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That's cause you ain't a proper BTCC fan
.Can't wait, 11th of October I make the 9 and a half hour trip down to Brands GP for the BTCC finale!
Heartfelt congratulations to Jammy for winning ITCC 3!
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That's cause you ain't a proper BTCC fan
.Can't wait, 11th of October I make the 9 and a half hour trip down to Brands GP for the BTCC finale!
- 12,893
- Divided States of America
- MikuHime80
RBR Announcement:
Boy-wonder has signed as the second driver for Red Bull Racing.
Car Base color: Matte Dark Blue
Car Wheel Color: Nas: Red, Boy: Yellow
Alt Colors: Pink (Through Oct. [Breast Cancer Awareness])
Boy-wonder has signed as the second driver for Red Bull Racing.
Car Base color: Matte Dark Blue
Car Wheel Color: Nas: Red, Boy: Yellow
Alt Colors: Pink (Through Oct. [Breast Cancer Awareness])
- 9,387
- Pittsburgh
- polarbear345
I personally don't think you should have driver speed and rivals in the biographies. Some people may be offended about it.
- 12,893
- Divided States of America
- MikuHime80
"Rival" Means one that you tend to race hard with. Not the guy you want to murder.
Speed? Im saying like, "So and so has proven themself by avoiding all melee thrown at them this season" ect.
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- launceston
- boy-wonder_2000
I'm very happy with my signing with rbr, and look forward to the long journey to the teams title
- 12,893
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- MikuHime80
Glad to hear that. Andrew, do we get our points to merge into the team points?
ALSO: Next week is the first race in October! Show your Breasg Cancer Awareness and go pink for the October Races!!
ALSO: Next week is the first race in October! Show your Breasg Cancer Awareness and go pink for the October Races!!
- 11,339
- The 51st state of america
- sparkytooth50001
Isn't having a pink LFA as your avatar enough for you nas?
- 12,893
- Divided States of America
- MikuHime80
Nope 
Got my Pink Mazda and Pink helmet ready for friday!
Got my Pink Mazda and Pink helmet ready for friday!
- 11,339
- The 51st state of america
- sparkytooth50001
The only beautiful Pink Car IMO is LFA.
ITCC_Andrew
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Just a reminder:
Tomorrow (today in UK, Europe) we will be having a make-up day race/run group B. Circuit will be Trial Mountain Circuit.
All normal ITCC rules, regulations, and specs are to be enforced.
However, the points system will be different:
As I saved the replays from all three races in Run Group A, Round 3, I can mathematically compare the two Run Groups. An example of this is as follows:
Jammy: 15:36.565 Race Total Time in Run Group A - overall winner
MrM: 15:40.801 Race Total Time in Run Group A - second overall
polar: 15:42.789 Race Total Time in Run Group B - third place overall (GVE points)
eDirtyTati: 15:44.406 Race Total Time in Run Group B - fourth place overall
polar: 15:46.200 Race Total Time in Run Group A - fifth place overall (TMC points)
Jammy can not gain more points by improving his positions; he's already attained the maximum points, and can only run in Run Group B as a "fun run."
MrM can only attempt to improve on his positions as compared to the times run in Run Group A. If he is able to improve on his Race Total Time, enough to beat Jammy's time, well that's bragging rights and not much else.
Polar, however, can make up points from Grand Valley East, using the lower finishing position (fifth place Run Group A) as the points scoring races for GVE round 2, and the better scores for Trial Mountain Round.
This is only possible if you have two data points; if you come to Run Group A and Run Group B, you'll have two data points; you'll score points for the round in question (Trial Mountain) and any other races you've missed/disconnected out of (Grand Valley East.)
So, for example:
sparkytooth can make up points for GVE Race 3
polar etc. can make up points for GVE
gokartman can make up points from Trial Mountain.
tbw, sakery, and all of those drivers who have yet to come to a race, or who made their ITCC 3 debut at Trial Mountain, can make up points from previous rounds that they missed.
eDirtyTati, dano20 and punishir will all score their regular points based on the times they run in Run Group B. Those Total Race Times will be compared to the Total Race Times in Run Group A.
So, if eDirtyTati runs a faster race than MrM, but slower than Jammy, eDirtyTati will score second place points for that race. This way, we can have a field of 32 cars - technically - all scored directly against each other.
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I know, it sounds complicated, but it's not that bad.
Basically, anyone who's missed a race can make it up, and score full points for that race. Disconnects count as a race someone missed, and can be made up. Disqualifications can not be made up, and are permanent 0s. Drivers in Run Group A (Fridays) are only able to score points based on how they did in Run Group A, and as an "overall" score against Run Group A and Run Group B.
Run Group B is only able to score points on Saturdays, as a comparison against Run Group A times.
So, for those who race on Fridays, the only difference you'll notice is that your position may be lower when the points are actually calculated, if a Run Group B driver is faster than the Run Group A drivers. Winning a race against the guys in your run group guarantees you that position in your run group, but not against the guys in the other run group.
So, Friday guys and Saturday guys are racing directly against each other, but they're racing each other via the clock, almost like in rallying, rather than bashing doors with each other via time machines; that would be weird.
Tomorrow (today in UK, Europe) we will be having a make-up day race/run group B. Circuit will be Trial Mountain Circuit.
All normal ITCC rules, regulations, and specs are to be enforced.
However, the points system will be different:
As I saved the replays from all three races in Run Group A, Round 3, I can mathematically compare the two Run Groups. An example of this is as follows:
Jammy: 15:36.565 Race Total Time in Run Group A - overall winner
MrM: 15:40.801 Race Total Time in Run Group A - second overall
polar: 15:42.789 Race Total Time in Run Group B - third place overall (GVE points)
eDirtyTati: 15:44.406 Race Total Time in Run Group B - fourth place overall
polar: 15:46.200 Race Total Time in Run Group A - fifth place overall (TMC points)
- Jammy would score his full Run Group A points.
- MrM would score his full Run Group A points.
- polar would score his full (fifth place) Run Group A points for TMC points.
- eDirtyTati would score his full Run Group B points, as if he finished RGA in fourth.
- polar would score third place GVE points during the make up round.
Jammy can not gain more points by improving his positions; he's already attained the maximum points, and can only run in Run Group B as a "fun run."
MrM can only attempt to improve on his positions as compared to the times run in Run Group A. If he is able to improve on his Race Total Time, enough to beat Jammy's time, well that's bragging rights and not much else.
Polar, however, can make up points from Grand Valley East, using the lower finishing position (fifth place Run Group A) as the points scoring races for GVE round 2, and the better scores for Trial Mountain Round.
This is only possible if you have two data points; if you come to Run Group A and Run Group B, you'll have two data points; you'll score points for the round in question (Trial Mountain) and any other races you've missed/disconnected out of (Grand Valley East.)
So, for example:
sparkytooth can make up points for GVE Race 3
polar etc. can make up points for GVE
gokartman can make up points from Trial Mountain.
tbw, sakery, and all of those drivers who have yet to come to a race, or who made their ITCC 3 debut at Trial Mountain, can make up points from previous rounds that they missed.
eDirtyTati, dano20 and punishir will all score their regular points based on the times they run in Run Group B. Those Total Race Times will be compared to the Total Race Times in Run Group A.
So, if eDirtyTati runs a faster race than MrM, but slower than Jammy, eDirtyTati will score second place points for that race. This way, we can have a field of 32 cars - technically - all scored directly against each other.
-------------------------------------------------------------
I know, it sounds complicated, but it's not that bad.
Basically, anyone who's missed a race can make it up, and score full points for that race. Disconnects count as a race someone missed, and can be made up. Disqualifications can not be made up, and are permanent 0s. Drivers in Run Group A (Fridays) are only able to score points based on how they did in Run Group A, and as an "overall" score against Run Group A and Run Group B.
Run Group B is only able to score points on Saturdays, as a comparison against Run Group A times.
So, for those who race on Fridays, the only difference you'll notice is that your position may be lower when the points are actually calculated, if a Run Group B driver is faster than the Run Group A drivers. Winning a race against the guys in your run group guarantees you that position in your run group, but not against the guys in the other run group.
So, Friday guys and Saturday guys are racing directly against each other, but they're racing each other via the clock, almost like in rallying, rather than bashing doors with each other via time machines; that would be weird.
- 12,893
- Divided States of America
- MikuHime80
So... I can make up points tomorrow from GVE, but next week I cant do anything?? This seems very odd...
- 11,339
- The 51st state of america
- sparkytooth50001
I prefer to be a time traveler 
ITCC_Andrew
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It makes sense when you consider it this way: it doesn't change the outcomes of any events in a way that it wouldn't if Run Group A and Run Group B could run on the same track at the same time.
However, because I'm nice, and I don't want to see Run Group B having "off-weeks" wherein few people show up, I'm inviting Run Group A drivers to come to Run Group B, and vice versa, when possible, purely for the fun of it, and for make-up points.
But, in the end, there's nothing between you and a win, except raw speed, so it doesn't really change the points situation at all. The only difference, is that you're competing against 20+ cars, instead of 11. Yes, Saturdays are apparently also popular.
Edit: this was my explanation of it to polarbear via Facebook:
However, because I'm nice, and I don't want to see Run Group B having "off-weeks" wherein few people show up, I'm inviting Run Group A drivers to come to Run Group B, and vice versa, when possible, purely for the fun of it, and for make-up points.
But, in the end, there's nothing between you and a win, except raw speed, so it doesn't really change the points situation at all. The only difference, is that you're competing against 20+ cars, instead of 11. Yes, Saturdays are apparently also popular.
Edit: this was my explanation of it to polarbear via Facebook:
- 12,893
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- MikuHime80
What? Im too confused... Will attending tomorrow get me GVE points?
- 1,274
- launceston
- boy-wonder_2000
Andrew, do I carry my points over from tsap to RBR as its a merger not a swap
- 11,339
- The 51st state of america
- sparkytooth50001
It's like making up points for what you didn't get points for genius.
ITCC_Andrew
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Yes, but only if you have rounds to make up.
Everyone is welcome to race in whichever Run Group best fits their schedule.
Everyone is welcome to make up points for a disconnect or a round that they missed.
Everyone is racing directly against each other.
The teams you are merging will have their points merged. Because both teams were Mazda teams, Mazda will receive the same number of points, that will not change. TSAP and RBR points will merge together, and the drivers will keep their points scored.
Especially since you're still using the same manufacturer's car, the switch really is quite easy; all I have to do is change the name of your team, and the colours on the points spreadsheets and you're good to go. 👍
The points are earned, though, rather than dropped at the end of the season.
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- MikuHime80
Cool. So if it come down to a group B beating group A for the cup, will individual victors be crowned?
- 91
- Toronto
- whiskymaser
- Riley Mercer
on it... as it happens drew isnt so good with the inner workings of spreadsheet organization
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- Divided States of America
- MikuHime80
^^ Obviously lol
ITCC_Andrew
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Run Group A and Run Group B will be scored both cumulatively as one 20+ car field, and as the separate Run Groups.
So, Run Group A guys can run as Run Group A guys for the full season, and they'll automatically be scoring points for the cumulative 20+ car field, and their separate Run Group A. If they choose to attend a Run Group B race day, to make up for a missed event or non-DSQ lost points, they will score points on the cumulative field and the Run Group A events they missed only.
At its core, this is simply a merger of two race groups into one, using the Total Race Timer.
The difficult bit, is explaining how people from one Run Group can score make up points. If Run Group A guy joins Run Group B, Run Group B's points aren't affected, except Run Group A guy gains points in the Run Group A event that was missed.
So, nas, you can make up for GVE, but where you score as a Run Group A driver won't mess with Run Group B points, and vice versa. However, if you finish fourth in Run Group B, you'll receive those fourth place points as the make up points for GVE, but the next Run Group B guy will get his own fourth place points, as if it were an "in-class" fourth place, and you were in a different class.
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- MikuHime80
So its like this?:
1. RGB Driver 16pts
2. Nas 15pts
3. RGB Driver 15pts
4. RGB Driver 14pts? So me participating actually helps the Group B guys?
1. RGB Driver 16pts
2. Nas 15pts
3. RGB Driver 15pts
4. RGB Driver 14pts? So me participating actually helps the Group B guys?
ITCC_Andrew
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How? It's more that you're there to get as many points as you can, which means that you have to finish ahead of them, which normally means that... you have to be in front of them.
The points system is correct, yes, but you don't affect them when you're making up your races, except that they probably don't want you to get 100 points for a make up round, and will probably try to beat you to ensure that you don't get those 100 points.
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- MikuHime80
So how many people are racing tm? Maybe if is less laggy, i could perform better?
ITCC_Andrew
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Maybe.
I'm hoping Mr. rallymorten, Driverman447 dano20, sparky, buck, Lancer, gokartman, whiskymaser, (maybe) Sakery, tbw... etc. can all come out, because that will make the championship that much more closely contested, having that many make up rounds complete.
It's essentially a game of "count the 0s" right now.
Again, anyone's welcome, since - even when points aren't on the line - it's possible to just come out to run as fun-runs.
I'm hoping Mr. rallymorten, Driverman447 dano20, sparky, buck, Lancer, gokartman, whiskymaser, (maybe) Sakery, tbw... etc. can all come out, because that will make the championship that much more closely contested, having that many make up rounds complete.
It's essentially a game of "count the 0s" right now.
Again, anyone's welcome, since - even when points aren't on the line - it's possible to just come out to run as fun-runs.
- 91
- Toronto
- whiskymaser
- Riley Mercer
Maybe.
I'm hoping Mr. rallymorten, Driverman447 dano20, sparky, buck, Lancer, gokartman, whiskymaser, (maybe) Sakery, tbw... etc. can all come out, because that will make the championship that much more closely contested, having that many make up rounds complete.
It's essentially a game of "count the 0s" right now.
Again, anyone's welcome, since - even when points aren't on the line - it's possible to just come out to run as fun-runs.
well ill be there same time or different i cant remember
ITCC_Andrew
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In order to accommodate Europeans better, (yes, I'm talking about you, Morten) I've moved the start time of Run Group B up an hour and a half. It's 3 PM EDT (our time, Riley) and about 9 PM for Morten. Ciro, and Jammy, 10 PM. That's 8 PM for everyone in UK, and 12 Pacific (North American.)
- 12,893
- Divided States of America
- MikuHime80
So after tomorrow, theres no points gain for me attending the group B until i miss another race?
- 11,339
- The 51st state of america
- sparkytooth50001
I'm listening to the Midnight Club II soundtrack right now
The nostalgia, it's going to kill me
This game made me love racing. It inspired me to do what I'm doing in GT right now through it's sheer difficulty. Me and the 7-8 year old inside me is gonna tear up soon
I must experience this video game again. It's perfection must be witnessed by me once more
The nostalgia, it's going to kill me
This game made me love racing. It inspired me to do what I'm doing in GT right now through it's sheer difficulty. Me and the 7-8 year old inside me is gonna tear up soon
I must experience this video game again. It's perfection must be witnessed by me once more
ITCC_Andrew
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Essentially, that's correct.
However, in your case especially, I think you could benefit from the flexibility; I believe that you would be a better fit in whichever Run Group has the better connection, which would apparently work, given your apparent schedule flexibility...?
