. And if they make it too hard for me, I can either improve or not gold the event. If I can't gold it, then it's my fault, nobody else's.

It's not written anywhere whether expert is "top 20%", "top 10%", "top 5%", or "top 1%". But regardless, it is what it is, and there's no point in getting all upset about it.

Happy Racing!

Well said!