Hyundai Ioniq 5N is Coming to Gran Turismo 7’s Next Update

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Yes, I agree for people who don't do a lot of mileage EVs could be a good choice. As you said, certainly better than getting cold on a bike.
They are smooth and quiet which is a plus.

For people who do a lot of mileage per year (like myself) they're just not the solution. Unless many years down the line, they can dramatically accelerate the charge times and make sure there are charging points at every petrol station.
In the UK at least, many services on major roads already have both charge points and petrol stations, but ideally you want charge points to be somewhere different, away from petrol station forecourts, so you can use facilities etc. while the car charges. That said, any time I've had to drive somewhere outside of the range of my car (~340 miles in summer, ~315 in winter) I've always needed to stop to use the toilet and get some food so the time taken to charge (15-20 mins to 80% on a Supercharger) made no difference to me. In fact, several times I've been waiting for some food only to be pinged by the app to tell me the battery is almost full.

As for the Ioniq 5N in GT7, I'm looking forward to it. I've been curious about that car ever since it got revealed so I'll happily take it out for a few laps in the game.
 
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In the UK at least, many services on major roads already have both charge points and petrol stations, but ideally you want charge points to be somewhere different, away from petrol station forecourts, so you can use facilities etc. while the car charges. That said, any time I've had to drive somewhere outside of the range of my car (~340 miles in summer, ~315 in winter) I've always needed to stop to use the toilet and get some food so the time taken to charge (15-20 mins to 80% on a Supercharger) made no difference to me. In fact, several times I've been waiting for some food only to be pinged by the app to tell me the battery is almost full.

As for the Ioniq 5N in GT7, I'm looking forward to it. I've been curious about that car ever since it got revealed so I'll happily take it out for a few laps in the game.
Yes, EVs would be good for anyone doing low or medium mileage. General shopping and other errands. I'm a driving instructor so need a charge station to charge within 5 minutes top whack.
Perhaps in another 10 years from now, that may be a reality.

The Ioniq 5N is certainly a better choice than most when choosing sporty EVs to be in the game, I guess.
 
Yes, EVs would be good for anyone doing low or medium mileage. General shopping and other errands. I'm a driving instructor so need a charge station to charge within 5 minutes top whack.
Perhaps in another 10 years from now, that may be a reality.

The Ioniq 5N is certainly a better choice than most when choosing sporty EVs to be in the game, I guess.
I've never thought about how EVs work with driving instructors, I imagine most people will still want a manual license?
 
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the car also lands in the first build of Assetto Corsa EVO in the same month, it seems that for this specific car Forza had a temporal exclusivity for consoles and PC (which also happens the other way around, as is the case with the Porsche 911 992 GT3 RS in GT7)
 
I've never thought about how EVs work with driving instructors, I imagine most people will still want a manual license?
Automatic is definitely much more popular than before. I teach auto so manual doesn't really affect me. However, everything is going auto so eventually manuals will be fazed out and with petrol and diesel going the way of the dinosaurs (in theory) EVs may be the only mode of transport 🤣
 
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the car also lands in the first build of Assetto Corsa EVO in the same month, it seems that for this specific car Forza had a temporal exclusivity for consoles and PC (which also happens the other way around, as is the case with the Porsche 911 992 GT3 RS in GT7)
Contracted exclusivity on road cars is generally not much of a thing any more, generally either it's a car that specific dev likes or it's a car the manufacturer wants to promote. Either way unless it's literally a halo car for the game, nobody's paying for exclusivity for non-race cars any more.

In fact, I'd guess if you look at road cars that are in multiple of Forza/Crew/TDU (and soon ACE) I'd imagine it'd be pretty predictive of cars coming to GT. Manufacturers want to get their cars out there to all audiences!
 
the majority regret getting EVs.
I beg to differ. I’ve owned 3 EVs. 2016 i3, 2023 i4 edrive40, and now my current 2024 i4 M50. No maintenance issues. no constant oil chamges. Only check in is once every 2 years for brake fluid check. Range isn’t an issue, I charge at home while sleeping. The car even preconditions itself automatically before I head to work. Only draw back is resale value
 
It makes no difference. The Gran Turismo experience is crippled by EVs. There are almost no upgrades to experiment, no oil changes and no swaps. With an ICE you usually get three exhaust options in addition to stock. Irreversible engine upgrades giving players an incentive to collect multiple examples of the same car. Multiple forced induction options. I could go on. All these things also affect the sound in various ways.

EVs are like iPads on wheels. Maybe it’s convenient in real life, but we don’t play GT7 to enjoy the everyday practicalities of car ownership.

What’s worse, PD is also feeding the EV hype by adding them. The in-game description for the 911 Turbo S even flirts with the idea that the 992 might be the last ICE-powered 911. It’s almost like PD is tapping into the green agenda. For what reason? It’s not like my Playstation is leaving a smaller carbon footprint whenever another EV gets added.






I complain of anti-intellectualism, and you double down on it.

Tell me you've never driven an EV without telling me. I have exstensive seat time in a Model 3 performance amongst other more pedestrian EVs. It's so smooth it makes my S6 feel like a bucket of bolts and its so fast it'll leave my RX7 in another county, but ultimately the chassis is good. Power oversteer on command, great balance, good turn in and steering, and is ultimately just a wonderful thing to hustle around.

You can have anti-EV sentiments, and that's ok, they are faaar from perfect, but just making things up because you can't handle the fact it doesn't go vroom-vroom and whining about some "agenda" just makes you look like a tinfoil hat weirdo crouched in the corner of their basement.

Like it or not, EVs now make up a good portion of modern cars, and whowouldathunkit, GT7 has cars in it. Having a small handful of them in game is not representative of anything other than celebrating that fact.
 
I complain of anti-intellectualism, and you double down on it.

Tell me you've never driven an EV without telling me. I have exstensive seat time in a Model 3 performance amongst other more pedestrian EVs. It's so smooth it makes my S6 feel like a bucket of bolts and its so fast it'll leave my RX7 in another county, but ultimately the chassis is good. Power oversteer on command, great balance, good turn in and steering, and is ultimately just a wonderful thing to hustle around.
I have extensive experience in the BMW i4, and the smooth drivetrain and insane speed play a big part in why I dislike EVs. There’s just no charm to it.

Then there’s the sheer weight. And you highlight handling? Good one. :lol:
You can have anti-EV sentiments, and that's ok, they are faaar from perfect, but just making things up because you can't handle the fact it doesn't go vroom-vroom and whining about some "agenda" just makes you look like a tinfoil hat weirdo crouched in the corner of their basement.
What have I made up, and what’s tinfoil about referencing the green agenda? The world is full of climate conferences, not to mention how CSR and ESG are some of the biggest concepts in the corporate sphere. The green agenda is as mainstream as it gets, but that doesn’t mean racing games have to play ball. Or does it?
Like it or not, EVs now make up a good portion of modern cars, and whowouldathunkit, GT7 has cars in it. Having a small handful of them in game is not representative of anything other than celebrating that fact.
What a dull celebration it is. Again, the EVs are largely incompatible with the Tuning Shop and GT Auto. I prefer cars that bring most out of the game, and the EVs just don’t.
 
Automatic is definitely much more popular than before. I teach auto so manual doesn't really affect me. However, everything is going auto so eventually manuals will be fazed out and with petrol and diesel going the way of the dinosaurs (in theory) EVs may be the only mode of transport 🤣
Most definitely not in any of our lifetimes.
 
I have extensive experience in the BMW i4, and the smooth drivetrain and insane speed play a big part in why I dislike EVs. There’s just no charm to it.

Then there’s the sheer weight. And you highlight handling? Good one.
Damn bruh. You've driven 1 EV and you got the whole entire EV market nailed down compared to someone who has owner experience as well.

It's as if you're entitled to your views on EVs, but that doesn't mean anyone else such as the developers, have to pay any heed to it.
What have I made up, and what’s tinfoil about referencing the green agenda? The world is full of climate conferences, not to mention how CSR and ESG are some of the biggest concepts in the corporate sphere. The green agenda is as mainstream as it gets, but that doesn’t mean racing games have to play ball. Or does it?
The tinfoil hat is believing a video game added an EV into their game means they're "buying into" a green agenda rather than believe a game about car culture/history added an EV simply because... it's a part of car culture/history.
What a dull celebration it is. Again, the EVs are largely incompatible with the Tuning Shop and GT Auto. I prefer cars that bring most out of the game, and the EVs just don’t.
"I can use the car in races, take photos of it, make liveries for it, but the simple fact I can't modify it to the same extent as an ICE vehicle b/c of realism means it's not making full use of the game & therefore, no good".

This is as goofy of an answer as the one you gave previously with, "we don’t play GT7 to enjoy the everyday practicalities of car ownership" even though the game specifically has you wash your car, change its oil, & other mechanical services, all things nobody really enjoys with owning a car. But, they're still there because a game that promotes a love of cars knows that stuff helps sell players on a connection to "ownership".
 
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Damn bruh. You've driven 1 EV and you got the whole entire EV market nailed down compared to someone who has owner experience as well.
I only used the BMW as an example.
It's as if you're entitled to your views on EVs, but that doesn't mean anyone else such as the developers, have to pay any heed to it.
Of course not.
The tinfoil hat is believing a video game added an EV into their game means they're "buying into" a green agenda rather than believe a game about car culture/history added an EV simply because... it's a part of car culture/history.
I specifically brought up the in-game description for the 911 Turbo S. It says the ICE-powered 911 might not live on after the 992. PD does not need to write that unless they actively want to promote the death of ICEs.

You didn’t see me complain much when they added the Model 3, Mission X or all the electric VGTs. They are to be expected every now and then.
"I can use the car in races, take photos of it, make liveries for it, but the simple fact I can't modify it to the same extent as an ICE vehicle b/c of realism means it's not making full use of the game & therefore, no good".
“No good” are your words, not mine. Regardless, I have every right to prefer cars that for obvious reasons make better use of the Tuning Shop etc.
This is as goofy of an answer as the one you gave previously with, "we don’t play GT7 to enjoy the everyday practicalities of car ownership" even though the game specifically has you wash your car, change its oil, & other mechanical services, all things nobody really enjoys with owning a car. But, they're still there because a game that promotes a love of cars knows that stuff helps sell players on a connection to "ownership".
Sense of ownership is everything in GT. You partly get that through upgrades, oil changes and engine swaps. The EVs don’t offer much beyond washing. You just reinforced my point.
 
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I specifically brought up the in-game description for the 911 Turbo S. It says the ICE-powered 911 might not live on after the 992. PD does not need to write that unless they actively want to promote the death of ICEs.
I get not liking EV's but this is some insane tin foil hat nonsense. This and the rambling about a "Green Agenda" is absolutely crushing any valid point into fine dust and making you look like nothing but a conspiracy nut.
 
Contracted exclusivity on road cars is generally not much of a thing any more, generally either it's a car that specific dev likes or it's a car the manufacturer wants to promote. Either way unless it's literally a halo car for the game, nobody's paying for exclusivity for non-race cars any more.

In fact, I'd guess if you look at road cars that are in multiple of Forza/Crew/TDU (and soon ACE) I'd imagine it'd be pretty predictive of cars coming to GT. Manufacturers want to get their cars out there to all audiences!
It could be both, but the case of this Hyundai in Forza or the Porsche in GT looks like they were with a temporary exclusivity contract in mind, because in both cases after X period of months the cars end up appearing in many other games almost at the same time on those games.

And I don't think it's the case that a car brand likes a certain developer, because Porsche has already made it clear that they want to be in almost anywhere (and in fact that 911 GT3 RS 992 is even in Fortnite now)

Then we have cases where the car appears at the same time (or on similar dates) in almost all the games, a recent example of this was the Audi RS6 Avant releasing on NFS, Forza or The Crew in a short period of time.
 
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Of course not.
Then, perhaps quit boasting your opinion with confidence as a definitive statement.
I specifically brought up the in-game description for the 911 Turbo S. It says the ICE-powered 911 might not live on after the 992. PD does not need to write that unless they actively want to promote the death of ICEs.
Tinfoil hat rubbish. PD sharing an actual rumor does not mean they are promoting the death of ICE, they are doing what they've always done; share real world car information regarding a car.
You didn’t see me complain much when they added the Model 3, Mission X or all the electric VGTs. They are to be expected every now and then.
So, you're just standing on this soap box for nothing then. You expect EVs to appear every now and then, right now is currently that point.
“No good” are your words, not mine. Regardless, I have every right to prefer cars that for obvious reasons make better use of the Tuning Shop etc.
Those are your words. You have presented this asinine argument that because the car can not take full advantage of modifications the game provides other vehicles (again, realism), that somehow means it can't "bring most out of the game" even though you literally can use it throughout most of the game's other features.
Sense of ownership is everything in GT. You partly get that through upgrades, oil changes and engine swaps. The EVs don’t offer much beyond washing. You just reinforced my point.
No, I pointed out the hypocrisy in your stupid statement.

You said people don't play GT7 to "enjoy" practicalities of ownership as some sort of way to write off an EV in the game. Yet, the practicalities of ownership are reflected in all the maintenance options the game provides & people do seem to enjoy them (or at least, live with them).

Your argument is literally boiling down to, "The game doesn't let me change the EV's oil. It's not making the most out of the game" shows how absurdly bothered you are about this car.
 
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anti-intellectualism
I don't really understand how you're equating this with automotive and racing enthusiasm.

Video games have nothing to do with futurology. They're entertainment, that's it. They are a way for players to escape the troubles of reality by doing whatever they want, be it fantasy worlds or battle or hearing the sound and passion of race cars we'll never be able to drive.

Unfortunately PD seems to have partnered with several car companies, all of whom do have something to do with futurology, as they're not in the business of entertainment, they're in the business of selling products that comply with ever-stringent government regulations which are not compatible with a fantasy world full of the loud fire breating race cars of yore. All these car companies are currently wrestling with how to market products which are basically fake sports cars, and this particular car is Hyundai's first attempt. PD is partnering with these companies in a marketing exercise basically to see how real car enthusiasts react to cars like these. They're allowing the car brands to push their agenda within the game and gathering data in the process. I find that pretty ridiculous and an offensive waste of resources, as I didn't buy and play the game as some sort of marketing experiment, I bought it to be entertained.

Another layer to this is that as the car industry evolves rapidly and governments go to war against sports cars and race cars, these vehicles are going extinct at an alarming pace. Not only do we enthusiasts want to be entertained and distracted from the fact that we may only have a decade left to buy a new Miata that sounds and feels like a Miata, but PD could also treat us to a history lesson as they've done with some cars in the game, and make an effort to preserve all sorts of cars in a digital realm. Cars that are harder to find to day than a new Lamborghini hybrid, because most of them have rusted away in junkyards or been tucked away in collections. Classic cars that don't cost $20 million (another ridiculous nod to a reality we all have to face) like old kei cars and various things that have appeared in previous games but aren't included anymore. PD could have a defacto digital database of automotive preservation which sounds extremely entertaining to me. If I want to see a new Lambo or a new EV all I have to do is go downtown. Seeing a 1985 crapbox from Japan is a different story. Seeing a Group B rally car that pits fire is a different story. Hell, seeing first-gen Toyota 4Runner with no rust holes is a whole different story.

Another problem is that cars like the Ioniq N are basically just results of midguided government freak-outs. Attacking sports cars, a miniscule market segment which consumes a fraction of a percentage of the automotive industry's resources and produces an even smaller amount of its emissions, and race cars which are a tinier fraction still, is a ridiculous injustice that is not truly driven by data. It's driven by emotional reaction and political greed. These tiny market segements are easy targets with small but passionate fanbases, so forcing them to evolve looks like progress on a campaign ad but actually is an example of the minimum effort being taken by regulators and corporations while also pissing off as few consumers as possible. It's a farce. They're literally lying to our faces - sports car don't need to go electric at all because there aren't enough of them to matter, but school buses and semi trucks and ocean liners and millions upon millions of faceless grocery getters could all go electric with minimal backlash because they are primary contributors to emissions and there is zero passion attached to any of them. If they actually gave a damn about data and reason they would realize these tiny markets are a drop in the bucket. Their fanbases might be small, but they are passionate enough to mount counter-movements like SEMA and PRI, the latter of which I'll be attending this year. I've donated my money and time to supporting the Performance Racing Industry political movement, have you? Or are you not interested in data-driven regulation rather than politics for politics sake?

As for PD's contribution, I'll use this example because on the surface it seems ridiculous but it's pretty apt. We could be entertained by an extremely rare vehicle which began a whole new era of affordable and reliable capability and which lead to the rise of automotive enthusiasts using their vehicles to explore the wilderness. A whole new era of man and machine, a celebration of mechanical toughness, a tool for enjoyment and engagement, one of many definitive examples of automotive enthusiasm. And the foundation this vehicle laid continues to grow today as one of the most popular market segments that attempts to express the freedom of owning a cool, fun, capable vehicle. I've got one of this vehicle's successors sitting in my driveway next to my sports car, in fact. We could've had this historically significant machine:

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Instead, we're getting a government-mandated corporate marketing experiment with fake gears. By submitting to Hyundai and including the Ioniq N, PD is enabling the political farce that is destroying sports cars and race cars and replacing them with refrigerators and I find that highly offensive.
 
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