How will pit stops work with electrical cars?

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They get recharged? I dunno how long it takes to recharge them though, lol. A quick google search says the Tesla has about a 250 mile range and according to one test only 179km (111 miles), which isn't terribly long really. It'd still have to change tyres and repair damage (assuming GT5 has tyre wear).
 
Possibly, though the Tesla has I think 2000 batteries. That's a lot of swapping, unless they're all bundled together and you can swap them all in one go.
 
Since an overnight recharge is out of the question...
💡 the next best guess would be to switch to a second identical car...


Other than that, an unrealistic (recharge for an electrical car) regular pit stop just like any other gasoline/petrol based vehicle...

This is just minor details... The essence of this game is the race and the beauty of it... ;)
 
Maybe recharging electrical cars works like changing the oil in GT4; you have to go to GT Auto every few hundred miles? 💡
 
Erm... That is a very good question!

I'm assuming you have a spare load of batteries that charge whilst you're racing, and they simply get swapped over.
 
Maybe to be more realistic you will only be able to enter them in races that are within thier charge life, no endurance races for them, that makes the most sence to me.:dunce:
 
Dave A
Possibly, though the Tesla has I think 2000 batteries. That's a lot of swapping, unless they're all bundled together and you can swap them all in one go.
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According to the last Top Gear episode they have around 6800 batteries and take around 6+ hours to charge.

Whether they can be removed or swapped easily is doubtful, so i don't think we will see tuned Tesla Roadsters in 24 hour races :lol:
 
A "fast" charge would still take the better part of ten to fifteen laps... so... no.

Smaller electrics and electric bikes can have battery swaps done on the go, but for something like the Tesla, that's a logistical improbability.
 
I would imagine PD won't allow them in traditional races to avoid the problem.

But if they're allowed in races with gasoline cars, I'd guess they would just do tires and then probably a "charge" that was the equivalent of the gas tank fill-up.
 
WolfRacer543
They get recharged? I dunno how long it takes to recharge them though, lol. A quick google search says the Tesla has about a 250 mile range and according to one test only 179km (111 miles), which isn't terribly long really. It'd still have to change tyres and repair damage (assuming GT5 has tyre wear).
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it has a 250 mile range under NORMAL use....

...racing is hardly normal use.


thats a very good question:tup:
 
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Seismica
That won't stop them adding some sort of upgrade for it lol, but any upgrade would have to reduce the battery life by a lot.
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You might be able to upgrade the batteries too.


As for pit stops, I wouldn't be suprised if it still worked like a fuel pitstop and topped up the batteries in seconds, not realistic but stops the cars from being useless for longer races.
 
Maybe switch to a different car entirely. Which might imply that the event will require more than one of the car you entered with to compete. Just a thought.
 
How did the Toyota Prius re-fuel in the pits in GT4. I can't remember. If someone can, maybe that can answer the question to some extent?
 
Toyota Prius runs on petrol.

Anyway if it was realistic the electric only cars would just get a battery swap, Renault amongst others have already got the system ready for road use when they sell their electric cars, when the battery runs low you go into a fuel station and when you stop you park in a bay and an automated system like a car wash slides out the battery unit and puts in a charged one, it takes the same time as filling up with petrol.
What PD would need to simulate is the pit crew sliding out the battery unit with trolley jacks.

Another thing but same topic, with Renault being an example you cant buy the electric car with the battery included, you buy the car and rent battery. It would be interesting if PD followed this strictly, so if you had an electric car it would auto debit your credits every month for battery rentals.
I'm wondering in this ever eco focused time, if PD will start charging for petrol/diesel/electricity. Making us conservative about fuel consumption lol.
 
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jedaye
How did the Toyota Prius re-fuel in the pits in GT4. I can't remember. If someone can, maybe that can answer the question to some extent?
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It didn't. A Prius in GT4 runs forever without depleting its fuel tank.

And, as said previously, it runs on petrol. The petrol engine recharges the (small) battery packs on the fly. A full charge from near "empty" (though the onboard controller won't let the battery packs get critically low, as this shortens their lifespan) takes just a few minutes... but the regular Prius can only run a very short distance at full speed on those packs.
 
SETWAVE
Anyway if it was realistic the electric only cars would just get a battery swap, Renault amongst others have already got the system ready for road use when they sell their electric cars, when the battery runs low you go into a fuel station and when you stop you park in a bay and an automated system like a car wash slides out the battery unit and puts in a charged one, it takes the same time as filling up with petrol.
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Really? That's just... :lol:
 
Even if the Tesla has thousands of batteries that'd require hours to change, in a "race" situation I'm sure a smart engineer could figure out a way to bundle them all into an easily swappable box, assuming that's not what's already done. Heck, a large portion of petrol racing vehicles dont have the original "street" fuel tank in them, so I'm sure a racing Tesla could be modified appropriately.
 
WolfRacer543
Even if the Tesla has thousands of batteries that'd require hours to change, in a "race" situation I'm sure a smart engineer could figure out a way to bundle them all into an easily swappable box, assuming that's not what's already done. Heck, a large portion of petrol racing vehicles dont have the original "street" fuel tank in them, so I'm sure a racing Tesla could be modified appropriately.
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Wikipedia Article
Tesla Motors refers to the Roadster's battery pack as the Energy Storage System or ESS. The ESS contains 6,831 lithium ion cells arranged into 11 "sheets" connected in series; each sheet contains 9 "bricks" connected in series; each "brick" contains 69 cells connected in parallel (11S 9S 69P). The cells are 18 mm (0.71 in) in diameter and 65 mm (2.6 in) long (18650 form-factor)
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It would require the removal and replacement of 11 sheets, which i would estimate would take ~15 minutes (maybe more), which is what around 3 to 5 times the average fuel stop for a long distance tank using a standard fuel nozzle? Plus the fact the range will be significantly lower than similar cars at race speeds.

I think we have established that this car would really suck for endurance racing, as would other electric cars. I hope for the love of god PD don't implement an electric car only endurance race (though i am expecting a single race series of 3-5 races, and maybe a 1 make race for the Tesla).
 
Seismica
It would require the removal and replacement of 11 sheets, which i would estimate would take ~15 minutes (maybe more), which is what around 3 to 5 times the average fuel stop for a long distance tank using a standard fuel nozzle? Plus the fact the range will be significantly lower than similar cars at race speeds.
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What I'm saying is that a smart race engineer could design something that could be removed and replaced quickly. Just because you estimate it would take 15 minutes to replace doesn't mean it will take 15 minutes ;) It could be streamlined to take only a few seconds in a race situation. Also, are you sure the 11 sheets even need to replaced individually, rather than the entire pack?

Well, even if you do need to remove all 11 sheets individually, surely an engineer with half a brain could make a frame that holds all 11 sheets and can be swapped out quickly. This site suggests the 11 sheets are already comes in a "pack", so all that needs to be done is make the entire pack removable.

http://www.teslamotors.com/display_data/TeslaRoadsterBatterySystem.pdf

Remember that actual endurance race cars often have modifications to streamline pit stops, the same could be done with the Tesla.
 

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