I don't think Iraq has any banned weapons.

[B Campbell]

Originally posted by milefile
The notion that the US government is lying about WMD just to steal oil is far fetched, to me anyway.

Except that Cheney and many of teh other top brass in the Bush administration are energy or oil tycoons. That's just a bit of personal interest. You can't seriously tell me Cheney would leave a multi-million dollar job to work as the Vice President if he wasn't getting something else out of it.

However, I do agree that the oil chase is a bit too obvious. I think there are some sort of tracks someone is trying to cover up here, or some sort of precedent someone is trying to set so that future actions are easier and can be taken more quickly.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by DGB454
You probably don't want to know what I would really want to do if I were them.

Neither do you! As soon as you started to do that, the U.S. (your last true ally) would pull all funding away from you, and you could be attacked from all sides with no help from the U.S.'s helicopters, planes, bombs, etc.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by B Campbell
Except that Cheney and many of teh other top brass in the Bush administration are energy or oil tycoons. That's just a bit of personal interest. You can't seriously tell me Cheney would leave a multi-million dollar job to work as the Vice President if he wasn't getting something else out of it.

Cheney was previously a U.S. Senator from Wyoming. He abandoned the oil profession years before he took the vice presidency under Bush.

 

[Talentless]

Whether or not Iraq has these weapons may not even be the reason for such a hard stance. Other than the oil conspiracy/industrial military complex theories, is the possibility that this administration is unwilling to accept the notion that because Saddam may be a survivalist now, and unwilling to assist Al-Qaeda, it does not mean he would not go on the aggressive later. And targeted military strikes and sanctions may not suffice in stopping the purchase and use of illegal components.

And, Vat, the pacifist philosophy is partially why America, with some support from its people, is willing to be the aggressor. The reason is because there is the concern that guilt over sanctions and waning interest in a "contained" threat may cause governments to lessen their hold over Iraq. Even under a tight noose Saddam may be able to acquire weapons. Passive diplomacy worries some people.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by M5Power
Neither do you! As soon as you started to do that, the U.S. (your last true ally) would pull all funding away from you, and you could be attacked from all sides with no help from the U.S.'s helicopters, planes, bombs, etc.

I don't think Isreal would have a problem wiping out their enemies and taking over that reigon. Isreal has the most successful airforce in the world. We send our guys there to get trained by them.
In my opinion it would be a dark day for America(and the world) if we ever turned our back on Isreal.

 

[Talentless]

*Israel.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by DGB454
I don't think Isreal would have a problem wiping out their enemies and taking over that reigon. Isreal has the most successful airforce in the world. We send our guys there to get trained by them.
In my opinion it would be a dark day for America(and the world) if we ever turned our back on Isreal.

Guess who supplies Israel with every single dollar for their military, education, Interior, justice departments, etc. Guess who gives them planes. Bombs. Halftracks.

Every single cent of Israel's budget that doesn't come from taxes is given by the United States. We provide for all their arms, and much of their infrastructure.

And since when do we 'send our guys to get trained by them?'

 

[f50]

israel owner of a big part of us.
and theyr people have good places on the market.

btw they don't care what us say ,they just pretend it.because us have a lot of money and is the most powerful ally.

you see on the tv when palestinians kill a israelian and they say "that was a terrorist attack",but later they go and kill 40,50 or so and say was a accident,or just receipt a confidence.

 

[B Campbell]

Originally posted by f50
israel owner of a big part of us.
and theyr people have good places on the market.

Could you explain this, or at least put it into some sort of sentence that makes sense grammatically? I don't get what you're trying to say.

 

[f50]

israel is owner a big part of us.

the people of israel have goods spots on market.

sorry for all my typo's.

and thanks for don't flame me.

 

[1X83Z]

He means that lots and lots (and LOTS) of important people are Jewish, which is probably why this country will never truly abandon Israel. It's a good point.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by M5Power
Guess who supplies Israel with every single dollar for their military, education, Interior, justice departments, etc. Guess who gives them planes. Bombs. Halftracks.

Every single cent of Israel's budget that doesn't come from taxes is given by the United States. We provide for all their arms, and much of their infrastructure.

And since when do we 'send our guys to get trained by them?'

It doesn't matter who supplies them. What matters is that they do have them now. I would love to see them go and get rid of the Palastines from their land.

We have been sending guys there since the late 60's.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by M5Power
He means that lots and lots (and LOTS) of important people are Jewish, which is probably why this country will never truly abandon Israel. It's a good point.

I believe that someday we will abandon Isreal. I'm not looking forward to that day but do believe it will happen.

 

[B Campbell]

Originally posted by DGB454
It doesn't matter who supplies them. What matters is that they do have them now. I would love to see them go and get rid of the Palastines from their land.

We have been sending guys there since the late 60's.

Yeah, the way to solve problems is to persecute and kill people. That's it.

Nobody is a winner on either side of this conflict, and I personally don't like my tax dollars going over there.

 

[DGB454]

Hmm....Tell Palastine that.
I liked mine going over there.
I don't think violence to the innocent is necessary. Just to those in power there.

 

[B Campbell]

So you think terrorism is okay?

 

[TAFJonathan]

Originally posted by DGB454
It doesn't matter who supplies them [Israel with weapons].

Did you really just say that? So it doesn't matter who gives Iraq weapons, either, right? So enforcing the embargo and sanctions on Iraq, and then prosecuting those that supply Iraq with weapons, is senseless, right? Because, after all "it doesn't matter who supplies them" . . . or does that only apply to our buddy Israel? Hmm . . .

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by B Campbell
So you think terrorism is okay?

Who said anything about terrorism being ok?

 

[B Campbell]

You are in favor of supporting the Israelis, who are terrorizing the Palestineans. There is terrorism going on on both sides, so if you are supportive of one side over the other, you are supporting state-sponsored terrorism.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by TAFJonathan
Did you really just say that? So it doesn't matter who gives Iraq weapons, either, right? So enforcing the embargo and sanctions on Iraq, and then prosecuting those that supply Iraq with weapons, is senseless, right? Because, after all "it doesn't matter who supplies them" . . . or does that only apply to our buddy Israel? Hmm . . .

Actually it does matter who gives a terrorist nation weapons. Isreal isn't a terrorist nation.(think about it)
Besides the point was that Isreal had the weapons.Reguardless who supplied them they were able to use them.

 

[B Campbell]

I would like to hear your definition of 'terrorist'.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by B Campbell
You are in favor of supporting the Israelis, who are terrorizing the Palestineans. There is terrorism going on on both sides, so if you are supportive of one side over the other, you are supporting state-sponsored terrorism.

I am in favor of palastine being removed from Israelis land. If you want to call it terrorism then call it what you like. I don't think of a country openly retaliating against another country who is sending suicide bombers and car bombs to kill innocent people terrorist. Has Isreal ever denied attacking Palastien? Has Palastien ever admitted knowing anything about the killers they send to Isreal?

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by B Campbell
I would like to hear your definition of 'terrorist'.

I think if you read my other posts you can figure that out.

 

[B Campbell]

I think you know little of the issue you're talking about, and are just regurgitating what you've heard/read from other people. Try looking into actions on both sides and you'll see that there is no rightor wrong in this conflit, only many many people being brutally murdered and terrorized on both sides. I can't believe anyone would support such acts. I hope you don't consider yourself a religious person.

 

[DGB454]

Actually I do know more about the issue than you give me credit for. I don't support people being brutally murdered. I do support Palastine being peacably relocated to a an Arab nation. I think you are the one who knows little about the issue. You only see both nations as brutal nations killing each other. There is far more to it than that.
Yes I do think of myself as a religious person. Religion is just the orginized practice of ones faith. I am a Christian and I do practice that faith in and out of an Church.

 

[TAFJonathan]

Originally posted by DGB454
Actually I do know more about the issue than you give me credit for. I don't support people being brutally murdered. I do support Palastine being peacably relocated to a an Arab nation. I think you are the one who knows little about the issue. You only see both nations as brutal nations killing each other. There is far more to it than that.
Yes I do think of myself as a religious person. Religion is just the orginized practice of ones faith. I am a Christian and I do practice that faith in and out of an Church.

I contend that your opinions are ignorant and narrow-minded. I don't have the time or the energy to refute your various nonsensical claims.

 

[B Campbell]

Originally posted by DGB454
Actually I do know more about the issue than you give me credit for. I don't support people being brutally murdered. I do support Palastine being peacably relocated to a an Arab nation. I think you are the one who knows little about the issue. You only see both nations as brutal nations killing each other. There is far more to it than that.
Yes I do think of myself as a religious person. Religion is just the orginized practice of ones faith. I am a Christian and I do practice that faith in and out of an Church.

Obviously you don't know anything about the issue. How do you plan to peacefully relocate the plaestineans to another arab country? They are persecuted and murdered inj every one of them; that's why they want a Palestine.

Both sides are brutally killing each other, I don't know what else you would call it.

If you practice the Christian faith, how can you reconcile that faith with your support of killers?

Originally posted by TAFJonathan
I contend that you an ignorant, narrow-minded fool. I don't have the time or the energy to refute your various nonsensical claims.

👍

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by TAFJonathan
I contend that you an ignorant, narrow-minded fool. I don't have the time or the energy to refute your various nonsensical claims.

Well that was brilliant.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by B Campbell
Obviously you don't know anything about the issue. How do you plan to peacefully relocate the plaestineans to another arab country? They are persecuted and murdered inj every one of them; that's why they want a Palestine.

Both sides are brutally killing each other, I don't know what else you would call it.

If you practice the Christian faith, how can you reconcile that faith with your support of killers?

I didn't say they would go peacably.I just said I was in favor of them being relocated peacefully. I have no delusions of them going without fighting. I would like to see it without a fight but I know it won't happen. I support Isreal and their fight against those who attack them. Period. I have relatives and friends there who see what is happening everyday. Isreal is surrounded by nations who would like nothing better than to see them wiped off the face of the earth. How do you expect them to behave? Do you expect them to continue to give there land to their enemy?
Would you? Would you stand for your neighboring countries to send suicide bombers and car bombers into your country and kill your people without retaliation? Yes. I support Isreal and their fight against the people who terrorize their people.
Would I do the same if I was them. Yes. I couldn't stand by while a madman was sending innocent children into my country with bombs strapped to them just so he could kill my people.

Don't even question my faith. I don't have to answer to you about my faith.

The support of killers? Are you saying that Isreal is a bunch of killers? If that is how you really feel then how do you feel avout Americans in Afghanistan. We are retaliating against terrorist attacks against the U.S. Isreal is retaliating against terrorist attacks against them. There are times I didn't agree with some attacks when it didn't seemed provoked but the majority of the time it was provoked by Palastine militants backed by their government.

You guys need to pick up a paper, watch the news or better yet take a trip to Isreal as I have done 4 times in the last 10 years.
I give to the Israeli defense fund because I believe in the cause.

 

[DGB454]

Representatives of the Iraqi Ba'ath party and the Arab Liberation Front, held ceremonies in Gaza, in which they gave awards to families of terrorists. Families of suicide attackers received an award of $25,000, while families of terrorists who were killed received a $10,000 reward.

In a ceremony that was held 18 Dec. 2002, Iraq distributed awards totaling $280,000.

The continued Iraqi support of families of suicide bombers displays Iraq's persistent support of Palestinian terrorism, and its encouragement of suicide attacks as the preferred path in the armed struggle against Israel.

Source: The official newspaper of the Palestinian Authority, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (19 Dec. 2002 and 23 Dec. 2002)
Below is the picture from the Palastine paper.