Hillary Clinton our next president?

I'm still saying it won't happen simply due to her age and the DNC not wanting to put someone in office that would be well on their way towards approaching 80 at the end of their second term.
 
IMO, Hillary won't be president. She has too many negatives. If you must have a woman, look at Elizabeth Warren.
 
I would say she is the only realistic female candidate this time around and possibly the most qualified there ever has been and might be for the foreseeable future. It probably also is the last time she would run because in another 4 years I just don't see her being up for it.
 
Hell. No.

I'm putting my money on Rand Paul.

CAMAROBOY69
http://news.yahoo.com/how-hillary-clinton-won-the-2014-midterms-075943434.html
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The Article
In other words, for every Senate seat that Republicans flipped in 2014, there’s one — or more — that’s likely to flip back to the Democrats in 2016. The chances that the GOP will still control the upper chamber of Congress after 2016 are slim.
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This is nonsense. These seats are non "likely" to flip back to Democrats. They will be contested, yes, but at this point that's all you can say. Suggesting that the GOP won't hold the Senate two years from now is nonsense. The GOP picked up so much momentum for a reason and that reason is why a Republican being elected president in 2016 is extremely likely. Much of America is simply fed up with Obama and any of his ties to the Democrat party. I fully expect the 2016 congressional elections to mirror this year and maintain GOP control if not expand it, and also for the Republican president to be elected. The combination of Obama, Reid and Pelosi has done so much damage to the Democrats over the last several years that they will be struggling to recover for years. Hillary Clinton is basically a non-issue as she's simply riding the wave and doesn't have a big enough paddle to get out of the whirlpool that is the current Democrat landscape.

There is a slim chance that Libertarians could even be chosen on the national stage. If they are, they'll probably take place of Democrats, not Republicans.
 
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assholes.
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Not sure how someone may post this, yet it is within the AUP (is it because this is the off-topic or what (just making sure for future reference)).

Anyways, there's no chance a democrat will get elected with the Senate now in majority... Unfortunately.
I am quite disappointed to with Tuesday's turn out too. People don't realize who they are voting in to control their lives. Keep voting ex-ceo's of retail companies and we'll see where the money goes.
A lot of people don't understand that the policies couldn't be past due to the House and Senate blocking any bills in attempt to improve anything from the Dem's. Congress will have wasted the last 5-6 years of Obama's presidency, and will certainly ruin the rest.... That is, WHEN we go to war with ISIS and a war-mongering president..
 
Pretty sure we're already at war with ISIS with a president who is probably best described as extremely meddling, if not outright war-mongering like his predecessor.



In any case, the huge split that threatened to tear the Democrats in two in 2008 when Obama won the ticket and a vocal subset of Hilary supporters threatened to try to help make him lose tells me that Hilary probably is still a pretty divisive figure even in her own party to actually be the main person on the ticket. Several years (the better received early years, granted) being a major part of the current, fairly unpopular administration (as well as being the centerpiece of the administration's biggest scandal) probably hasn't helped her chances among moderate voters, either. And the good times of Bill are an increasingly distant memory to boot.
 
Swagger897
Not sure how someone may post this, yet it is within the AUP (is it because this is the off-topic or what (just making sure for future reference)).
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Because it's from last year. And a-holes are a-holes no matter their politics. There are more decent democrats and plenty of GOP a-holes too.
 
Tornado
Pretty sure we're already at war with ISIS with a president who is probably best described as extremely meddling, if not outright war-mongering like his predecessor.



In any case, the huge split that threatened to tear the Democrats in two in 2008 when Obama won the ticket and a vocal subset of Hilary supporters threatened to try to help make him lose tells me that Hilary probably is still a pretty divisive figure even in her own party to actually be the main person on the ticket. Several years (the better received early years, granted) being a major part of the current, fairly unpopular administration (as well as being the centerpiece of the administration's biggest scandal) probably hasn't helped her chances among moderate voters, either. And the good times of Bill are an increasingly distant memory to boot.
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We are dabbling at war with ISIS. If we were really at war, we would nuke Fallujah.

Obama, to his credit, took us out of Iraq and is taking us out of Afghanistan. But he became caught up in the media hype over a few idiots who got beheaded in Syria, and let his State Department hornschwaggle him into a new cold war with Russia. So he's an idiot. Hillary, on the other hand, is a true warmonger. But not quite as bad as McCain or some other neocons. Still, she is a sack of 'suet', IMO.

The "good times" are gone forever. Bill Clinton outsourced them.
 
The 2016 election could boil down to how much of a rift their is amongst the GOP throughout this upcoming term.... Can the party agree on anything or will they bicker amongst themselves as Ted Cruz has already show distaste for Mcconnell...
 
Rich S
The 2016 election could boil down to how much of a rift their is amongst the GOP throughout this upcoming term.... Can the party agree on anything or will they bicker amongst themselves as Ted Cruz has already show distaste for Mcconnell...
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I agree that the Republicans are still in circular firing squad mode. They seek nationally unifying ideas and candidates, but so far haven't found them.

But traditionally Americans favor divided government. The last thing Americans want is more war and debt, which is surely what Republicans will deliver if they should control both houses of congress plus the presidency, especially if the neocons reassume control, which is a real possibility.

For '16, look for Americans to maintain the trend of divided government. Sometimes gridlock is preferable to ruinous action.
 
Swagger897
how so?
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What the hell do you mean? Obama has maintained every bit of Bush's war policies, while expanding the list to include Syria, Libya, and now Iraq again to battle ISIS. The number of innocent lives lost during Obama's time in office is ever increasing but in a worse way because it's often committed by drones which society doesn't feel as bad about. The administration is using drones as a scapegoat to get away with crap that people from all countries involved wouldn't tolerate of boots on the ground.
 
Dotini
The last thing Americans want is more war and debt, which is surely what Republicans will deliver if they should control both houses of congress plus the presidency, especially if the neocons reassume control, which is a real possibility.

For '16, look for Americans to maintain the trend of divided government. Sometimes gridlock is preferable to ruinous action.
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Yes, our government was designed to operate with a degree of gridlock for that reason exactly.

Anyway, I don't believe we would get as much war and debt with Rand, even with a Republican-controlled Congress. He's far more sensible. He's so sensible that the Republican party electing him is a longshot. He doesn't follow the party line close enough. But we'll see. Hopefully the other guys manage to shoot themselves in the foot which is likely.
 
Keef
What the hell do you mean? Obama has maintained every bit of Bush's war policies,
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So carrying out Bush's war policy detailed to Iraq and Afghanistan to decommission the troops makes him a war-monger? Wow..... If that's how you think, then okay..

Keef
while expanding the list to include Syria, Libya, and now Iraq again to battle ISIS.
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So you want to keep seeing journalist get beheaded then? Okay.... If that's how you think, then okay..

Keef
The number of innocent lives lost during Obama's time in office is ever increasing but in a worse way because it's often committed by drones which society doesn't feel as bad about.
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While I think relating facts of fatalities to the president, which I believe has no correlation at all and is completely immoral (the president doesn't shoot the gun), Bush still has well over 2500 more fatalities under his belt compared to Obama. This is such a ridiculous topic to compare fatality statistics to presidents though, as it is immoral in every right, and does as much justice as comparing cats falling behind a couch...

Keef
The administration is using drones as a scapegoat to get away with crap that people from all countries involved wouldn't tolerate of boots on the ground.
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Wow, the hypocrisy in this is above 9000...

People will bitch about the President using drones because it is an unfair tactic.
People will bitch about the President using boots on the ground because people will die.
People will bitch about the President using no tactic because the ratings are going down.
People will bitch about the President giving the job to his cabinet members because he isn't doing his job...


People will bitch about any and everything they aren't doing because they think they know the answer to any and everything. The main problem is who people elect. Not because of what they see on TV adverts, or Google opinions which are totally ridiculous, but they don't see the big picture. Georgia just elected a business man into congress, ex CEO of Reebok, Dollar General, and maybe another one I can't remember the name to. But keep electing business men America, and then we'll see where we are in 2020...
 
Swagger897
People will bitch about any and everything...
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People will also defend any and everything they feel was a good idea despite there being absolutely no evidence to support their claim. Don't go attempting to defend Obama because he's black or because he's a Democrat which are effectively the only two differences between he and GWB.

I take that back, there is a third difference. Obama used to be a constitutional law professor which means he knows precisely all the constitutional violations he supports whereas Bush might have simply been dumb and had no idea.
 
Keef
People will also defend any and everything they feel was a good idea despite there being absolutely no evidence to support their claim. Don't go attempting to defend Obama because he's black or because he's a Democrat which are effectively the only two differences between he and GWB.

I take that back, there is a third difference. Obama used to be a constitutional law professor which means he knows precisely all the constitutional violations he supports whereas Bush might have simply been dumb and had no idea.
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Wow... a bit of some racial profiling I see here...

anyways, here are some things I think you would like to look at:
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/11/c...as-lost-more-us-troops-than-bush-thats-crazy/
and here is an even better one, as it has all the links I read in the footnotes..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

And here is another problem with people, they don't want to look for the facts themselves. Do some research of your own will you..
 
I've been studying political ethics and libertarianism as a hobby for the last 5 years or so. I'm not interested in numbers, I'm interested in ideas. In the grand scheme of political philosophy, numbers are nothing but **** thrown back and forth by the usual monkeys.
 
So people are to support their claims by monkeys throwing poo at which piece of paper they like then?
People will also defend any and everything they feel was a good idea despite there being absolutely no evidence to support their claim.
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No matter who has what numbers, the fact is that GWB and Obama are both morally flawed in a serious way. The numbers don't matter. You shouldn't be offended when somebody calls Obama a war-monger, you should have been offended a long time ago when he made promises during his campaign that he couldn't keep. That he actually reversed in many cases. Numbers don't have anything to do with ethics.
 

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