How much power is too much?

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What level of hp should you limit your tuning to?

  • 300 or less

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 400

    Votes: 5 8.5%

  • 500

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • 600

    Votes: 20 33.9%

  • 700

    Votes: 11 18.6%

  • 800 +

    Votes: 8 13.6%
  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
monsterGAUZ
I guess you haven't played GT5 enough or you haven't been in enough random lobbies to recognize that.
Vipers are noob cars because it doesn't require any skill to drift them or keep up in a tandem. The power and the wide tires do the work for you. That's why this car is banned from many professional competitions, tournaments etc
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You do realize you can slap a bunch of power and wider tires on a car in real life right? Some of those builds end up becoming more efficient at delivering power than the various versions of the Viper that have been in Formula D.
 
monsterGAUZ
I guess you haven't played GT5 enough or you haven't been in enough random lobbies to recognize that.
Vipers are noob cars because it doesn't require any skill to drift them or keep up in a tandem. The power and the wide tires do the work for you. That's why this car is banned from many professional competitions, tournaments etc
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lately i haven't been online as much as usual and i haven't been in many competitions recently but the viper is not an easy car to drift, just because its fast doesn't make it a noob car, speed alone doesn't win competitions and it is a hard car to get enough angle to compete with BMW m3's or nissan 350z/370z's. If any cars are noob cars for drifting its the m3's and 350z/370z's.
 
Spirit R's ,Vipers and vettes are N00b cars. They're easy to drift and are fast also the guys behind you who want to tandem can't keep up with it. M3's , Z's are abit more dificult to drift.
 
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eddyac
RX-7's ,Vipers and vettes are N00b cars. They're easy to drift and are fast also the guys behind you who want to tandem can't keep up with it. M3's , Z's are abit more dificult to drift.
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Have to disagree with RX-7 being a "noob" drift car. I'd say that only the RX-7 Spirit R is the only noob drift car and all the rest are okay.
 
I have no real perception of how good a drifter I am because I don't try hard on the DT's. To give you guys an idea of my drifting skill on my 3 or 4 lap around egier short track I scored a 13584 with the viper coupe.

A hp limit does not theoretically exist in GT5 drifting. It is purely down to the skill and car control of the driver. I don't have a limit and can drift my 1000+ viper with no issues.
 
This thread would be more helpfull if the main question would be "How much power still not enough for drifting". Because if the subject is HP limit, then sky is the limit too.
 
adz-94
Torque is more important than power for drifting because it is torque that makes the wheels lose traction,power just keeps them spinning.
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Part of this is right, The other part is wrong. Gearing has more effect of tire spin than hp. HP only is really useful at high speed acceleration.

I tend to stay around the 500hp mark. But it also depends on the weight of the vehicle. If its slightly heavier it will have more power. But I tune for tq soI dont car where the hp ends up at.
 
fastfox400
Part of this is right, The other part is wrong. Gearing has more effect of tire spin than hp. HP only is really useful at high speed acceleration.

I tend to stay around the 500hp mark. But it also depends on the weight of the vehicle. If its slightly heavier it will have more power. But I tune for tq soI dont car where the hp ends up at.
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if you want to get really technical, engines don't produce power, they produce torque and rpm, power is the amount of work that can be done in a given time and can be compared between every engine so technically power doesn't exist.

torque (lb-ft) X RPM / 5252 = BHP
so if you have an engine that produces 600 lb-ft of torque at 4000 rpm
600 X 4000 / 5252 = 457bhp @ 4000 rpm

so if power is just a calculation from torque and rpm does it really matter how much bhp your car has? or is max torque more important?

I also tune for torque and the more torque i get the better it is for me but as I've just proved you cant have lots of torque without lots of power.
 
adz-94
if you want to get really technical, engines don't produce power, they produce torque and rpm, power is the amount of work that can be done in a given time and can be compared between every engine so technically power doesn't exist.

torque (lb-ft) X RPM / 5252 = BHP
so if you have an engine that produces 600 lb-ft of torque at 4000 rpm
600 X 4000 / 5252 = 457bhp @ 4000 rpm

so if power is just a calculation from torque and rpm does it really matter how much bhp your car has? or is max torque more important?

I also tune for torque and the more torque i get the better it is for me but as I've just proved you cant have lots of torque without lots of power.
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Depends on the application. Drifting require a vehicle with a relatively flat torque curve through a specified operating range. Where a trans canbe tuned to make usage of 100% available torque.

But there are some situations where engine can be setup to create twice as much hp as torque. Nascars are actually one of them. I use to work on them when I was going to tech school. They make 950-980hp but only make 500-550 ft lb of tq.
 
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jrkiwiboy
On GT5 I've been trying to get the best performance from my engine and try to pack in a couple more rpm's to the tachometer. To do so I buy all 3 stages for engine tuning and a racing chip. By doing this I am starting to get up to 700 hp from some cars. This brings the question forward: should you stop at a certain hp before you just become hp crazy. I try drifting high and low output cars as it has been said a person who drifts high power cars become unable to drift low powered cars.
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What tires are you using and I drift a 780 hp Aston Martin v12 vantage on comf. Hards and a 500 hp 370z on comf. hards
 
fastfox400
Depends on the application. Drifting require a vehicle with a relatively flat torque curve through a specified operating range. Where a trans canbe tuned to make usage of 100% available torque.

But there are some situations where engine can be setup to create twice as much hp as torque. Nascars are actually one of them. I use to work on them when I was going to tech school. They make 950-980hp but only make 500-550 ft lb of tq.
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yeah and if you use the equation from before the make that much power because they have alot of torque at a higher rpm. look at this...

peak torque of 100 lb-ft at 3000 rpm
100 X 3000 / 5252 = 57.1 bhp @ 3000 rpm

peak torque of 100 lb-ft at 4000 rpm
100 X 4000 / 5252 = 76.1 bhp @ 4000 rpm

peak torque of 100 lb-ft at 6000 rpm
100 X 6000 / 5252 = 114.2 bhp @ 6000 rpm

^^^Same amount of torque just at a higher rpm.The more torque the engine produces at a higher rpm the more power it creates. For a vehicle to have a flat torque curve throughout the rev range it must have alot of power. For an engine to create twice as much power as torque you just increase the max rpm, for example a F1 car creates about 150lb-ft of torque from 3000 to 18000rpm, not much torque but at a very high rpm hence the 780bhp they produce.

My point is if you want a flat torque curve throughout the rev range you will need alot of power, and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it because maths is maths.
 
NISMO DK
What tires are you using and I drift a 780 hp Aston Martin v12 vantage on comf. Hards and a 500 hp 370z on comf. hards
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I always use ch tyres. As does almost everyone
 
I don't think there is a limit of too much. I have 1000+hp and love them and 300hp cars and love them. It doesn't really matter on how much power it has anyway since you can only go so fast to make the corners. The high hp cars are better for bigger tracks. Try to drift "the burg" with a small 300hp in one consecutive drift. Good luck, it will be the worst drift of your life. Huge hp cars are crazy on big tracks as you can use the speed to drift the huge corners.
 
shmogt
I don't think there is a limit of too much. I have 1000+hp and love them and 300hp cars and love them. It doesn't really matter on how much power it has anyway since you can only go so fast to make the corners. The high hp cars are better for bigger tracks. Try to drift "the burg" with a small 300hp in one consecutive drift. Good luck, it will be the worst drift of your life. Huge hp cars are crazy on big tracks as you can use the speed to drift the huge corners.
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I've drifted the burg with one consecutive drift many times the lowest hp I've gone was 440 hp in my 96' 200sx on comfort hards.
 
NISMO DK
I've drifted the burg with one consecutive drift many times the lowest hp I've gone was 440 hp in my 96' 200sx on comfort hards.
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Lol well 440hp is just barely at the low end of the power.
 
Ecchi-BANZAII!!
If you think you have to much horse power it just means you haven't enough throttle control.
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Agreed. My 1000hp SRT10 takes sooo much more control than my 350hp S14. The S14 is floored half the time because it needs all of its power to hit clipping points (and also to stay in boost) whereas the viper only uses all 1000hp about 5% of the time with the rest of the time spent carefully modulating the throttle.
 
I actually just spent most of my weekend tuning some cars for drifting, and it just depends on the car.

I like my Silvias with comfort hards and hp in the 300-400 range, my Z's are all around 450-550hp with sport hards, I've got a c63 with like 650hp and sport hards, and my favorite car the Supra 3.0 GT is putting out about 470hp and running on sport hards. They all have similar suspension setups (hard springs and dampers, lowered in the front, .5 camber, no toe) and I use the close ratio transmissions. I can easily slide around Tsukuba with all these cars. I have a hard time with my higher powered cars, just because I don't have enough throttle throw to really control the car (I use a controller but I'm setting up my wheel soon).
 
NISMO DK
I've drifted the burg with one consecutive drift many times the lowest hp I've gone was 440 hp in my 96' 200sx on comfort hards.
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Then you are using turbines level 3, i supose. What i will say here is optional to you, but i suggest you try it using a level 2 turbine (will gives around 410hp), because then your torque response will be more direct and constant. Also then, reduce the top speed a little bit.

By the way, i like to run with cars below the 300hp sometimes more than those hp freaks that we are used to drift in.
 
Thanks for the tip but I like the level 3 engine better. Also my lowest HP drift car is a 180 hp TVR. It weights 850kg and it's really fun to slide around.
 
risewithefallen
Agreed. My 1000hp SRT10 takes sooo much more control than my 350hp S14. The S14 is floored half the time because it needs all of its power to hit clipping points (and also to stay in boost) whereas the viper only uses all 1000hp about 5% of the time with the rest of the time spent carefully modulating the throttle.
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And that's why drifting is so fun:D
 

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