How NASCAR Will Fare?
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It does take skill to race in nascar those who say it doesn't are ignorant as you have to know the fastest lines which change as the tyres go, you need to know where people are because of it's competitiveness it is so close and one slight mistake can see you take out the whole field and serious hurt yourself.
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How exactly do you "know" a motorsport if you don't follow it regularly?
I can tune into a soccer game, watch it for 5 or 10 minutes, claim its boring and move on
Would it be proper for me to go blabbing my mouth somewhere else about how boring it is if I never gave it a real chance?
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Hahaha.. lots of "Facts" in this thread... F1, Indy, Le Mans, ect. would all eat a COT alive on any track. NASCAR isn't designed for high performance cars(relatively speaking, of course), they are designed to make the racing as close and "intense" as possible(or at least I'm told it's supposed to be intense...).
Many street legal supercars could take a NASCAR on an oval course as well. Most super(and even the higher end sportcars for that matter) would eat them up on a road course as well. There's no shame in it, it's just NASCAR isn't exactly cutting edge. They are still using naturally asperated, non-fuel injected small block V8's. IMO it just turns into a big traffic jam, not a race.
As for Juan Pablo Montoya... That guy has a bone to pick with F1 and anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. Also, there is a stark difference between F1 and NASCAR. You can't compare the two but any that looks at it objectively will tell you that F1 is at a whole nother level. Not that NASCAR is easy, per-say, but much more skill is required in F1 AND skill makes a much bigger difference in F1 so the good drivers stand out more. In NASCAR it's easy to be a good driver but not shine, especially if you don't know how to drive well in heavy interstate traffic, as opposed to quick reaction times and mastering braking, hitting apexes, exiting corners, ect.
Many street legal supercars could take a NASCAR on an oval course as well. Most super(and even the higher end sportcars for that matter) would eat them up on a road course as well. There's no shame in it, it's just NASCAR isn't exactly cutting edge. They are still using naturally asperated, non-fuel injected small block V8's. IMO it just turns into a big traffic jam, not a race.
As for Juan Pablo Montoya... That guy has a bone to pick with F1 and anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. Also, there is a stark difference between F1 and NASCAR. You can't compare the two but any that looks at it objectively will tell you that F1 is at a whole nother level. Not that NASCAR is easy, per-say, but much more skill is required in F1 AND skill makes a much bigger difference in F1 so the good drivers stand out more. In NASCAR it's easy to be a good driver but not shine, especially if you don't know how to drive well in heavy interstate traffic, as opposed to quick reaction times and mastering braking, hitting apexes, exiting corners, ect.
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How exactly do you "know" a motorsport if you don't follow it regularly?
I can tune into a soccer game, watch it for 5 or 10 minutes, claim its boring and move on
Would it be proper for me to go blabbing my mouth somewhere else about how boring it is if I never gave it a real chance?
There's one thing wrong with that, the average GT track has curvature, hairpins and chicanes, just to name a few. So, technically there is no "circle" as every degree of track changes constantly. However, I do see your point and where you're going with it. As far as NASCAR goes, I've gotta be honest I just don't care enough. It's the way I feel and none of this "You've never given it a chance" is going to work, not for this. I just don't find any excitement in a left turn, straight, left turn, straight, etc...
Not my cup of tea. Do I applaud it's inclusion? Sure, it shows GT is opening up to every type of motorsport.
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SavageWhiteDude
How many times has 2 time V8 Supercar champion Marcos Ambrose said he loves being in NASCAR?
Besides being wrong, what does that have to do with this thread?
Jenson Buttons skills are really starting to shine now, because the great drivers stand out in F1
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- PAPPALCART
That is very untrue. The skill level required to win is very much dependant on your competitors skill level and to some degree the vehicle used.
As an example, take one of the division 1 guys here @ GTplanet and try and follow them (or beat them) in a 10 lap Oval race in say an F2007 and watch how badly you will get beaten. If an Oval requires no skill then you will have no problems keeping up or winning. Try the same in a slower car like a Toyota Yaris (where it is unlikely that you will have to brake or let off the throttle) and yes then you will have a far greater chance of matching or beating a D1 guy.
Once of the most exciting races would be a 16 car 10 lap race on an Oval using a car like a Yaris againts 15 other human players, it would be so close where slip streaming would be imperative and even more importantly using the slip stream at the right time.
Oval races are only normally boring when playing againts the CPU controlled cars as normally the CPU cars are either rubbish or we often choose a way more competitive car inorder to win easily, this is when Oval racing, or any kind of race does not require much skill.
If NASCAR requires no skill, then heck I am gonna be a NASCAR driver on $10 million dollars per year, beats my current job.
PS
I am not too interested in NASCAR and find it a little boring, but by no means is it easy and nor does it require any less skill and judgement then many other Motorsports.
And remember, NASCAR tacks may generally be round, but it is not all 100% throttle all the way round, you do have to let off and doing this without loosing as much time as the guy infront takes precision!!
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I do hate NASCAR though!!
As an example, take one of the division 1 guys here @ GTplanet and try and follow them (or beat them) in a 10 lap Oval race in say an F2007 and watch how badly you will get beaten. If an Oval requires no skill then you will have no problems keeping up or winning. Try the same in a slower car like a Toyota Yaris (where it is unlikely that you will have to brake or let off the throttle) and yes then you will have a far greater chance of matching or beating a D1 guy.
Once of the most exciting races would be a 16 car 10 lap race on an Oval using a car like a Yaris againts 15 other human players, it would be so close where slip streaming would be imperative and even more importantly using the slip stream at the right time.
Oval races are only normally boring when playing againts the CPU controlled cars as normally the CPU cars are either rubbish or we often choose a way more competitive car inorder to win easily, this is when Oval racing, or any kind of race does not require much skill.
If NASCAR requires no skill, then heck I am gonna be a NASCAR driver on $10 million dollars per year, beats my current job.
PS
I am not too interested in NASCAR and find it a little boring, but by no means is it easy and nor does it require any less skill and judgement then many other Motorsports.
And remember, NASCAR tacks may generally be round, but it is not all 100% throttle all the way round, you do have to let off and doing this without loosing as much time as the guy infront takes precision!!
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I do hate NASCAR though!!
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I whole heartly agree with your post, PAPPACLART. You took the words right out of my mouth, undoubtely. 👍
I will say, however, that I do find it exciting. But that is subjective, of course. The skill part, however, is objective, and saying it doesn't take any skills to drive in NASCAR, then it's just rubbish.
I will say, however, that I do find it exciting. But that is subjective, of course. The skill part, however, is objective, and saying it doesn't take any skills to drive in NASCAR, then it's just rubbish.
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id hate to tell you but the skill level in F1 is all about the same. they were all the best in GP2 and thats why they are there. the thing that makes a driver shine in F1 is his car more then his skill. and im not even a nascar fan i cant stand watching nascar but i will be the first to admit its not the driver its the car in F1.
but on to the OP topic (which it seems to have strayed far from) other series would beat a stock car. a WRC car of course wont but then again i dont think the top speeds on those cars are 200+ and why would they need to be.
but i also noticed someone said something about an F1 car probably not acting that way on an oval. i beg to differ on that. i would really think an F1 car would really shine on an oval. the faster the cars go the faster there able to turn, the slower they go the there handeling goes with it. on a super speedway an F1 car would probably be pushing the revlimeter the whole time being able to take the banks at 5G's.
as for a Lemans car an LMP1 i could see beating it since the top speed is 220MPH a LMP2 would but up a nice fight with it and would probably keep a higher speed in the turns but the Nascar car would be able to take it in the straights. GT1 and GT2 dont have a high enough top speed to compete with it.
JGTC im not certain about but i guess we will find out wont we.
but on to the OP topic (which it seems to have strayed far from) other series would beat a stock car. a WRC car of course wont but then again i dont think the top speeds on those cars are 200+ and why would they need to be.
but i also noticed someone said something about an F1 car probably not acting that way on an oval. i beg to differ on that. i would really think an F1 car would really shine on an oval. the faster the cars go the faster there able to turn, the slower they go the there handeling goes with it. on a super speedway an F1 car would probably be pushing the revlimeter the whole time being able to take the banks at 5G's.
as for a Lemans car an LMP1 i could see beating it since the top speed is 220MPH a LMP2 would but up a nice fight with it and would probably keep a higher speed in the turns but the Nascar car would be able to take it in the straights. GT1 and GT2 dont have a high enough top speed to compete with it.
JGTC im not certain about but i guess we will find out wont we.
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So, you never had a head-to-head race on Daytona Oval in Prologue where you are side by side in the turns and the winner is determined by who can push it that little bit more in the turns without it becoming unstable?
He's not the only driver to move from road racing of some form and comment on how it isn't as easy as he thought.
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How exactly do you "know" a motorsport if you don't follow it regularly?
I can tune into a soccer game, watch it for 5 or 10 minutes, claim its boring and move on
Would it be proper for me to go blabbing my mouth somewhere else about how boring it is if I never gave it a real chance?
Of course you have to be a smart a** about it. If you want so damn precise about it I think its incredibly boring to go around in a big oval racing and watching it is just as boring. Also I am blabbing my mouth off about something I gave a big chance. You dont know me nor do you know if I ever raced in oval races in games before.
As a matter of fact I play a game called Project Torque which has Oval racing in it as well as street racing. Last weekend I spent 3 days racing on oval races each day racing for 6 hours to gain points so that I can gain a higher levell and upgrade my road car more. After all that Oval racing I still say its incredibly boring mister smart a**.
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the closet thing i can find to a posible top speed comes from here
http://www.imca-slotracing.com/2005-JGTC.htm
and that just says that the straight line speed is slower then an FIA GT car but with the amount of aero work the cornering im sure is much higher. but i cant find any numbers on them. seeing an an FIA GT cars top speed in ~205MPH i would guess around the ~200MPH mark
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Why would Super GT cars have a "top speed" lol
Since when is completely changing gear ratios in the transmission specifically for each coarse a new thing?
One thing that might not be common knowledge is that GT500 cars are restricted to 500hp (not sure how they rate their HP though) and GT300 are limited to 300hp. Any car to go over that mark will have penalty weight added to the car. Same goes for their engine size, last I checked 3.0 liters is the max for a GT500 and any more will incure a weight fine. (think RB26, 2jz, small liter engines which were pretty much designed for JGTC competition.)
To bring my post back to OP's topic a GT500 super gt car would destroy a nascar restricted to 450hp, obviously, but if you put an 800hp dinosaur vs a 500hp super gt car then you will have a slightly closer race (still think the super gt car would win due to incredible aerodynamics and weight/power ratio)
Since when is completely changing gear ratios in the transmission specifically for each coarse a new thing?
One thing that might not be common knowledge is that GT500 cars are restricted to 500hp (not sure how they rate their HP though) and GT300 are limited to 300hp. Any car to go over that mark will have penalty weight added to the car. Same goes for their engine size, last I checked 3.0 liters is the max for a GT500 and any more will incure a weight fine. (think RB26, 2jz, small liter engines which were pretty much designed for JGTC competition.)
To bring my post back to OP's topic a GT500 super gt car would destroy a nascar restricted to 450hp, obviously, but if you put an 800hp dinosaur vs a 500hp super gt car then you will have a slightly closer race (still think the super gt car would win due to incredible aerodynamics and weight/power ratio)
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I'm hoping that there will be a mix of restrictor plate races and nonrestrictor plate races at Daytona SS. This is because some people love restrictor plate racing. This is what will happen to the people who dont like restrictor plate races and will have to race in them: snore, snore. I for one love restrictor plate racing at superspeedways (tri-oval tracks over 2 miles) because it provides closer racing and the art of slipstreaming/drafting. (which is the same thing in my opinion) That's is why I'd support resctrictor plate races but don't want them in all Superspeedway races.
It will be great if PD includes both restrictors and non restrictors for BOTH Daytona and Talledega. Nothing beats options for both sides. It is only the best way. 👍
And the reason why I want to know the top speed of a Super GT car is so I will know how well it would do against an unrestricted stock car. I mean if it can only go 200+ then a stock car would beat it quite easily seeing as how they usually average around 215+ according to some posters in here.
And the reason why I want to know the top speed of a Super GT car is so I will know how well it would do against an unrestricted stock car. I mean if it can only go 200+ then a stock car would beat it quite easily seeing as how they usually average around 215+ according to some posters in here.
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Personally I'm not to happy they decided to put Nascar in. I used to watch it in the 90's but now it's such a joke of "manufactured competition." Yeah yeah yeah it's part of the "racing world" but these cars are frggin' 3500lbs. What kind of race car is that? Just hope when it's released the online rooms aren't flooded with Nascar races.
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steve30x
How many NASCAR races have you watched? Do you even get them on TV? Do you know any of the rules? Any of the drivers? Do you know any of the tracks besides Daytona?
True, I don't know you, but you're just another statistic to me. Your type is very common, easy to spot.
steve30x
So your hate of NASCAR and oval racing is based on this
As expected you little to nothing about NASCAR or oval racing in general, yet you felt the need to come in this thread and mouth off about how boring it is.
If you want to know what oval racing is about pick yourself up a copy of this game
Go online to one of the openspeedway.net servers and get your head handed to you on a platter, that is if you don't get ejected first because you can't keep the car pointed straight or can't handle the 3 wide bumper to bumper racing with cars on the razor edge
Quick example of oval racing in NR2003
Ask Jacques Villeneuve how easy it is to drive through the bumps of Daytona's turns 3 and 4
steve30x
There also such a thing as educated and uneducated opinions.
I dont know why I get sucked into replying to posts like this and others, it's a waste of my time because the truth is they don't care.
Demon Drone
Here we have the popular "I'm an old school NASCAR fan. Modern NASCAR sucks!" You also have the same thing with Formula 1 "fans"
Truth is these people never were anything close to big NASCAR fans. If they were, they would at least know stock cars have always been heavy and slow
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Here are some match ups I'm going to do once the game comes out and of course my predictions:
(This will be unrestricted and on Talledega and Daytona):
NASCAR vs F1: F1
NASCAR vs Le Mans Proto: Proto.
NASCAR vs GT1 & GT2: NASCAR
NASCAR vs Super GT: NASCAR
NASCAR vs WRC: NASCAR
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Once again, I hope my prediction is right because it would suck to know that a car that was built around oval racing actually loses on its home turf. :/
(This will be unrestricted and on Talledega and Daytona):
NASCAR vs F1: F1
NASCAR vs Le Mans Proto: Proto.
NASCAR vs GT1 & GT2: NASCAR
NASCAR vs Super GT: NASCAR
NASCAR vs WRC: NASCAR
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Once again, I hope my prediction is right because it would suck to know that a car that was built around oval racing actually loses on its home turf. :/
