Hillary Clinton our next president?
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BobK
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Before saying Hillary is a shoe-in, remember that we have three years before the election. There was a president in recent memory who had stratospheric approval levels just a year and a half before the election, and got defeated although he likely would have won except for a circumstance alluded to above.
I felt back in 2008 that she would have been more of a disaster than Obama would be. That opinion hasn't really changed, either. So if you think Obama is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.
I felt back in 2008 that she would have been more of a disaster than Obama would be. That opinion hasn't really changed, either. So if you think Obama is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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Way I look at it, she is the one to beat. If you want to become the next President, I think she's the one you'd have to go through. Just being female & having the very popular last name, those things that shouldn't make or break candidacy I think will play a pretty big role due to media hype. I think it can be that shallow.
I'd also love to see someone like Rand Paul win, but I honestly don't know how much good that will do. I expect the left do to him what the right is doing to Obama now. Once someone is elected President, maybe not shocked if a lot got done or anything, but I wouldn't expect it. I don't think the divide is just in the Congress, but I sense it from the whole country. Second Amendment, same sex marriage, larger government vs. smaller government, I think this nation is torn. That's just my impression. It looks to me like it's growing apart.
I'd also love to see someone like Rand Paul win, but I honestly don't know how much good that will do. I expect the left do to him what the right is doing to Obama now. Once someone is elected President, maybe not shocked if a lot got done or anything, but I wouldn't expect it. I don't think the divide is just in the Congress, but I sense it from the whole country. Second Amendment, same sex marriage, larger government vs. smaller government, I think this nation is torn. That's just my impression. It looks to me like it's growing apart.
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As someone who started sobbing and crying when the numbers started to lean in Obama's favor on Election Day, I feel qualified to start panicing over this possibility even though the next presidential election is over three years away.
This is why. She'll double down on everything Obama's done wrong, and probably introduce some new evil as well. The U.S. is finished if we get her in 2016.
Thinking that the U.S. is somehow guaranteed perpetual existence no matter what is a good way to doom the entire country. Every election mattters, now more than ever. We can't let another liberal take office.
This is why. She'll double down on everything Obama's done wrong, and probably introduce some new evil as well. The U.S. is finished if we get her in 2016.
Thinking that the U.S. is somehow guaranteed perpetual existence no matter what is a good way to doom the entire country. Every election mattters, now more than ever. We can't let another liberal take office.
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- HamiltonMP427
I hope not, but I've seen a few people enthusiastic about her potential bid
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What is this "new evil"? Federal recognition for gay marriage? Recognising "pray the gay away" camps as child abuse?
As for a "Clinton 2016" campaign, I can't make an informed opinion on the subject yet. I don't think she's a shoe-in due to whatever happened in Benghazi.
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Canada has never looked better.
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- GTP_Sam48
I'll do what I did in 2012 and just vote libertarian. I just can't stand this current congress. Hell, the term republican and democrat mean nothing anymore. You're either walking through that revolving door to wall street, or you stand for the people. I can't say there are many who stand for the people anymore.
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- Johnnypenso
We've got much the same issues as you, we just don't shout about it as much. We've got our own Obama on the horizon, Justin Trudeau, leader of the Liberal Party. Only thing he's done with his life is work as a part time teacher and inherit his Daddy's name and money. You can already here it in the rhetoric, he's pandering to everyone and anyone that he thinks might vote for him. If this clown gets elected with a majority he'll make Obama look like a flippin' political genius and fiscal tightwad.
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Oh dear. I've heard a lot about him recently through my girlfriend. The good news? He's getting a lot of younger voters interested in politics, particularly females. The bad news? Because he's good looking. I wouldn't bet against him for that reason alone - and it's really a sad and terrible scenario. Then again, we've got a crack-smoking mayor currently, so there's plenty of problems to deal with
.As for the topic at hand; I can't comment honestly, as I haven't kept too up to date on anything south of the border since the last election. I don't think Benghazi is given the same sort of coverage up here as this thread would have me to believe it deserves.
McLaren
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I'd like to think this but sadly people are dictated by the media. And the media is churning the mill with some candidates on the right that I don't like. People think all members with an R by their name are stupid and that people with a D are in the best interest of America. I'd implore them to perhaps watch Frontline or 60 minutes and see both idiot parties get torn down.
I still have yet to find a woman or a hipster male tell me why the wife of a sax playing cheat is our greater hope, especially when they can't remember the crap she failed at in the 90s and Benghazi today.
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Federal recongnition for gay marriage already happened, and that was the supreme court, though I can't say Obama was particularly opposed to the decision.
I really don't know what extra Hillary would or could do, and honestly I'm not sure I want to. Hillary is everything Obama is, only smarter and cleverer. Whatever that leads to, it probably won't be a good thing. More NSA spying? Full-on single-payer health care? Even more draconian fuel economy & emissions laws that ruin the few remaining good cars on the market? Whatever happens, the political situation in this country will probably get a lot worse, and sure won't get very much better, with Hillary in the Oval Office.
I've been thinking about the last two elections, and I really think they're a couple of the saddest spectacles ever. In each one, we see an honest, pro-small-government, pro-fiscal-sanity Republican (Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan) playing second fiddle to a machine-politics Republican-in-name-only (John McCain and Mitt Rommey) who pays lip service to the true right while pursuing shadowy liberalish agendas.
Yes, I know Sarah Palin was inexperienced on foreign policy, but she definitely wasn't as stupid as the media made her out to be, and I'd bet any money she'd make a better diplomat than Biden, should she be required to act as one. Not to mention, McCain would have made a pretty scary head of state himself - he supported SOPA after all.
So the last few elections have been a choice between evil and eviler. Watch the next one be the same way - say, Romeny/Cruz.
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The US is screwed regardless.
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I'm confused why people are automatically associating name recognition with popularity. Yeah, everyone knows who she is, but I also remember when she was in the 2008 primaries that there were many news reports of lifelong Democrats (and, more hilariously, Obama supporters) threatened to vote Republican rather than vote for her if she ended up being the name on the ticket.
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Only if he does every press conference in his costume.
As well as having The Undertaker(his "brother") be his runningmate.
I'd imagine since it was going on prior to Obama, I don't see why it would stop after no matter who gets the office.
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I know Ron Paul would cut the whole thing on his first day, but he isn't running again. Ted Cruz probably wouldn't stand for it either, but he's been demonized enough that no one would vote for him.
He'll probably show up as a running mate for Romney or another RINO next time around, thus continuing the pattern from '08 and '12.
EDIT: Upon further consideration, I definitely think Romney, Boehner, and the rest of them would like to have Cruz as a running mate, to cast a fiscally- and socially-conservative red, white, and blue glow over their campaign, but I think he's probably too smart and too principled to let himself be used like that.
He'll probably show up as a running mate for Romney or another RINO next time around, thus continuing the pattern from '08 and '12.
EDIT: Upon further consideration, I definitely think Romney, Boehner, and the rest of them would like to have Cruz as a running mate, to cast a fiscally- and socially-conservative red, white, and blue glow over their campaign, but I think he's probably too smart and too principled to let himself be used like that.
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- HamiltonMP427
Aren't you forgetting Christie?
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- Johnnypenso
You hit the nail on the head. The average voter is sorely lacking in the real issues and a basic understanding of economics, foreign policy, fiscal responsibility etc. Like most of my friends, they get their information from 30 second sound bytes they hear while making dinner or texting on their phone.
A small example of media bias is this little gem from CNN.com. Obama lies outright to the public for years with "if you like your plan you can keep your plan, PERIOD" After the crap hits the fan for days CNN comes out with an article entitled "6 Things Presidents wish they hadn't said" http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/02/politics/obama-read-my-lips-moment/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
The body of the story talks about Obama's mishap, then Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, and oh yeah, Clinton getting caught with his pants down, literally. Then Reagan, Carter and Ford. It's as if they are saying to their liberal base, "Oh don't worry about Obama's lie, the Bush's did it many times as do all Presidents, nothing to see here, move along, haha, funny joke"
When it's Hilary's turn it'll be, "Benghazi? That was what, 5 years ago, it's history, Republicans are blowing it out of proportion, we had hearings on it and nothing was done wrong...etc. etc. etc." With media support like that, there's less and less chance of a true conservative ever getting elected again in the U.S.
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Unfortunately true.
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Yeah CNN is one of those that I always question because you can see them increasingly leaning to the left even though they claim to be neutral. I see them doing it more so because young people go toward the left, to get away from the image of their parents or them thinking republicans are for the old types. Young people follow stupid trends because they can't be bothered to educate themselves.
I love how CNN, always announces a big story around the Obama admin that is damning but then they follow up by saying "The President wasn't aware this was happening, so who is to be blamed for not telling the Obama admin?" They say this as if the Obama admin is to be fully believed without question of "how do you guys not know?"
