Honda to quit F1? - Now with added Brawn GP
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There's a whole host more over at the team's official website, including quite a few where you can see the side detail. It doesn't look too bad; all nice flowing curves, so it's defiantely winning a few points in the beauty stakes. At least with me.
Also, as suspectd, Shuei Nakamoto is not the team's designer; Jorg Zander will be filing those duties. He previously worked with Toyota, before moving to BAR and onto Williams and developed BMW's 2006 challenger as lead designer. So he's not inexperienced, which is good; Brawn's obviously taking this very seriously (but then, would he be the one to have purchased the team if he wasn't?).
Still no word on what Nick Fry will be doing.
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Any thoughts on the current livery? I think it looks pretty original at least, it could do with a bit more colour though, not too much, just the odd stripe or something on the airbox or sidepods. Its a little too plain at the moment.
Although, perhaps when we see some sponsors it might look better.
Although, perhaps when we see some sponsors it might look better.
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If anything, it kind of reminds me of the Super Aguri livery from last year, probaly because this is white, black and yellow when theirs was white, black and red. Like I said before, Wikipedia has an external link to a Portugese news source that says Brawn GP will be running a blue-based race livery in keeping with their major sponsor, allegedly someone who has never before been involved with Formula One.
That's kind of at odds with the unwritten rule of liveries. Most teams will not run more than three primary colours (primary as in major colours, not yellow, red and blue), because when you get to four or more, it's all over the shop as Renault proved with their original ING livery of yellow, white, oragne and dark blue.
That said, I like what Brawn have done here, and I think they may even be able to get away with having four colours. The black and yellow sections of the car are areas that are very rarely given over to sponsorship decals, probably because they're too unwieldy to work around. This way, they've got markings that identify the cars as being Brawn Grand Prix, but still have room left over for sponsors. It really reminds me of the good old days before advertising when cars used to run their national colours. Oddly enough, yellow and black are the national racing colours of Cuba.
That's kind of at odds with the unwritten rule of liveries. Most teams will not run more than three primary colours (primary as in major colours, not yellow, red and blue), because when you get to four or more, it's all over the shop as Renault proved with their original ING livery of yellow, white, oragne and dark blue.
That said, I like what Brawn have done here, and I think they may even be able to get away with having four colours. The black and yellow sections of the car are areas that are very rarely given over to sponsorship decals, probably because they're too unwieldy to work around. This way, they've got markings that identify the cars as being Brawn Grand Prix, but still have room left over for sponsors. It really reminds me of the good old days before advertising when cars used to run their national colours. Oddly enough, yellow and black are the national racing colours of Cuba.
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Blue and yellow? Seems this livery will be a classic Tyrrell tribute 
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Interesting read about the deal:
http://www.sportsprodailydeal.com/d...eeds&utm_campaign=Latest+Deals&utm_medium=rss
There are already pictures of the team setting up for tomorrow's testing session, so we will finally have some comparison times and see what it can do (obviously bearing in mind they might not show their true pace immediately).
http://www.sportsprodailydeal.com/d...eeds&utm_campaign=Latest+Deals&utm_medium=rss
There are already pictures of the team setting up for tomorrow's testing session, so we will finally have some comparison times and see what it can do (obviously bearing in mind they might not show their true pace immediately).
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Certainly interesting, but they're not factoring in a) the money Brawn will get from a sponsorship deal and b) the fact that smaller teams like Toro Rosso have made do on less than one hundred million a year for a while now.
Although as Honda had the worst points-per-budget-dollar ratio lat year, you have to wonder where all the money was going.
Although as Honda had the worst points-per-budget-dollar ratio lat year, you have to wonder where all the money was going.
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I hope you're aware that Toro Rosso "made do" without having to design a car? View the RBR budget to realize what went into the design of the car - Toro Rosso are a customer team - they get a car, they run it, they're done... And they're the only successful ex-backmarker team. Force Midholland ran small budgets, and earned exactly one point in three years. Aguri were semi-customers, and weren't that fast once funding for further developments ceased, and the RA06's pace wasn't enough anymore. Brawn GP also stated that they won't get money from the sponsor in the first year.
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Button was constantly the quickest runner for most of the day. Ended up 4th fastest overall.
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It was fantastic to see Jense run times on par with his ability. A true journeyman of F1, he's has some up's and a bit of bad luck but in the end he is still showing that his talent level has not diminshed in the least. These last 2 years with the joke of a car the Honda team had prepared is now a thing of the past. not only is he a humble guy he has taken a pay cut for the team's sake, that says alot of ol' Jense. Alonso will always be my favorite but Jenson Button is class.
The former Honda team have been developing their car since early last year and hopefully the end prodcut will be something worthy of all the hard work they've put into it. I see a few podiums in the cards for this team
The former Honda team have been developing their car since early last year and hopefully the end prodcut will be something worthy of all the hard work they've put into it. I see a few podiums in the cards for this team
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I think that's Brawn's biggest drawcard: they knew the RA108 was trouble, and so they didn't throw good money after bad in developing it. Instead, they went in for making the 2009 car, and if they can keep their Barcelona performance up, it could be the one thin that saved them. If they hadn't done it, they'd run the risk of becoming another Super Aguri.The former Honda team have been developing their car since early last year and hopefully the end prodcut will be something worthy of all the hard work they've put into it. I see a few podiums in the cards for this team
It's ironic that while they've really put themselves in a great position, they're still behind everyone in the respect that this is where they should have been two years ago. At the end of 2006, Honda had racked up its first win and had been strong enough in previous seasons for Button to finsih third overall in the diver's standings. If anything, they should have been the hottest ticket on the grid for anyone wanting to sponsor a Formula One team starting in 2007, yet they failed to secure a sponsor. While Earth Dreams certainly looked good, that decision was akin to a terminal diagnosis; the lack of funding coupled with a moron in the designer's chair was a cancer that killed them off two years later.
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It was the early decision to develop the 08 car that made me pick Honda and BMW as the teams most likely to challenge at the front of the grid this season.
The question I have about Brawn is one that no one outside of the team could answer.
Once Honda decided to withdraw from F1, did development of the car stop, slow down or continue as planned? Button's performance yesterday suggests the latter but we won't know that until the team does longer runs than 5 laps at a time.
This link gives constant updates from the Barcelona test session. It's in Spanish but it is easily to follow.
http://www.motor21.com/noticia.asp?dt=315&nt=61287
The question I have about Brawn is one that no one outside of the team could answer.
Once Honda decided to withdraw from F1, did development of the car stop, slow down or continue as planned? Button's performance yesterday suggests the latter but we won't know that until the team does longer runs than 5 laps at a time.
This link gives constant updates from the Barcelona test session. It's in Spanish but it is easily to follow.
http://www.motor21.com/noticia.asp?dt=315&nt=61287
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They stated during the search that they've got funding until mid-March, and that development on the rigs will continue at full steam - and indeed, it looks as advanced as any of the other cars, with a front wing only slightly simpler than the RBR/STR twins.
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Sorry if this has been talked about before, but did Mercedes provide a KERS? If not has the 'Honda' one been developed? Or are they not going to use KERS?
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I believe Honda were at the vey least in the process of developing one, and quite possibly were the second team (the first being BMW) to have a working unit.
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Barcelona Day 3
Button quickest so far and Massa has problems.
10:15 UK Time interim Times:
1. J. Button (BrawnGP BGP001)-1:20.313 - 53 laps
2. T. Glock (Toyota TF109)-1:21.046 - 35 laps
3. F. Alonso (Renault R29) -1:21.100 - 33 laps
4. A. Kubica (BMW-Sauber F1.09)-1:21.201 - 30 laps
5. S. Vettel (Red Bull RB5)-1:21.242 - 33 laps
6. N Rosberg (Williams FW31)-1:22.482 - 26 laps
7. G. Fisicella (Force India VJM02)-1:21.572 - 22 laps
8. L. Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes MP4-24) -1:21.657 - 28 laps
9. S. Buemi (Toro Rosso STR04)-1:21.955 - 29 laps
10. F. Massa (Ferrari F60)-1:22.326 -08 laps
Button quickest so far and Massa has problems.
10:15 UK Time interim Times:
1. J. Button (BrawnGP BGP001)-1:20.313 - 53 laps
2. T. Glock (Toyota TF109)-1:21.046 - 35 laps
3. F. Alonso (Renault R29) -1:21.100 - 33 laps
4. A. Kubica (BMW-Sauber F1.09)-1:21.201 - 30 laps
5. S. Vettel (Red Bull RB5)-1:21.242 - 33 laps
6. N Rosberg (Williams FW31)-1:22.482 - 26 laps
7. G. Fisicella (Force India VJM02)-1:21.572 - 22 laps
8. L. Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes MP4-24) -1:21.657 - 28 laps
9. S. Buemi (Toro Rosso STR04)-1:21.955 - 29 laps
10. F. Massa (Ferrari F60)-1:22.326 -08 laps
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Ross Brawn on fuel
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090310141834.shtml
Notice that he doesn't mention KERS ballast.
I wonder how much fuel they would have to take out to gain 1.2 seconds over his morning pace?
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090310141834.shtml
Notice that he doesn't mention KERS ballast.
I wonder how much fuel they would have to take out to gain 1.2 seconds over his morning pace?
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Even if they are putting those times out with low weight, its still very impressive pace from a car in only its 4th (including the Silverstone test) day. Seems to be pretty reliable already and Jenson and Rubens seem to have got to grips with it pretty fast.
Even though its unlikely they will be front-runners, I think they are very likely to be regular points scorers this year, if not the odd podium or even STR-like win.
Whereas McLaren are looking more and more in trouble, they seem to be problem-solving their rear aero a lot.
Even though its unlikely they will be front-runners, I think they are very likely to be regular points scorers this year, if not the odd podium or even STR-like win.
Whereas McLaren are looking more and more in trouble, they seem to be problem-solving their rear aero a lot.
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If Button's normal pace (not his quickest lap) is with legal weight then they will be front runners this season. But as Murray Walker once said if is F1 backwards.
McLaren are slow and Ferrari are in trouble with reliability. They will both sort out the problems they have but it will take time.
BMW, Renault and Toyota are all looking good. Melbourne could be a much more open race than expected.
New rules usually means one team gets it significantly more right than the others and it's a rubbish season with one team dominating.
McLaren are slow and Ferrari are in trouble with reliability. They will both sort out the problems they have but it will take time.
BMW, Renault and Toyota are all looking good. Melbourne could be a much more open race than expected.
New rules usually means one team gets it significantly more right than the others and it's a rubbish season with one team dominating.
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As Flav said "If you have no sponsors for your car, you come here to make big lap times. Otherwise you focus on the preparation of your machine,"
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Except that Brawn GP have the budget for this season due to the Honda deal and the FIA forwarding their share of the TV money.
They need a sponsor of course but it is not an immediate issue for them.
They need a sponsor of course but it is not an immediate issue for them.
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No but what hes saying is they will be putting huge impressive times by hook or crook to attract a sponsor. Im not to sure about the Budget. I don't think they have the resources to do a Honda and go sponsor less.
Also we're BrawnGP running some 08 aero of the car?
Also we're BrawnGP running some 08 aero of the car?
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Why would they now? Apparently, today Button was running a full race simulation, so I don't see why they would be testing 08 parts now....they don't really have the time-luxury to mess about with comparisons.
Although I agree this is all very likely a quick way to get sponsors interested, I think the car has shown its reliable and if not quick, its definitely going to beat Force India at the very least.
I predict they qualify within the top 12 at Melbourne at the very least.
I also think its looking increasinly likely they may even beat McLaren...its gone beyond sandbagging for them now..they are in serious trouble.
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Well, most teams at the start of testing ran some 08 features didn't they? Considering Brawns lack of testing time then if they followed suit these days are the only time they could do that.
I hope it is the full pace because it looks promising but the 'too good to be true' attitude has taken over. And with Flav's accusations of cheating within the ranks.
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08 parts are unlikely due to how close it is to the start of the season, not to mention how rubbish last years car was!
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