Hillary Clinton our next president?

Sadly, what you are incapable of realising, is that the reason you can get away with spending only $38Billion on defence is because Americans spend $670Billion. You aren't being attacked because you are doing such a great job in defending your country and because $38Billion buys you such a great military, but because everybody knows if you are attacked, the Americans will bail you out. Canada is in the same boat and we're damn glad we are.

While the sentiment is definitely true, I think we could remove $100 billion or 2 without compromising our security. Part of what makes that number so big is the presence that we have in so many countries all over the world - and I think that doesn't do us as much good as we'd like.
 
While the sentiment is definitely true, I think we could remove $100 billion or 2 without compromising our security. Part of what makes that number so big is the presence that we have in so many countries all over the world - and I think that doesn't do us as much good as we'd like.
Quite true, like anything else with the government involved, there is massive waste and cronyism, empire building in the various departments etc. Probably at least 25% could be cut with little loss in defense capability. But the world needs America to be big and strong, none of the Western countries outside the U.S. can afford to carry the burden. A world without the U.S. military is a world in chaos.
 
@Johnnypenso

I'd say that extends to more than just military might too. Many people don't seem to realize how much medical technology is developed in the US first for profit and then "nationalized" by other nations.
 
But the world needs America to be big and strong, none of the Western countries outside the U.S. can afford to carry the burden. A world without the U.S. military is a world in chaos.
I think this sort of assumption is exactly what perpetuates the problem. Countries around the world rely on the US for everything - why the hell can't they do it themselves? I don't think anybody denies the fact that various things the US does are vital to political and economic stability around the world. But I don't think people around the world realize that it's a terrible attitude to have, lest they want the mighty US to take control over their own incompetent nation. That's what it sounds like a lot of times. The US was founded by people who were not only passionate enough about working hard to become successful to risk their lives coming here but to fight a war to ensure they wouldn't lose that freedom. Getting **** done is in our DNA, and frankly I don't see that attitude from governments nor people in Europe these days. I think they want the US to make their decisions for them. I think that attitude shows at every level from the individuals all the way up to government policy. And I think it needs to stop. The only people who can make it stop is the US, by cutting ties and forcing others to fend for themselves. We need to ensure our survival before we can worry about anybody else.
 
I don't see how anyone could possibly think she would make a good president. She has shown she is incompetent in light of Benghazi.
 
I think this sort of assumption is exactly what perpetuates the problem. Countries around the world rely on the US for everything - why the hell can't they do it themselves? I don't think anybody denies the fact that various things the US does are vital to political and economic stability around the world. But I don't think people around the world realize that it's a terrible attitude to have, lest they want the mighty US to take control over their own incompetent nation. That's what it sounds like a lot of times. The US was founded by people who were not only passionate enough about working hard to become successful to risk their lives coming here but to fight a war to ensure they wouldn't lose that freedom. Getting **** done is in our DNA, and frankly I don't see that attitude from governments nor people in Europe these days. I think they want the US to make their decisions for them. I think that attitude shows at every level from the individuals all the way up to government policy. And I think it needs to stop. The only people who can make it stop is the US, by cutting ties and forcing others to fend for themselves. We need to ensure our survival before we can worry about anybody else.

It's a good thing that all of the things that happen around the world don't affect the United States. Imagine if we had to import a significant portion of out manufactured goods from other countries?

Luckily, this United States bubble protects us Americans while the rest of the world exists and best-thrives in an international marketplace that is affected by instability in parts of the world outside of their respective borders. It's pretty obvious that this allows us to be isolationists and ignore the problems of humans who were born on different dirt. The only shame is that American leaders have always been too oblivious to this clear and apparent truth to do anything about it.
 
I think this sort of assumption is exactly what perpetuates the problem. Countries around the world rely on the US for everything - why the hell can't they do it themselves? I don't think anybody denies the fact that various things the US does are vital to political and economic stability around the world. But I don't think people around the world realize that it's a terrible attitude to have, lest they want the mighty US to take control over their own incompetent nation. That's what it sounds like a lot of times. The US was founded by people who were not only passionate enough about working hard to become successful to risk their lives coming here but to fight a war to ensure they wouldn't lose that freedom. Getting **** done is in our DNA, and frankly I don't see that attitude from governments nor people in Europe these days. I think they want the US to make their decisions for them. I think that attitude shows at every level from the individuals all the way up to government policy. And I think it needs to stop. The only people who can make it stop is the US, by cutting ties and forcing others to fend for themselves. We need to ensure our survival before we can worry about anybody else.

I live in germany and I can only agree with you. Also, that "US Hate" here really bugs me... Many people are quick to point out the US as the root of all the evil in this world etc, but when confronted things like this ... They somehow aren`t able to give them any credit at all. (Not to mention all those borderline racist stereotypes, like every american being fat/dumb/etc...).
 
That makes sense until you remember the hearings. Being evasive & defensive, refusing to provide any relevant information, etc. I still think a lot more went on there than was said. Same with the 2012 election - fishy-smelling numbers and fishy-smelling excuses everywhere.
 
That makes sense until you remember the hearings. Being evasive & defensive, refusing to provide any relevant information, etc. I still think a lot more went on there than was said. Same with the 2012 election - fishy-smelling numbers and fishy-smelling excuses everywhere.

Good point. I forgot that trying to cover your own ass after a screw up is what defines evil. That's why hell is mostly populated with those who had been mischievous as children.
 
I WOULD VOTE A ROCK BEFORE I VOTE A CLINTON. BENGHAZI ANY ONE?
You just made my screen go deaf. Any chance you could locate your caps lock key and make sure the light isn't on next time?
 
Good point. I forgot that trying to cover your own ass after a screw up is what defines evil. That's why hell is mostly populated with those who had been mischievous as children.

I'm not sure it was entirely a screw-up. Like I said, I think something's very off about what's been told so far. Some of what happened could have been stupidity, but some of it looks more like intentional mishandling (gentlemen, start your tinfoil hats)
 
While I hate for it to happen, I wouldn't be surprised if she won in 2016. Obama probably taught her the 3-step Chicago-style way to get ahead in politics:

1. 🤬 up.
2. Cover up.
3. Move up!
 
Good point. I forgot that trying to cover your own ass after a screw up is what defines evil. That's why hell is mostly populated with those who had been mischievous as children.

So it's okay to defend yourself, when you've royally 🤬 up and cost lives, lie to families trying to understand why when the evidence is mounting and borderline lying to congress. Yes that is all good and well, sign of any typical politician mold. Also the Hell analogy is asinine.

Also when you pull it to the point of what many American's start to believe is a cover-up, then you really have problems. If anyone knows their history the mid 90s and Hillary Clinton are a good place to start.
 
So it's okay to defend yourself, when you've royally 🤬 up and cost lives, lie to families trying to understand why when the evidence is mounting and borderline lying to congress. Yes that is all good and well, sign of any typical politician mold. Also the Hell analogy is asinine.

So is calling someone evil. Honestly, to me it sounds like you just described "insert-any-politician." If you want to call all politicians evil, I'll agree with you.

Also when you pull it to the point of what many American's start to believe is a cover-up, then you really have problems. If anyone knows their history the mid 90s and Hillary Clinton are a good place to start.

I know why you think she's evil. You have great points and I won't try to refute them (I can't stand the Clintons). But I just disliked the "evil" word being used. She can be a disgusting politician who's handling the Benghazi situation terribly, but I don't think it makes her "evil" perse. Evil, to me, is arranging the whole Banghazi situation from the start with the intention of killing people by way of orchestrating a greater scheme. This mess is her "merely" trying to cover up her own failures in the interest of her own personal gain.

TL;DR: I'm not trying to defend anything she's doing or anything she's done. I just don't think that the wrongs she has committed define her as evil. However, is she someone I dislike strongly? Absolutely.
 
So is calling someone evil. Honestly, to me it sounds like you just described "insert-any-politician." If you want to call all politicians evil, I'll agree with you.



I know why you think she's evil. You have great points and I won't try to refute them (I can't stand the Clintons). But I just disliked the "evil" word being used. She can be a disgusting politician who's handling the Benghazi situation terribly, but I don't think it makes her "evil" perse. Evil, to me, is arranging the whole Banghazi situation from the start with the intention of killing people by way of orchestrating a greater scheme. This mess is her "merely" trying to cover up her own failures in the interest of her own personal gain.

TL;DR: I'm not trying to defend anything she's doing or anything she's done. I just don't think that the wrongs she has committed define her as evil. However, is she someone I dislike strongly? Absolutely.


So how can anybody think she would make a good President unless they're totally braindead?
 
So is calling someone evil. Honestly, to me it sounds like you just described "insert-any-politician." If you want to call all politicians evil, I'll agree with you.

I do want to call them all evil, but then again I'm not one for that "good vs evil" bs rhetoric, I think a better word would be incompetent so I agree with you

I know why you think she's evil. You have great points and I won't try to refute them (I can't stand the Clintons). But I
just disliked the "evil" word being used. She can be a disgusting politician who's handling the Benghazi situation terribly, but I don't think it makes her "evil" perse. Evil, to me, is arranging the whole Banghazi situation from the start with the intention of killing people by way of orchestrating a greater scheme. This mess is her "merely" trying to cover up her own failures in the interest of her own personal gain.

I'd agree, my main issues is that it's quite deplorable when someone feels the need to cover their own ass, over the truth and verification to families. This was a big issue with me when the whole Pat Tillman thing hit the fan, foreign diplomacy gone wrong is a touch subject with me in general. I think people like her and others (e.g. Bush/Cheney) should face blame and not ever be given a chance at public office like she will have and is trying to obviously lessen severity of Benghazi do to it.

She only cares about power like all politicians and is looking at how this will affect 2016 not family members gaining closure. However, this isn't a perfect world so I'm not surprised and thus a cynic at the end of the day.
 
....... I still don't understand how anyone votes Democrat unless they're a total idiot.
Boy, someone is a total idiot if they don't agree with you. Ever heard of people having different opinions?
 
Glad to know in an opinion section you can't recognize other people's views and you immediately resort to name calling. Its amazing how that will make people ever want to talk to you.
 
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