I have a rumor for all GT Fans!!

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McLaren F1GTR
And BTW, Earnhardt Jr. actually did do well in the Rolex 24 racing the LeMans Corvette. The team won 1st place.
He didn't fair too well in 2003 (???) I didn't watch last years (no cable), but the 2003 (maybe it was 2002) Rolex, he spun out several times and didn't record very good lap times, either ...

He must've improved since ...
 
live4speed
But the Rolex 24hr isn't the LeMans 24hr which is what Jmac meant. I agree NASCAR requires a lot of skill and balls, but like many over this side of the pond, I can't watch it, it's not interesting enough imo.

Actually I remember after 2001, he was racing what I think was a Vemac that spun out and had a broken back wheel axel.
Then there was Vette incident with the fire.

He's gone down since 2001.
 
Gturismo1
They did it for Tom Cruise...Vanilla Sky? Remember? If your a celebrity, there isn't much they won't do, if the right amount of money is involved :)

There is a big difference betwene closing one block down and multiple streets to make a race cricuit.

Various blocks are closed down all the time here in NYC, but usually on weekends or holidays.
 
jb23fan
the only thing that happened in new york similar to what you are talking about was the top 10 chase drivers (points finishers) paraded around the city, before the award banquet that night.
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i second this

+ u have to relize what is needed to make a "road course" in anywhere... all the bariers & whatnot, safty issues, & think about all the buisnesses... i think it is Cote d Azur that is a real course on real streets, not sure, but look at all the safty percausions they have to make... its not like they make a track for one day & then they break it down at night....

as for NASCAR... its ok, i'd rather watch a touring car race, but if its the only thing on, yea i'd watch a race... Also NASCAR isn't all oval tracks... & for all u who think going around in an oval are boring????.... i'm sure u guys did something like that too... what endurance race did u have to do to beat GT3?
 
Overclocked412
Personally I think nascar is boring. Sure you hold in there and watch it because your secretly waiting for a crash. I like redline racing on public streets illegally better ;) .. just as long as their arent neons involed :roll:
1... if ur redlining, ur messin up ur car.
2... y not go on a local track to find out how fast ur car is?... afraid of someone laughing at u caz of a slow time?

McLaren F1GTR
How interesting can the race be when the track is just 1/4 mile straightaway?
i have a question for u... have u ever been in an accident?... i was in one, & it only took aobut 5 seconds, but it felt like 5 minutes... thats how racing is... ur so focused everything slows down... every shift & every RPM that ur motor increases... also it is to see how good you can make ur car...

but hey.. to his his own... or something like that... everyone has their own liking
 
NASCAR was an interesting concept back in its heyday, when cars werent all the same damn thing, and they were actual cars. I much prefer WRC, SCCA events, roadracing, stuff like that. Drag Racing? Please. Street racing? Retarded and risks bystanders lives.
 
90crxfreak
1... if ur redlining, ur messin up ur car.
2... y not go on a local track to find out how fast ur car is?... afraid of someone laughing at u caz of a slow time?


i have a question for u... have u ever been in an accident?... i was in one, & it only took aobut 5 seconds, but it felt like 5 minutes... thats how racing is... ur so focused everything slows down... every shift & every RPM that ur motor increases... also it is to see how good you can make ur car...

but hey.. to his his own... or something like that... everyone has their own liking
That was directed to the person who posted about racing in an oval. It was meant as sarcasm.

I know all that.
 
live4speed
But the Rolex 24hr isn't the LeMans 24hr which is what Jmac meant. I agree NASCAR requires a lot of skill and balls, but like many over this side of the pond, I can't watch it, it's not interesting enough imo.
No, the Rolex 24hr is way more of a road race than an oval race.

The problem that most people have against oval racing is that it is boring to watch, ergo boring to race. But that is really not the case. Yes, watching oval racing might be a bit boring, but when watching it (very often edited) on the television you don't get the aspect of the tactics involved.

I loved doing the "Super Speedway 150" in GT3 even tough the rendition of, especially the last turn, the Motegi Speedway was utterly crap. But now in GT4 the Speedway is beatuifully recreated and is even better to race at. Of course people will still approach the "Super speedway" race as boring, but if you make it boring it will also be boring.

In GT3 I used the "C-West Silvia" with only 300hp to beat the 500+ Mine's Skyline. Oh yes, race car against street car I hear you shout, but try it. The Mine car is very, very, very, very, and very a bit more, quick in a straigth line. But it's still an easy win.

To make myself into the absolute GT-moron I would like to ad that I actually liked the "Test track" races as well. But then again it might play in my favor as I passed all the "Test track" drafting tests in "Mission hall" on the very first try more then easialy.

Some of you might just need to practice turnig left. I've heard it's the way to go... :cheers:
 
They drove a 2 seater ChampCar round the streets of new york to prmote the start of last season, they showed it on TV & even gave the driver the Visor-Cam. I used to hate Nascar but i watched several races last year & liked them (No not for crashes) The racing is tone more exciting than F1 which has virtually no overtaking & is predictable. Nascar & IRL both have plenty of overtaking, loads of side-by-side wheel to wheel racing & extremely close finishes. There have been several IRL races where they have been racing side by side for over 20 laps & its come down to a finish under 0.010 Second. In F1 were lucky to get a finish in under 10/20 seconds IRL & Nascar it happes all the time. Its true there is a lot of crashes on Ovals but there is a lot of crashes in motorsport, just because they race on oval's doesn't make them any more dangerous than F1.
 
McLaren F1GTR
How interesting can the race be when the track is just 1/4 mile straightaway?

It is actually qiute addictive to watch live and in person, last easter i was at York Dragway watching Mini's Vs Beetles + 'run what ya brung' (hopefully will be going again this year). It's all about atmosphere, loud engines, crowd noise, smell of tires and of burger bars, going to look at all of cars as tehy line up for their run all makes for a good day out (for peterol heads at least neways). Also watching the races is addictive because each on is different (cars anyway) and they don't last long kepps things fast paced. watchinhg a Reliant Kitten beat an AC cobra was definetly an experience.

I find watching NASCAR boring on T.V and probably would drag racing too, however if watching NASCAR live at the racetrack it's probably very different due to atmosphere.
 
stefmeister
Its true there is a lot of crashes on Ovals but there is a lot of crashes in motorsport, just because they race on oval's doesn't make them any more dangerous than F1.
I'm not sure on the exact figures, but I'm pretty sure NASCAR has seen more crash-related deaths over the past decade than F1 ...

The reason ?

In F1, you typically have crashes at the corners, where they travel at a much lower speed than in NASCAR ... At these corners, they often have several meters of sand and a wall of tires ... In contrast, NASCAR has crashes at very high rates of speed with concrete walls, although I think they've implemented foam-padded concrete walls (anyone confirm ?) since Earnhardt Sr. died ... I'd still consider it to be much more dangerous considering the speeds ...
 
Jmac279
I'm not sure on the exact figures, but I'm pretty sure NASCAR has seen more crash-related deaths over the past decade than F1 ...

The reason ?

In F1, you typically have crashes at the corners, where they travel at a much lower speed than in NASCAR ... At these corners, they often have several meters of sand and a wall of tires ... In contrast, NASCAR has crashes at very high rates of speed with concrete walls, although I think they've implemented foam-padded concrete walls (anyone confirm ?) since Earnhardt Sr. died ... I'd still consider it to be much more dangerous considering the speeds ...

The cars are also running inches from each other, so disrupting a little airflow can make a big crash. When one car crashes, at least 3 more will go with it.
 
But nascars tend to hit a wall at a shallower angle. It's rare to get a directly perpendicular hit into a wall. They usually hit at a shallow angle and fire off down the track into more cars.. weeee!

Of course, its the perpendicular contacts that cause the deaths.
 
i grew upon NASCAR. yeah its way better when you're at the track. but thats when i was young. i prefer WRC and SCCA rally nowadays. imo there is more driver skill involed in rally than anything. i love lemans, btcc, dtm, jgtc, and scca too.
 
Well, Rallying takes a lot of skill to do. You never know the condition, and rarely, are you gonna be allowed to back-out without consequences. The roads are very narrow in Europe making the rallys there dangerous.
 
Bite me!! I like NASCAR. In fact, I am watching the Live Truck race at Daytona. I would love to watch from a bumper cam, but how long it would I am not sure....:lol: Atmosphere is very different at the track than what it is in your family room, and one factor I like is that it is very unpredictable. The same car does not win every race, which can very well be the fact with endurance racing.
 
Wow, nice trying to draw attention to yourself. Even if it was true, who cares? Try curing cancer next time and then make a thread about it.
 
Jetboys427
Bite me!! I like NASCAR. In fact, I am watching the Live Truck race at Daytona. I would love to watch from a bumper cam, but how long it would I am not sure....:lol: Atmosphere is very different at the track than what it is in your family room, and one factor I like is that it is very unpredictable. The same car does not win every race, which can very well be the fact with endurance racing.

I persoanlly like all kinds of racing, I live within 10 miles of Irwindale Speedway so stock cars were my first real experience. I've seen some drag, and one F1, and I've even seen a couple of street races at Ontario. And they're all very entertaining.
 
Do not get me wrong, I love most types of racing. I would love to see a street race in Paradise City with the Trans Am cars, but sadly it is not covered on the blasted glowin' box.:irked:
 
You people need to leave NASCAR alone, it's great, haven't caught a race in a while but it's intense, but if you don't know at least 3 of the drivers in the race you are going to be bored, you have no one to root for. These guys are immesly skilled, controlling these 800-900hp 3400lb beasts, ain't no cake walk. i have great respect for anyone who can get behind the wheel of one of those monsters and do what they do. These are some fearless guys, speeding at close to 200Mph in a two ton car, in a flock of 42 other cars, who are all driving damn near bumper to bumper. Watch how often the lead changes, when racers buddy up during races, there is a lot of sportmanship going on in there too.

Anyway, i wouldn't put it past NASCAR getting use of NYC streets for a mock race, dude money talks, and there is always re-routing of traffic in NYC.
 
There was actual talk of a NYC based track, being funded by of all people, Donald Trump. Lemme look it up, it is in one of my car mags.
 
Jetboys427
There was actual talk of a NYC based track, being funded by of all people, Donald Trump. Lemme look it up, it is in one of my car mags.

NASCAR, or a company in NASCAR's interest, bought a large chunk of land on Staten Island (which is more Jersey than NYC...but close enough). Being a native New Yorker I think it is pretty cool. Ground breaking for the track is supposed to happen next year if they can ram all the legal stuff home in time.


Speaking of oval racing. That was one hell of a IROC race tonight.


SavageEvil
Anyway, i wouldn't put it past NASCAR getting use of NYC streets for a mock race, dude money talks, and there is always re-routing of traffic in NYC.

Well...if anyone manages to put a race on in the 5 boroughs in the next 5 years it will be the FIA and Formula 1. There has been talk that Bernie has been here and met with the powers to be in the Mayor's office. There is also talk of a temporary circuit like Australia's in/around Central Park.

I give it 50/50% to happen by 2010.

As far as money talks in NYC. No doubt...but. NASCAR doesn't race on streets, it's an oval series with 2 road course events. It is more likely that Cup will race on dirt tracks again before a street race. NASCAR is NOT CASCAR.

If streets were closed down in NYC for a race circuit we would have ALL heard about it. It would be a HUGE event.....Jr. is popular but not THAT popular.
 
kensei
Well...if anyone manages to put a race on in the 5 boroughs in the next 5 years it will be the FIA and Formula 1. There has been talk that Bernie has been here and met with the powers to be in the Mayor's office. There is also talk of a temporary circuit like Australia's in/around Central Park.

I give it 50/50% to happen by 2010.

That will be so cool. America's own Monaco GP!
 
a6m5
That will be so cool. America's own Monaco GP!

3 big snags to clear before F1 would ever come the NYC....

1) The current mayor's policies about attracting events like a F1 are not popular within the city council. I expect the next mayor to close the doors even more in reaction.

2) NYC is pitching the summer Olympics for 2012. That will trump any funding and organization from local NYC companies/corporations as the Olympics are still a bigger audience than F1

3) The idea of closing down streets in general in Manhattan is not popular to city residents. The idea of "corrupting nature" in Central Park to race cars is even less popular. The logistics alone to make a street circuit realistic and the utter grid lock it would cause for at least a few weeks while the circuit is put up would be hellish. You'd have to close down alot more than jsut a few streets. Central Park, and the Avenues around it are the most realistic option. The "Albert Park" option...which would be the coolest IMO...

Of the three the Olympic pitch is the real killer.
 
sounds moe like a rumor for nascar boys.................bunche dip spitting lefties...............i have the right to dis i live in the south(GA)
 
I can't see what people find sooooo cool about turning left
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flyingdane
I can't see what people find sooooo cool about turning left
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Geez, ever since I started looking at this board all you people do is ***** about everything.

1. Street racing is stupid, nice comment.

2. Thanks for stereotyping nascar fans as a bunch of red necks that like seeing wrecks. I have been to many races and 90 percent of people dont cheer unless they know the driver is okay, and even then its because he is OK.

3. No talent in NASCAR? Lets see you run 4 wide inches apart at 190 mph.

Might as well join the fun and start *****ing about what I read, otherwise I wouldn't fit in.

Afterall we all know that bobsled racing totally owns nascar. Also dog sledding is another huge improvement.
 
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