Hurricane Watch: Hurricane ISAAC.

[CodeRedR51]

They're driving around the car park right now. They're trapped there for another day or two at least. They're trying to do something with the wild hogs.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

"We have folks who are trapped"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-levee-sends-12-foot-flood-into-la-homes?lite

I just dont understand how this happens. People are warned about 5-7 days in advance to leave before the hurricane hits. Plus its not like this is the first time a Hurricane has hit this area. In fact its the anniversary of one of the worst natural disasters. Sorry if this sounds harsh but maybe someone can explain to me how this happens to people that live in that area....again. They live in an area thats below sea level and is known to flood when hurricanes hit. Yet decide to wait out the storm and get trapped....again.

Really makes you wonder; if the Earth were a body and we were microbes -which part of the body's surface would be the best part to live on?

Most places up north are quite safe. Earthquakes and tornadoes are almost non-existent. Hurricanes dont do any damage by the time they hit. Winter can be tough once in a while but most people own 4x4 vehicles. As much as I dislike Michigan, at least we dont have any natural disasters to worry about. No matter how bad the winter gets, we are still able to survive with very minimal damage. Thats about the only thing optimistic about this state. But to live in an area thats below sea level and to get "trapped" when a hurricane floods the area thats known to be flooded, boggles my mind.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Just to clarify, when I say they are trapped I mean that they just can't go anywhere outside the parking garage. They actually planned on being there on purpose.

 

[Blitz24]

Really makes you wonder; if the Earth were a body and we were microbes -which part of the body's surface would be the best part to live on?
Plaquemines is getting hit really hard - hard enough for official search and rescue operations to be taking place.
Interesting story I heard - if you want to chase it down - is that a guy out in that Parrish was trapped in an attic with a very solidly built roof with no way to get out of his flooded home and for lack of any other efficient enough tool, put his gun to good use and blasted a hole in the ceiling to save himself.

The pictures and videos of people daring enough to stream live are quite unnerving. Somewhat surreal for me, as the weather in Scarborough is blissfully fair, sunny and mild . . . the bird on the wing, the snail on the thorn.. . . .

My thoughts (and this thread, of course) are with all those battling this storm. Stay alert, stay safe.

Cheers,
Harry.

"We have folks who are trapped"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-levee-sends-12-foot-flood-into-la-homes?lite

I just dont understand how this happens. People are warned about 5-7 days in advance to leave before the hurricane hits. Plus its not like this is the first time a Hurricane has hit this area. In fact its the anniversary of one of the worst natural disasters. Sorry if this sounds harsh but maybe someone can explain to me how this happens to people that live in that area....again. They live in an area thats below sea level and is known to flood when hurricanes hit. Yet decide to wait out the storm and get trapped....again.


Most places up north are quite safe. Earthquakes and tornadoes are almost non-existent. Hurricanes dont do any damage by the time they hit. Winter can be tough once in a while but most people own 4x4 vehicles. As much as I dislike Michigan, at least we dont have any natural disasters to worry about. No matter how bad the winter gets, we are still able to survive with very minimal damage. Thats about the only thing optimistic about this state. But to live in an area thats below sea level and to get "trapped" when a hurricane floods the area thats known to be flooded, boggles my mind.

People tend to overlook these negatives as a minor problem. Sadly (and more-so in Plaquemines Parrish than New Orleans) there is an even lower threshold for rainfall.

On the bright side (if its even possible to have one), the storm should be moving over the Eastern Great Plains (Arkansas, E. Kansas, Missouri) which, unlike Louisiana, needs this kind of rain (although probably not on this scale and volume).

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Just to clarify, when I say they are trapped I mean that they just can't go anywhere outside the parking garage. They actually planned on being there on purpose.

My quote about being "trapped" was one of the quotes from the news article in the link I provided in post #32. Nothing directed at you or anyone else.

Another quote from that link. "National Guardsmen and residents rescued dozens of people trapped in homes" Thats what my entire #32 post was directed at.

Blitz,
You are correct, The Eastern Great Plains needs and will greatly accept the rain thats coming from this storm.

 

[Blitz24]

My quote about being "trapped" was one of the quotes from the news article in the link I provided in post #32. Nothing directed at you or anyone else.

Another quote from that link. "National Guardsmen and residents rescued dozens of people trapped in homes" Thats what my entire #32 post was directed at.

Blitz,
You are correct, The Eastern Great Plains needs and will greatly accept the rain thats coming from this storm.

The people trapped may be the people who DON'T have access to media services other than the radio. I would say that maybe recluses live there but its not 100% certain. Either way, if they are trapped the Guardsmen cannot really NOT rescue them. If they did that they would be in even more trouble.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

The people trapped may be the people who DON'T have access to media services other than the radio. I would say that maybe recluses live there but its not 100% certain. Either way, if they are trapped the Guardsmen cannot really NOT rescue them. If they did that they would be in even more trouble.

Even if they only have a radio, the radio provides warnings for major storms. But on the other hand. If they can only afford a radio, they probably cant afford the necessary transportation to leave that area.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

Can we sell Louisiana back to the French?

 

[Blitz24]

Can we sell Louisiana back to the French?

What good would that do? I don't think they can afford to buy it.

 

[FoolKiller]

The people trapped may be the people who DON'T have access to media services other than the radio. I would say that maybe recluses live there but its not 100% certain. Either way, if they are trapped the Guardsmen cannot really NOT rescue them. If they did that they would be in even more trouble.

Are you suggesting these people might not have known a hurricane was coming? Never mind that there are requirements for emergency bands on all broadcast wavelengths, including SDTV still, and that radio is just as current as television, and about a day faster than newspapers, but if they don't notice the armed guardsmen helping direct traffic during the evacuation or all their neighbors heading out then they have bigger issues. Around here old bomb sirens have been restored as weather alert and evacuation alarms. I can't avoid knowing of impending bad weather because it sounds like the Battle of Britain. Even the rural town I grew up in had the fire and police vehicles drive around blaring sirens and making announcements over their bullhorns.

Ignorance of events has a 0.000001% chance of being an issue.

Unable to leave due to lack of transportation is a possibility, but most cities convert school or city buses to helping those people. There isn't enough but there are ways out. Most common is refusal to leave, either out of foolhardiness or a determination that they won't leave their property behind like that.

But having been in mandatory evacuations or states of emergency, I can tell you that you don't miss the armed National Guardsmen standing in the streets with assault rifles strapped to their back. You also don't miss the fact that they are ten times more polite than your local police.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

What good would that do? I don't think they can afford to buy it.

It would save us the billions spent every 5 years evacuating and rescuing the people that stayed behind. Not to mention the billions in property damage. France can have it back.

 

[photonrider]

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But having been in mandatory evacuations or states of emergency, I can tell you that you don't miss the armed National Guardsmen standing in the streets with assault rifles strapped to their back. You also don't miss the fact that they are ten times more polite than your local police.

I heard this same approval about the politeness of the British Army that helped keep everything in order during the London 2012 Olympics.
Kent State seems so far away now.. . .

As for those flood victims that didn't leave - most of those rescued said that they hadn't thought it was going to be that bad. And at least one said they were not coming back - that they had had it with the storms and evacuations, having been through it twice.
And yet - one owner interviewed on CNN, said with a shrug "It's waterfront property, what do you expect? I love it."

I must assume that the land is cheap around there, and developers may be taking advantage of that fact. There is also the problem of buildings constructed that are barely stormproof.

I look at it from the viewpoint of humanity taking over their own evolution, taking it away from Luddic Nature, and in fact instead of following its natural course, steering it to fit a future that keeps Nature as background.
Nature, of course doesn't care about obstructions when it needs a drink of water. It's the lead actor, and has always been.
When people, because of their deep and instinctive love to be near water, take a risk in enjoying the ocean at her skirts, one must risk a little twirl now and then.

The reality is billions of dollars in damage.

 

[Adamgp]

It would save us the billions spent every 5 years evacuating and rescuing the people that stayed behind. Not to mention the billions in property damage. France can have it back.

Yes. Lets's sell off/get rid of any states that have ever had, or ever will possibly have any type of natural disaster.

Wouldn't leave us with many states.

 

[Blitz24]

Yes. Lets's sell off/get rid of any states that have ever had, or ever will possibly have any type of natural disaster.

Wouldn't leave us with many states.

Or we could sell off useless states .

 

[FoolKiller]

I must assume that the land is cheap around there, and developers may be taking advantage of that fact. There is also the problem of buildings constructed that are barely stormproof.

Not cheap land. Old land and insurance. People didn't swoop in and buy it after Katrina, they already owned it and they had gone an insanely large stretch of time without getting a near-direct hit from storm surge. They probably can't afford to move anywhere else because they've been paying for insurance.

The building issue is an age issue. Codes and standards change based on new information over the years. But you can't make 50-year-old buildings get updated. And in many cases the land is so expensive the most someone can afford is a trailer.

I've actually been amazed when visiting the gulf coast. On the beach you have huge new condos, restaurants, large beach houses on stilts, and so on. Then you cross a bridge over the intercoastal waterway and it is nothing but mobile homes scattered amongst the golf courses.

 

[photonrider]

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