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Its not that bad, you're just going to have to learn to throw your rpms up an extra grand or so during some of your shifts. Take offs aren't that bad either, you just have to find the sweet spot of its on/off feel and you'll be taking off like normal again.
 
Keef, your gonna love that flywheel after you do a couple of runs along a twisty road. Also, heel toe downshifts will be easier since you don't have to press the gas as long.
 
I have a habit of rev-matching almost every time I slow for a stoplight and whatnot, and I've noticed that I over rev the thing a little now. Also, I can shift absolutely seamlessly now, which is suprising. It takes a bit of concentration, but I'll master it within a week probably. And I haven't noticed any problem with launching the car, either. The engine feels more eager to go at any rpm, and I don't really have to rev it higher to go.

But man, the Honda Rev is difficult now. You guys know the one.

Anyway, the story of the install. You have to remove the intake to reach the bolts on the top of the tranny. Underneath, you have to pull the halfshaft out of the transmission, and on the driver's side we just unbolted the intermediate shaft. Removing the tranny is pretty darn easy, since it only weighs but 70 pounds or so. You have to back it off of the splines by wiggling it, then turn it counter-clockwise about 30 degrees to clear a bracket, pull it all the way off, then just set it on the ground. Unbolting the old diaphragm and flywheel is as simple as a few screws. Bolting the new stuff on is a similar piece of cake. The hardest part is lifting the tranny and holding it in the right spot (the tranny jack just held the weight, but we had to position it by hand) and lining up all the bolts. But then we had a problem.

Everything was installed. We started up the car on the lift and heard an awful rattling, shaking sound. It went away during idle, but when the engine began to rev or started to drop revs the sound happened again. We ran through a few gears slowly--it all worked--but the sound still happened when the engine "changed direction". We spent nearly 2 hours with the help of another tech diagnosing the problem. It wasn't the slave cylinder or it's fork. It wasn't the throwout bearing. We figured it might be, so we removed the slave cylinder to look at the bearing, but all was well. The only other inspection plates on the housing are the starter and underneath at the flywheel. Instead of leaning to the back of the engine we decided to go underneath to the flywheel. We thought one of its dowels may have pushed through and been hitting something.

This sound could have been a bottom end rod knock. It was loud. One word kept running through our minds, and that was backlash. But what? We turned the crank with a breaker bar and watched as the flywheel was delayed. When we changed direction it knocked. We moved it with our fingers and it was loose, clanging back and forth. The bolts were torqued during install. Key word "were". There's a large counterbore on the rear of the wheel that presses onto the crankshaft, and that wasn't fitted over the crank properly. The bolts were torqued, but the wheel was in a bind. When we jolted it by starting the motor, the wheel was banged out of the bind and went onto the crank as it should've been. But now all out bolts that were tight were now loose, and quite loose.

We disassembled everything once more and reinstalled once more, taking another 3 hours, which was better than the 4 the first time. There was no damage to anything, and now it's all in perfect working order. We left the dealership right at 10 pm.

And now I know how it put a clutch in my car and what possible problems to look for. W00t!

New flywheel and clutch assembly:
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Old flywheel and clutch disc:
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Scratches, scrapes, chunks and cracks!?!?! How the hell did it work!?!?

And for your entertainment, my exhaust:
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And all the VTEC smoke that doesn't make it to the cars behind me:
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Wow, when you said you had a hole in your exhaust, you weren't kidding. :scared:

Your old clutch was starting to get pretty bad though, you didn't notice any major slipping under high revs?
 
No, it never slipped under power. Even at full throttle in 5th at 100 mph it never slipped. Seriously, the clutch takeup was within the last 1.5 inches of pedal travel. And yet it still managed one of those the-boss-made-me-leave-work-in-a-rage burnouts.

I'm not at all proud of that decision, and thinking of it makes me cringe. But at least I know it spins both wheels.
 
No, it never slipped under power. Even at full throttle in 5th at 100 mph it never slipped. Seriously, the clutch takeup was within the last 1.5 inches of pedal travel. And yet it still managed one of those the-boss-made-me-leave-work-in-a-rage burnouts.

I'm not at all proud of that decision, and thinking of it makes me cringe. But at least I know it spins both wheels.
Mine catches in like the last 0.5-1.0 inches.
 
You need a new clutch. Mine could have easily gone 10,000 more miles, but it would have been ridiculous trying to make it go. It's really not a very difficult job at all. It calls for 4.5 hours at the dealership, but D and I did it in 4 our first shot, and about 3 the second time.

BTW, our transmissions take engine oil! I think it was 5W-40 or something like that.
 
You need a new clutch.
Yep, I know, but I'm trying to use as little money as possibly on this crappy d16.
Mine could have easily gone 10,000 more miles, but it would have been ridiculous trying to make it go. It's really not a very difficult job at all. It calls for 4.5 hours at the dealership, but D and I did it in 4 our first shot, and about 3 the second time.
Yes, it isn't very difficult. A clutch and flywheel was the first big thing I've ever done on a car, and we didn't have any real problems.

BTW, our transmissions take engine oil! I think it was 5W-40 or something like that.
Yep, I'm currently running Mobil 1 full synthetic. 10w-30 I think.
 
BTW, our transmissions take engine oil! I think it was 5W-40 or something like that.

Yep, I'm currently running Mobil 1 full synthetic. 10w-30 I think.

You sure about that? I mean, I've seen it done, and it works out okay. But, synchro's don't last long in straight motor oil, as the oil doesn't work well in the bearings.

You guys may want to try something that's actually designed for the transmission:
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You sure about that? I mean, I've seen it done, and it works out okay. But, synchro's don't last long in straight motor oil, as the oil doesn't work well in the bearings.

You guys may want to try something that's actually designed for the transmission:
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The manual calls for either Honda MTF or 10w-30 motor oil. I think the Honda MTF would be better, but I trust the manual enough.

The owners manual says to use engine oil I believe but I do not remember what weight.
Mine says 10w-30.

EDIT: Although if I ever need a new clutch, I'm definitely going ahead and changing to Honda MTF while I'm at it.
 
Yeah, I think it was 10W-30. My car doesn't have a manual so we checked All-Data (like a dealer network info thing) and it recommended the Honda stuff or engine oil. A whole 3 quarts fits in mine.
 
Yeah, I think it was 10W-30. My car doesn't have a manual so we checked All-Data (like a dealer network info thing) and it recommended the Honda stuff or engine oil. A whole 3 quarts fits in mine.
Are you sure? That's a lot of oil. Mine takes 1.8 quarts.

EDIT: They do make a hanes manual for your car.
 
When i changed my timing belt i took it for a test run and thought the new belt slipped off or snapped, i got half way down the street and there was 10 or so loud bangs in rapid succession before i locked the brakes and shut the engine at around 30mph. Pushed the car home to find that i had put a washer on the wrong side of the power steering pulley, and it worked itself loose. Here i was thinking that my car was bout to spit valves out of its backside.. Nothing worse then pushing your car thinking that its dead. :( All good now though!
 
That black roof looks fantastic. What a great idea. It almost looks like it's a glass roof.
 
@Sp33 - Haha! I love the stories from your garage mechanic adventures. They always start with "I was doing this...", then you describe some sound it made were you thought it was about to blow up and finally finish with "but it was just *something simple* and its all better now!". :lol:

@showoff3civic - I have to admit, thats pretty hot. Post up somemore pics ASAP! 👍
 
Well, bad news. It looks like I am going to have to give the Prelude back tomorrow. I just can't afford the payments along with the repairs its going to cost me. After putting the front brakes on Sunday I saw just how much was neglected and in need of serious repair. The brake master cynlinder is cracked and leaking, the rear main seal is leaking, both transaxles need to be replaced asap, and on top of everything else it won't pass emissions. I just don't have the time or money for it right now. Thanks for the help guys but its the end of the Honda road for me.
 
Well why didn't you tell us all that stuff was wrong with it? Jeez, that car juts gave Hondas a bad name.

At least the engine still works good.
 
I didn't KNOW those things were wrong with it when I bought it. And remember, this car was totalled in 1998, and it has a salvage title. I didn't find that out until a couple of weeks ago. I think this is a bad omen if I keep it.
 
Maybe the catalytic converter is busted. Of course, they don't test during VTEC, so I don't know. God, if they tested during VTEC the EPA would shut Honda down!
 
Awesome! Nice choice of locations too, especially the last shot in the forest. I kinda wish we had something like that around here, or like any of the places you snap the shots at. 👍
 
Too bad, maybe one day you will return :)

Probably not if it won't pass emissions, or atleast not running at what it should be.

Maybe the catalytic converter is busted. Of course, they don't test during VTEC, so I don't know. God, if they tested during VTEC the EPA would shut Honda down!

The guy is letting me keep it. He kind of doesn't want the car back--so he's willing to give me some breathing room. Which is good and bad...the bad is there is SO much to replace that it isn't even funny. The good is I get to continue to prevent massive mileage on my Camaro.

The CEL is mainly because of the oxygen sensors and what-not. I STILL need to get Honda to do that recall...

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I like the skid-marks trying to be hidden under leaves in that pic. :sly:👍
 
Yeah, so I swapped out my shifter bushings for energy suspension bushings.


And um.....they didn't do anything. I got every bushing except the one that was worn, so they feel a little stiffer now, but I still have the 2 1/2 inch wobble from side to side.

I wish I had known before, but I couldn't pinpoint what was actually worn until I got under there today and started taking stuff apart.

Oh well, it was only 15 bucks.
 

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