Hard Seasonal events!

[Dragonthing]

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This is what I don't get. You say the Seasonals are horrible if you can't obtain Gold. Did you ever stop and think that perhaps you are not an "expert" level driver? I KNOW I'm not an expert level driver, yet I almost always get Gold. For full disclosure, I don't even attempt the drifting events as I have no interest in driving a car sliding sideways. People need to stop taking things as an insult just because they may not be able to beat the top level of every game.

I really wish there were events that were even more challenging. I have a terrible habit of being very lazy when it comes to Seasonal Event Time Trials. I usually get my Gold Medal time (if I'm able) and then I quit. I don't even try to improve upon it. I should...just to see how I stack up against others, but I'm lazy.

What I don't get is why everything else they give us is stupidly easy, you can get 1st place within the first lap when you're right on the PP limit, but suddenly I can't finish better than 45 seconds behind 1st. That and they throw around words like "Expert" as if everyone takes the game super cereal and spends every night dreaming of steering wheels and new racing pedals. I'm not a serious player, but I am pretty damn good at getting gold on everything else they've given us. Hell in GT5 I had gold on every single A-spec and seasonal, and the challenges. Why isn't this remotely possible now?

 

[dahcmai]

I really just need a better wheel set up so I can actually use the manual trans. I can't seem to get used to paddle shifting. To used to my own car where you have to slam the gear shifter to shift. Makes me wonder what my times would be if I did it. I'm no leaderboard person, but I can get decent places in the 100's here and there if it's a track I've driven a lot.

 

[RodolphoPNeto]

With a decent wheel setup, a couple of tries and you're 'golden'. I'm no leaderboard driver (far from that) but these holiday seasonals have just the right amount of challenge imo.

I just hope PD will keep these survivals... i haven't had that much fun (as long as i use a GT500 car, that is) in a long time...

 

[MatskiMonk]

The Huaryarya overtake challenge reminded me why I don't care if GT6/7 gets the latest round of Hypercars or not... yes it's a challenge, but so is tapping a very delicate crystal cognac glass with a 40lb sledgehammer - and I don't suppose that's much fun either!

Seriously though, manged Gold on my 2nd clean run, which true to form was about my 50th attempt. Don't think I'll be driving the Hyarauraya again any time soon.

 

[Teflonicus]

It's not possible to do it much quicker, because of the loading times between the events.

After golding the Bathurst challenge i just changed the car and got gold at the drift event on my 3rd attempt.
When i watch the leaderboard it shows that the drift gold was done 6mins after the Bathurst event.

The point is, everbody will need minimum 5mins from exit one event untill golding the next event. So even for the best players the limit for golding the 4 seasonals is around 20mins.

So then twenty minutes isn't "much quicker" than thirty minutes?

 

[Castrol96]

I'm concerned by the thread title, PD might look at it and make things easier . @Castrol96 Soon as you think you are a pro now, try and get Gold on old GT games like GT1 or GT2 if you have the game, they work on PS3 and see after if you think the seasonal events currently are too hard or too easy in comparison.

I really hope for future games, it will be like the older GT games in terms of difficulties where first attempts are less likely to be Gold and some where you have to push really close to the limit to get gold. I think Kaz used to set the times, if he doesn't have time to do it anymore, then they should get YAM23 to do a good benchmark time which could potentially be then used as a platinum time.

I've yet to do the new seasonals so hopefully it is harder than usual and they continue on with this direction 👍.

Hay, listen here don't get too ahead of yourself suggesting that I haven't played Gran Turismo before! I have completed the entire series with Golds! Don't try and spot out points from the Introduction of the thread! Look through the latest comments I posted on thread

 

[yikadaemu]

Pagani Howrya challenge: Love the course. Hate the car. Have had fun dorking around with the challenge, but got bored at silver and already have the car (Which is currently languishing in the stockyard.). Nice credits even at bronze and silver. Have found it best to have fun and admit that I am by no means an expert at this game.

 

[YuRiPa]

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What I don't get is why everything else they give us is stupidly easy, you can get 1st place within the first lap when you're right on the PP limit, but suddenly I can't finish better than 45 seconds behind 1st. That and they throw around words like "Expert" as if everyone takes the game super cereal and spends every night dreaming of steering wheels and new racing pedals. I'm not a serious player, but I am pretty damn good at getting gold on everything else they've given us. Hell in GT5 I had gold on every single A-spec and seasonal, and the challenges. Why isn't this remotely possible now?

You should take a look at the threads about the Nurb and Suzuka races, lots of tactics and car set-ups are being discussed there. Both the Nurb and Suzuka races can be won with stock GT500 cars (all GT500 and JGTC cars, I've tried them all), you just need to have the proper car set-up for your car. Except for the Xanavi Nismo Z, you can win with the stock tune it comes with. If I can win these races and get gold fairly easily on the Holiday seasonals, 99% of people here can do it. I'm just average, using DS3 with X for acceleration and square for braking (automatic transmission). Otherwise, use the Nissan GTR GT500 Stealth car, even I can do 1:53 laps with that car on Suzuka. That car will always win the race for you. No need for a de-tuned LMP car.

With the Suzuka race, aim for lap times of around 1:58 in the dry, do a 2-stop race with stops in laps 2 and 8 (RS-IM-RS) and you'll come out as number 1 on nearly all occasions.

Hardest GT challenge ever is the the (I think) last S-license test in GT3, do Monaco with the Toyota GT-One LM car, without TC.. Took me several days to just get bronze there.

But I agree with you that there is a huge difference in difficulty for normal seasonals and these ones. However, I sincerely hope the seasonals will stay like this, I love the Suzuka challenge. Still hoping (though knowing better) that PD will make that one permanently available.

 

[ALB123]

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What I don't get is why everything else they give us is stupidly easy, you can get 1st place within the first lap when you're right on the PP limit, but suddenly I can't finish better than 45 seconds behind 1st. That and they throw around words like "Expert" as if everyone takes the game super cereal and spends every night dreaming of steering wheels and new racing pedals. I'm not a serious player, but I am pretty damn good at getting gold on everything else they've given us. Hell in GT5 I had gold on every single A-spec and seasonal, and the challenges. Why isn't this remotely possible now?

You make a very valid point. The rest of the year the Expert Level seasonals are way easier than what they've given us for the Holiday. There were a couple that were pretty hard, like the orange Lexus at 24hr Nurburgring, but those difficulties were the exception rather than the rule. I don't know why they can't just find a consistent level of difficulty across the board. It would sure make things easier to talk about.

 

[Teflonicus]

Hay, listen here don't get too ahead of yourself suggesting that I haven't played Gran Turismo before! I have completed the entire series with Golds! Don't try and spot out points from the Introduction of the thread! Look through the latest comments I posted on thread

The "entire series with golds"? To me, saying that "I have completed the entire series with golds," means that you have completed every licence, test, special event, race, TT, seasonal, A-spec, B-spec race ... the whole shebang from GT in 1997 to GT6 in 2013 with gold in each.

Is that what you really mean?

 

[yikadaemu]

Gold: That was the general color of my beer as I was drunkenly weaving about banging guard rails and what not while pretending that I knew what I was doing and not worrying about be arrested for driving while intoxicated (or stupid). There were, of course, a few stouts quaffed during the excursion.

 

[tbone_2004]

The Mazda LM55 challenge was fun, I haven't had a chance to do the 10-Lap Survival Races, BUT THOSE OVERTAKE CHALLENGES? THOSE ARE, BEYOND ANY DOUBT, THE WORST SEASONAL EVENTS OF ALL! And that's saying a lot, because I had a good fair share of bad seasonal events throughout 2014, BUT THESE?! Oh my lord, I just rage quit on the Pagani seasonal. Who do they think I am, Mario Andretti? Forget that stuff!

 

[ODB]

but some of the license tests were rock hard and some of the missions in 4 were very, very hard (particularly 34, the SLR on the Nurb)

Especially that two minute waiting at the start was really nice, made you think twice about restarting

Hope they're able to come up with something similiar for GT6, sierra challenges don't come even close

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Hay, listen here don't get too ahead of yourself suggesting that I haven't played Gran Turismo before! I have completed the entire series with Golds! Don't try and spot out points from the Introduction of the thread! Look through the latest comments I posted on thread

Not suggesting that but from what I read so far it seems, you think you have got pro level due to being able to Gold GT5 seasonal events. Have also taken a break but find it hard to gold some of these new events and getting closer to golding them as you get the hang of things again. Maybe you need a bit of practice to get back to your previous level as if you can Gold the entire GT series, then I don't see any reason why you won't be able to Gold the new GT6 seasonal events.

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

Especially that two minute waiting at the start was really nice, made you think twice about restarting

Hope they're able to come up with something similiar for GT6, sierra challenges don't come even close

Remember this challenge well. Took me a while to gold this one. Then almost there but messing it up in the last couple of corners after the long straight and wait 2 minutes again to help you concentrate........

 

[SW__10]

GT3....S8! ..........

 

[Bluesman81977]

Go play driveclub. I promise you a broken controller within an hour.

Lol! So it's not any good i take it?

 

[photonrider]

I thinks he's saying that the recent "Christmas holidays" events are made to be hard for their payouts and prizes. I can't get gold but a close sliver in them; he's right for that.

And you were right about that. I was saying they were made to be hard. Or at least, so PD (Podi, Polyphony Digital/Sony) said. If one read.

To readdress the OP - the core subject we are discussing here:
I'll take it that what you were saying was that this particular round of Seasonals was harder than the usual Seasonals.

So let's analyse the reality of that before we can agree, or feel otherwise because they are in opposition to ours, about your feelings.

Difficult/Easy are subjective states influenced by what is learned, as well as labels for objective measurements.

Climbing Mt. Everest would be 'hard' for most of us - both objectively (in terms of measured fitness and experience) as well as subjectively (we wouldn't even feel mentally geared for it, and our untrained bodies will not endure the rigors.)
It would be less hard, or easier, or even easy for those who have climbed that peak many times before. (It may have been harder for them before.)

Comparative states - only existing because of the existence of the other.

So how does this apply to GT6/our skills - and testing of such/perceptions - and both objective and subjective measurements of such perceptions/and final perceived conclusion of a particular event or set of events being classified as ' hard' or 'easy' as mutually perceived by all?

That is the question we have to answer before we agree with you as to whether 'the Seasonals' (as stated in your title) or whether only the present set of Seasonals (Holiday Seasonals) was harder than 'normal' Seasonals - in comparison.

The answer? Yes, they were. The set of two Holiday Seasonals with their extreme payouts and harder-to-buy prize cars, was supposed to be harder. Officially.

If the majority of players found this present round harder - they were made to be that way.
If you actually beat these events or even almost excelled at them, you were becoming a better player, and also being amply rewarded for it with higher payouts.
I dare say that even the heroes who climbed the Mt. Everests of the drifting and hot-lapping circuits easily before, found it just a little more time consuming this time to push the limits and break through the usual event horizon.

If you need graphic evidence that the Holiday Seasonals are (still open, right?) meant to be harder (difficulty level set higher) here is some:

 

[kilesa4568]

I thought they had the difficulty level just right with the Nordschleife event a couple of months ago. Where it seemed the AI pace was dependant on the players speed, and I say "seemed" because the faster I went in that event, the closer the racing seemed to be.

These events were a good couple of levels more difficult for me. By level, I'd say I was a 15 out of 20 for skill (love overrating myself) and the Nordscleife event was a 12 so well within my limits. These events though are easily level 14-15 and on my limit and I'd put the Huayra at 16 or 17. Too frustrating to be fun.

 

[Tony Mandara]

I've absolutely HAD IT with these 'seasonal' seasonals, now. Got the Jaguar, I'm not punishing myself any further. I haven't shouted at a game so much since I was 12! (I'm over 40 now!)

Don't get me started on time trials either. 55/65 thousandths of a second over gold time..... every time.....
....there's something very fishy about that!

 

[lbpomg95]

The Jag and Lancia overtake I found quite easy, once you could predict the freaking script the AI were using - I mean, exactly the same line every time.

The Huayra challenge? PD - WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?! Do you test these events before you put them out? How do you think people are goingto react to a Huayra that most definitely isn't stock (handles far too crap to be stock), and a Reventon that no matter how long you wait for an oppurtunity to overtake, it'll stay slap bang in the middle on one of the thinnest tracks in GT6, and yet touching the damn thing results in a failure. Umm, what?!

 

[photonrider]

Alright . . . I am not laughing at you guys, we actually seem to be taking it with some humour - at least we're still playing this game . . . believe me I'm in the same position. Some of the events were frustrating (if not downright time-wasters) to say the least.

To each their own. But would be nice, as always, if we had more choices of races, not just TTs.

 

[lbpomg95]

Alright . . . I am not laughing at you guys, we actually seem to be taking it with some humour - at least we're still playing this game . . . believe me I'm in the same position. Some of the events were frustrating (if not downright time-wasters) to say the least.

To each their own. But would be nice, as always, if we had more choices of races, not just TTs.

I'd love a few events with variation. Let's say a 20 lap race on Spa with tuned 420PP Kei cars. Imagine an AI in some crap (by which I mean awesome) Suzuki Cervo in lime green with a massive rear wing.

Followed by a 5 lap sprint on Ascari in 580PP tuned mid engine supercars.

Challenging or not, I would love something like that. PP difference bonus from GT5 would be much welcomed, too.

It's go figure that the seasonals would pay tonnes of money - I'd just like to earn my money in something that isn't a screaming Red Bull...

 

[Jbaffoh]

Certainly not the case for me as I've had every version of the game

To be honest, I don't remember a huge amount about the 1st 2, but I played 3 and 4 to completion with the DS. 3 and 4 weren't hard overall (the 'A spec' events were just as easy as in later versions), but some of the license tests were rock hard and some of the missions in 4 were very, very hard (particularly 34, the SLR on the Nurb)... even hardened players didn't just run a few attempts to get the feel then gold them on their 3rd or 4th try.

5 and 6 have been a disappointment as far as challenge/difficulty is concerned.

I was really looking forward to the license tests in 5, but I'd breezed through them all less than 24 hours after picking up the game - all gold. Very disappointing. The missions were all straight forward too. Only the Vettel Challenges were a 'challenge', but that car doesn't have anything to do with driving IMO!

6 has proven to be even easier than 5... I honestly don't remember anything in GT6 that took more than a few attempts to gold - maybe the X1 at Goodwood.

I think part of it is PD need to accommodate a range of abilities and also make the game accessible for both DS3 and wheel users. Despite some people being super quick with a DS3, a wheel does make the game easier IMO.

But the other part, I think, is more modern culture. To shorten a quote from Homer Simpson; 'Kids, you tried and you failed. The lesson is, never try.'

I'll obviously sound like an old fart here, but the amount of whinging when something is difficult is ridiculous. There's no appreciation of the 'challenge itself', or recognition that perhaps the person complaining needs to apply some effort to get better at the game, just an assumption that it should be easily achievable... the modern day 'it's always someone else's fault' attitude.

For me, the greater the challenge, the greater the pleasure when you beat it.

Perfect.

 

[Jbaffoh]

The Jag and Lancia overtake I found quite easy, once you could predict the freaking script the AI were using - I mean, exactly the same line every time.

The Huayra challenge? PD - WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?! Do you test these events before you put them out? How do you think people are goingto react to a Huayra that most definitely isn't stock (handles far too crap to be stock), and a Reventon that no matter how long you wait for an oppurtunity to overtake, it'll stay slap bang in the middle on one of the thinnest tracks in GT6, and yet touching the damn thing results in a failure. Umm, what?!

Watch some replays. The Reventon gives up several passing opportunities.

 

[Jbaffoh]

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What I don't get is why everything else they give us is stupidly easy, you can get 1st place within the first lap when you're right on the PP limit, but suddenly I can't finish better than 45 seconds behind 1st. That and they throw around words like "Expert" as if everyone takes the game super cereal and spends every night dreaming of steering wheels and new racing pedals. I'm not a serious player, but I am pretty damn good at getting gold on everything else they've given us. Hell in GT5 I had gold on every single A-spec and seasonal, and the challenges. Why isn't this remotely possible now?

Mazda VGT, detune and add weight to 600 pp. Int. tires. You should win by about a minute. Not hard at all.

 

[Aphelion]

Lol! So it's not any good i take it?

Well it is a very debateable subject. The reason i said that is while i was learning how to drive in the game, and learning all the circuits, the AI relentlessly screwed me over to the point that i hated the game. Once i got used to everything though, i found the game to be ok.

 

[Jbaffoh]

Well it is a very debateable subject. The reason i said that is while i was learning how to drive in the game, and learning all the circuits, the AI relentlessly screwed me over to the point that i hated the game. Once i got used to everything though, i found the game to be ok.

As for the AI "screwing" people, two words: Defensive driving. Having grown up driving in snow, I treat every vehicle as a guided missile aimed at me. Your job is to anticipate and avoid. It's not hard.

 

[Aphelion]

As for the AI "screwing" people, two words: Defensive driving. Having grown up driving in snow, I treat every vehicle as a guided missile aimed at me. Your job is to anticipate and avoid. It's not hard.

It is when the AI is somewhat competitive (probably due to rubber-banding). But yes, you do learn to be very defensive, the trick is to get in front of everyone ASAP and then just drive at your own pace; the AI has no choice but to slow down with you. Too slow though and they will just overtake you again.

 

[Jbaffoh]

It is when the AI is somewhat competitive (probably due to rubber-banding). But yes, you do learn to be very defensive, the trick is to get in front of everyone ASAP and then just drive at your own pace; the AI has no choice but to slow down with you. Too slow though and they will just overtake you again.

If they're close behind, I anticipate their line and stay out of it. If you just pass them and stick to the obvious line, they can shove you off.