I tried AC and got faster lap with P1 and MP4-12c gt3 than F1 GTR.How is it possible?

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I've done a couple of drag tests a while ago and also found the results quite close to reality. Have to remember though that to really match reality you have to match conditions as well. Weather, altitude, temperature etc. Did you have ABS on the M4 and did you match the brake balance to the real car?
I didn't save the replay file, but going on what my normal settings are, I probably had ABS set to "Factory" and brake balance set to whatever the default setting is. So far, I have never adjusted the brake balance in any of the cars yet. I'm still just scratching the surface in learning the driving physics of A.C.
 
I think the main problem here is we're using the top times of RSR to compare these cars while in reality we really need to compare these cars in stock form, around the same track with the same driver; which is what I tried to do in the video below:

Unlike RSR my times for all three cars were within 3 seconds of each other. Other than selecting soft compound for the GTR and GT3 the setup is untouched. I didn't try to go for record times, just clean consistent laps. My resulting lap times were as follows:

2:23.606 - McLaren P1
2:26.055 - McLaren F1 GTR
2:26.215 - McLaren MP4-12C GT3

Notice how I'm only 4 seconds off the WR of the GTR but over 10 seconds off the P1 WR. Either I just don't know how to drive the P1 or the stock setup is terrible.

I plan to do another test around a more technical track to see if the P1 is still faster.

Great test! This is exactly what I wanted to see. A straight 3-way comparison with the same drivers, under the same conditions as much as possible. It's interesting to note that the F1 GTR is behind the MP4 for most of the lap, only to comeback at the last chicane. The MP4 has the best grip through the twisty bits (Les Combes to Liege), and the P1 dominates the 2 long straights (Kemmel & Blanchimont). I think if they lowered the P1's grip just a tad it would be perfect. As it is, I think it's unlikely the P1 is able to hang with purpose built race cars through the corners, even with its semislicks and aero trickery.
 
I think the main problem here is we're using the top times of RSR to compare these cars while in reality we really need to compare these cars in stock form, around the same track with the same driver; which is what I tried to do in the video below:



Unlike RSR my times for all three cars were within 3 seconds of each other. Other than selecting soft compound for the GTR and GT3 the setup is untouched. I didn't try to go for record times, just clean consistent laps. My resulting lap times were as follows:

2:23.606 - McLaren P1
2:26.055 - McLaren F1 GTR
2:26.215 - McLaren MP4-12C GT3

Notice how I'm only 4 seconds off the WR of the GTR but over 10 seconds off the P1 WR. Either I just don't know how to drive the P1 or the stock setup is terrible.

I plan to do another test around a more technical track to see if the P1 is still faster.

I forgot to comment on this video. Fantastic job! I'm curious, did you use Adobe Premiere to make this? If so, did you just import the three separate replay videos into a new project and then lay all three videos on top of each other in the time line but then adjust the opacity of the videos? I'm guessing that the replay cameras of Spa-Francorchamps always do the same thing, so you didn't have to worry about matching anything up really...perhaps trim some of the beginning off a video or two to make them all be in synchronicity.

If you don't mind sharing how you put it together, I would really appreciate it. I think I would like to make similar videos, for myself, in the future. I hope it doesn't involve a lot of masking or anything. I must confess that I've forgotten 99% of what I used to know about Adobe After Effects, but I still have a copy on the computer in case that's needed.

Thanks!
 
Great test! This is exactly what I wanted to see. A straight 3-way comparison with the same drivers, under the same conditions as much as possible. It's interesting to note that the F1 GTR is behind the MP4 for most of the lap, only to comeback at the last chicane. The MP4 has the best grip through the twisty bits (Les Combes to Liege), and the P1 dominates the 2 long straights (Kemmel & Blanchimont). I think if they lowered the P1's grip just a tad it would be perfect. As it is, I think it's unlikely the P1 is able to hang with purpose built race cars through the corners, even with its semislicks and aero trickery.

But still F1 GTR underperforms,P1 overperforms.It should be able to do 2:13 in modern configuration.
In real life P1 only did 2:38,MP4-12c GT3 did 2:21.283(20 corners),F1 GTR did 2:17.281(6.974km bus stop chicane ,21 corners) in old configuration with old road.
Edit:I will make Formula One comparision video to know which configuration is faster.And tell me which is the slowest configuration in terms of average speed.Note 2002 was faster than 2013 5-10s in average than 2013-14.F1 GTR was run on 1st video configuration.
See these videos simultaneously for comparision


 
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Great test! This is exactly what I wanted to see. A straight 3-way comparison with the same drivers, under the same conditions as much as possible. It's interesting to note that the F1 GTR is behind the MP4 for most of the lap, only to comeback at the last chicane. The MP4 has the best grip through the twisty bits (Les Combes to Liege), and the P1 dominates the 2 long straights (Kemmel & Blanchimont). I think if they lowered the P1's grip just a tad it would be perfect. As it is, I think it's unlikely the P1 is able to hang with purpose built race cars through the corners, even with its semislicks and aero trickery.

Thanks! Also maybe I forgot to mention but 3 or 4 times I had to "reset" the cars togethor so they would stay in shot. For the next comparison I think I'll use the "Road" version of tire for the P1 as the Trofeo is basically a slick (Same type the Zonda R used on Top Gear, and we saw how fast that was). What surprised me was that the P1 "felt" the slowest. I guess you just don't notice how alien fast it can go on the straights...

I forgot to comment on this video. Fantastic job! I'm curious, did you use Adobe Premiere to make this? If so, did you just import the three separate replay videos into a new project and then lay all three videos on top of each other in the time line but then adjust the opacity of the videos? I'm guessing that the replay cameras of Spa-Francorchamps always do the same thing, so you didn't have to worry about matching anything up really...perhaps trim some of the beginning off a video or two to make them all be in synchronicity.

If you don't mind sharing how you put it together, I would really appreciate it. I think I would like to make similar videos, for myself, in the future. I hope it doesn't involve a lot of masking or anything. I must confess that I've forgotten 99% of what I used to know about Adobe After Effects, but I still have a copy on the computer in case that's needed.

Thanks!

Pretty much how you said it. Took three cars out for a fast lap, saved the replay using static cameras, used FRAPS to record then imported all three into Cyberlink Powerdirector. Added all three to my timeline and trimmed so that they were all relatively close together then changed the opacity of each video. But I'm assuming since all three files had a size of 30+GB (60FPS @ 1920x1080 .AVI)that's why Powerdirector kept crashing, even though I have a beast of a computer. I'll try Adobe for the next one (Barcelona).

But still F1 GTR underperforms,P1 overperforms.It should be able to do 2:13 in modern configuration.
In real life P1 only did 2:38,MP4-12c GT3 did 2:21.283(20 corners),F1 GTR did 2:17.281(6.974km bus stop chicane ,21 corners) in old configuration with old road.
Edit:I will make Formula One comparision video to know which configuration is faster.And tell me which is the slowest configuration in terms of average speed.Note 2002 was faster than 2013 5-10s in average than 2013-14.F1 GTR was run on 1st video configuration.
See these videos simultaneously for comparision




The 1997 F1 GTR Longtail and the regular F1 GTR are two completely different cars. The first being an actual purpose built race car and the ladder being a road car with some downforce. So a 1996 F1 GTR (Like the one we have in the game) actually ran a 2:19.581 on the old, shorter version of Spa. I do have the old configuration of Spa in AC, I'll try running the GTR and see how my time compares to the actual time.

Edit: Cool video I found of the GTR Longtail doing some laps around the current version of spa:



Even though there was lots of traffic, The laps were 2:27, 2:33 and 2:30 respectively. With a clear track I can defiantly see it doing low 20's
 
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@Harry6784 Thank you for confirming how you made the video. I can't wait to try it out myself. I didn't stop to think about the size of the video files. I will be playing/recording in 1920x1080 as well. Hopefully, my laptop doesn't squirm under the load too much. I'm sporting a 5th Generation Intel i7-5700HQ, 2 GeForce GTX 965M cards in SLI, 2 250GB Samsung EVO SSDs, but only 16GB of RAM. I'm very confident in everything except the amount of RAM I have. 16GB will probably be enough, but more RAM would be a blessing in this situation.
 
5th Generation Intel i7-5700HQ

There is the potential for some thermal throttling while rendering such a video out. I am assuming based on the CPU and GPU, that this is a laptop. So it will all depend on how good the cooling setup it has is, but it shouldn't pose an issue.
 
@Harry6784 Thank you for confirming how you made the video. I can't wait to try it out myself. I didn't stop to think about the size of the video files. I will be playing/recording in 1920x1080 as well. Hopefully, my laptop doesn't squirm under the load too much. I'm sporting a 5th Generation Intel i7-5700HQ, 2 GeForce GTX 965M cards in SLI, 2 250GB Samsung EVO SSDs, but only 16GB of RAM. I'm very confident in everything except the amount of RAM I have. 16GB will probably be enough, but more RAM would be a blessing in this situation.

You should be fine. Tried Premiere and it works great, guess my rig doesn't like powerdirector. Anyway here's my latest comparison lapping at Barcelona with some interesting results:



With the P1 using road tires it appears to be much more realistic. Here are the lap times if you missed it in the video:

1:49.980 - McLaren MP4-12C GT3
1:51.945- McLaren F1 GTR
1:55.314 - McLaren P1*

*DRS not used

The F1 GTR is an extremely difficult car to drive fast. Old tire compound, no ABS/TCS or any assists and if you slightly miss the timing of a heel-toe downshift off you go.
 
Thanks! Also maybe I forgot to mention but 3 or 4 times I had to "reset" the cars togethor so they would stay in shot. For the next comparison I think I'll use the "Road" version of tire for the P1 as the Trofeo is basically a slick (Same type the Zonda R used on Top Gear, and we saw how fast that was). What surprised me was that the P1 "felt" the slowest. I guess you just don't notice how alien fast it can go on the straights...



Pretty much how you said it. Took three cars out for a fast lap, saved the replay using static cameras, used FRAPS to record then imported all three into Cyberlink Powerdirector. Added all three to my timeline and trimmed so that they were all relatively close together then changed the opacity of each video. But I'm assuming since all three files had a size of 30+GB (60FPS @ 1920x1080 .AVI)that's why Powerdirector kept crashing, even though I have a beast of a computer. I'll try Adobe for the next one (Barcelona).



The 1997 F1 GTR Longtail and the regular F1 GTR are two completely different cars. The first being an actual purpose built race car and the ladder being a road car with some downforce. So a 1996 F1 GTR (Like the one we have in the game) actually ran a 2:19.581 on the old, shorter version of Spa. I do have the old configuration of Spa in AC, I'll try running the GTR and see how my time compares to the actual time.

Edit: Cool video I found of the GTR Longtail doing some laps around the current version of spa:



Even though there was lots of traffic, The laps were 2:27, 2:33 and 2:30 respectively. With a clear track I can defiantly see it doing low 20's

Actually 2:17 was for regular version of GTR.Longtail did it in 2:08 and longtail is not slightly but significantly faster than GT3 car and short tail is 2-3s faster than GT3.
Laptime for short tail,
http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Spa-1996-09-22.html
Laptime for longtail
http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Spa-1997-07-20.html
Pleas do run at old spa.
 
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Edit:I will make Formula One comparision video to know which configuration is faster.And tell me which is the slowest configuration in terms of average speed.Note 2002 was faster than 2013 5-10s in average than 2013-14.F1 GTR was run on 1st video configuration.
See these videos simultaneously for comparision
So in order to demonstrate which McLaren is faster, you post 3 videos of 3 different F1 cars from 3 different eras going round Spa in order to show which configuration of Spa is faster? A 97 F1 car is a vastly different car from a 13 F1 car, and a 2002 F1 is completely different again.

Your arguments are all over the place and fairly incomprehensible.
 
So in order to demonstrate which McLaren is faster, you post 3 videos of 3 different F1 cars from 3 different eras going round Spa in order to show which configuration of Spa is faster? A 97 F1 car is a vastly different car from a 13 F1 car, and a 2002 F1 is completely different again.

Your arguments are all over the place and fairly incomprehensible.
Actually I have searched for the laptimes for Formula One car in wikipedia.2002 F1 was fastest,1997 is almost equal to 2013 version.
And also tell me how to install the mod.
 
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Actually I have searched for the laptimes for Formula One car in wikipedia.2002 F1 was fastest,1997 is almost equal to 2013 version.
And also tell me how to install the mod.
Yes. F1 cars have went at different speeds over the years, but completely irrelevant to a McLaren P1 GTR LM GT3. And also completely irrelevant to AC.

What mod? What are you talking about now? And why are you asking me?
 
Yes. F1 cars have went at different speeds over the years, but completely irrelevant to a McLaren P1 GTR LM GT3. And also completely irrelevant to AC.

What mod? What are you talking about now? And why are you asking me?
Sorry I wanted to ask it to harry.I have installed it now using a tutorial.Anyway thank you.

You should be fine. Tried Premiere and it works great, guess my rig doesn't like powerdirector. Anyway here's my latest comparison lapping at Barcelona with some interesting results:



With the P1 using road tires it appears to be much more realistic. Here are the lap times if you missed it in the video:

1:49.980 - McLaren MP4-12C GT3
1:51.945- McLaren F1 GTR
1:55.314 - McLaren P1*

*DRS not used

The F1 GTR is an extremely difficult car to drive fast. Old tire compound, no ABS/TCS or any assists and if you slightly miss the timing of a heel-toe downshift off you go.

I downloaded it today and tried MP4-12c GT3 with hard tires and default settings.These are my lap times as of now
New spa 2:34.261
Old spa 2:38.529
As I told old tarmac grip makes old spa slower by 4s.
If anyone wants to download old spa you can download it here
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/spa-francorchamps-1992.3042/
All of you who downloaded that track report the laptimes after testing for comparision after testing.
To install put spa92 in content/track/spa92
An F1 GTR 96 did 2:17.4xx in that configuration.So in modern configuration it may do it in 2:13(based on my MP4-12c GT3 lap time comparision),in my opinion.

I will try F1 GTR later today.
 
You should be fine. Tried Premiere and it works great, guess my rig doesn't like powerdirector. Anyway here's my latest comparison lapping at Barcelona with some interesting results:

With the P1 using road tires it appears to be much more realistic. Here are the lap times if you missed it in the video:

1:49.980 - McLaren MP4-12C GT3
1:51.945- McLaren F1 GTR
1:55.314 - McLaren P1*

*DRS not used

The F1 GTR is an extremely difficult car to drive fast. Old tire compound, no ABS/TCS or any assists and if you slightly miss the timing of a heel-toe downshift off you go.

Awesome 👍 The road tyres certainly makes the P1's times more realistic. Surprised that it's still pretty close behind the 2 race cars though. Also it's expected that the F1 GTR will be slower here since Catalunya is a high speed aero dependent track.

I kinda expected the F1 GTR to be faster, because of more power and less weight, but as you said old car with old aero/tyre tech and no assists might prove to be its Achilles heel. Even in Le Mans (which is THE most power dependent circuit in the world, save for an oval) modern LMPs run similar laptimes to Group Cs despite having less power and chicaned straights.
 
Tested F1 GTR at spa old and new with slick hards and stock settings
Laptimes
Old 2:38.971 real time 2:17
new 2:34.891
The car has old tech but it has tonnes of downforce to make up for it in real life.
No, 1993 Group C laps with chicane almost as fast as 2009LMP in le mans with chicane.
In GT6 I tested F1 GTR vs R8 LMS GT3 at GT circuit,yes R8 LMs was faster in that pure handling track.

With regards to lemans F1 GTR did 3:48 at best GT3 does it in 3:54.And F1 gtr completed 339 laps at best and while GT3 did best of 337laps.The longtail version did a blistering 360laps in 1997 and best lap of 3:45.
 
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Awesome 👍 The road tyres certainly makes the P1's times more realistic. Surprised that it's still pretty close behind the 2 race cars though. Also it's expected that the F1 GTR will be slower here since Catalunya is a high speed aero dependent track.

I kinda expected the F1 GTR to be faster, because of more power and less weight, but as you said old car with old aero/tyre tech and no assists might prove to be its Achilles heel. Even in Le Mans (which is THE most power dependent circuit in the world, save for an oval) modern LMPs run similar laptimes to Group Cs despite having less power and chicaned straights.

Yes I definitely felt that I was the limiting factor driving the GTR. I could easily drive the GT3 at 100% consistently but you always had to be careful with the GTR.

Tested F1 GTR at spa old and new with slick hards and stock settings
Laptimes
Old 2:38.971 real time 2:17
new 2:34.891
The car has old tech but it has tonnes of downforce to make up for it in real life.
No, 1993 Group C laps with chicane almost as fast as 2009LMP in le mans with chicane.
In GT6 I tested F1 GTR vs R8 LMS GT3 at GT circuit,yes R8 LMs was faster in that pure handling track.

With regards to lemans F1 GTR did 3:48 at best GT3 does it in 3:54.And F1 gtr completed 339 laps at best and while GT3 did best of 337laps.The longtail version did a blistering 360laps in 1997 and best lap of 3:45.

Le Mans is a high speed track which explains why straight line monsters like the F1 GTR and 800+hp Group C cars were so competitive there. But on technical tracks there's just no way to get around modern tires with proper aerodynamics and electronic aids. F1 is a great car but from a different era.
 
You should be fine. Tried Premiere and it works great, guess my rig doesn't like powerdirector. Anyway here's my latest comparison lapping at Barcelona with some interesting results:



With the P1 using road tires it appears to be much more realistic. Here are the lap times if you missed it in the video:

1:49.980 - McLaren MP4-12C GT3
1:51.945- McLaren F1 GTR
1:55.314 - McLaren P1*

*DRS not used

The F1 GTR is an extremely difficult car to drive fast. Old tire compound, no ABS/TCS or any assists and if you slightly miss the timing of a heel-toe downshift off you go.

Another fantastic video shootout! I am loving these... The P1 is scary fast for a road legal car...just wow! I can't believe that the MP4-12C GT3 went from last (on the opening straight) to first after just the first set of quick turns. What an amazing machine. More reinforcement on why I love the GT3 series of cars. Now, if I could only drive them as well as you do... :D Major props to that F1 GTR! That old timer is right there with the newer machines.
 
Yes I definitely felt that I was the limiting factor driving the GTR. I could easily drive the GT3 at 100% consistently but you always had to be careful with the GTR.



Le Mans is a high speed track which explains why straight line monsters like the F1 GTR and 800+hp Group C cars were so competitive there. But on technical tracks there's just no way to get around modern tires with proper aerodynamics and electronic aids. F1 is a great car but from a different era.
Okay then why was F1 GTR faster on these tracks.
Anderstorp
Audi R8 LMS 2013 1:34.785 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Anderstorp-2013-08-17-24749.html
Mclaren F1 GTR 1996 1:28.908 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Anderstorp-1996-07-14.html
Zhuhai
Ferrari 458 Italia 1:34.461 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Zhuhai-2013-10-13.html
Mclaren F1 GTR 1996 1:31.886 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Zhuhai-1996-11-03.html
Jarama
Porsche 997 GT3 1:33.213 http://www.racingsportscars.com/race/Jarama-2010-06-20.html
Mclaren F1 GTR 1996 1:30.052 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Jarama-1996-04-14.html
All the tracks I am refering to are in same configuration if you want to verify them go here.
http://www.racingcircuits.info/
And please test at old spa too,so that I can confirm the laptimes.
 
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Tracks never stay the same if they are kept in constant use.

What driver sets the F1 time, what driver sets the GT3 times?

What was the time of year? What was the weather like? What session was the time done in?

Straight away looking at Jarama I see you are comparing laps from international name drivers to local GT3 runners. Even then the Fastest lap of the F1 GT1 winner was 1:33.864 and the fastest lap of the winning GT3 Audi was 1:32.754.

When are you going to accept that the F1 was a great car in its day. That day was a long time ago.
 
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Tracks never stay the same if they are kept in constant use.

What driver sets the F1 time, what driver sets the GT3 times?

What was the time of year? What was the weather like? What session was the time done in?

Straight away looking at Jarama I see you are comparing laps from international name drivers to local GT3 runners. Even then the Fastest lap of the F1 GT1 winner was 1:33.864 and the fastest lap of the winning GT3 Audi was 1:32.754.

When are you going to accept that the F1 was a great car in its day. That day was a long time ago.
No fastest F1 GTR 96 laptime at jarama was 1:30.052,fastest GT3 lap was 1:31.892.I would agree that it was good in its day if anyone would be able to justify those laptimes.And I take fastest GT3 laptime for comparision.
The laptime you are telling is for 95 F1 GTR which was not raced in ideal weather.95 and 96 GTR are almost same except some weigh reduction and easier pit adjustment.
And no a GT3 car is not even close to a group c car,I have verified their laptimes.
And the track is only used once or twice in a year,weather is stated in the link I provided above.The laptimes I used for comparision are qualifier laps.
By the way if you want it by international series lap time was 1:33.213 qualifier,1:34.168 FL in a race in 2010,by 997 gt3.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Jarama-2010-06-20.html
And do you think that F1 GTR will be slower than Laferrari,Huayra,P1 in real life like in AC,the laptimes in AC of F1 GTR is that what I expect F1 LM to do.
 
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Race tracks are on constant use all the time. Race meetings at the weekend and track days during the week. They are businesses mate, and have to make money.

The lap times I posted were for the two winners only. I didn't bother looking any further than that since it was just a quick check of the links you provided.

You can stop going on about things I've not said a word on, La Ferrari etc, moving the goal posts like that I'd the sign of someone losing an argument.

Again, the F1 was a great car in its day, but its day didn't last long. It was replaced pretty quickly by the 911 GT1, the Mercedes CLK, the Nissan R390 and the Toyota TS020. All of which were much quicker with a couple of years. Time doesn't stop for anything in Motorsport mate.
 
Race tracks are on constant use all the time. Race meetings at the weekend and track days during the week. They are businesses mate, and have to make money.

The lap times I posted were for the two winners only. I didn't bother looking any further than that since it was just a quick check of the links you provided.

You can stop going on about things I've not said a word on, La Ferrari etc, moving the goal posts like that I'd the sign of someone losing an argument.

Again, the F1 was a great car in its day, but its day didn't last long. It was replaced pretty quickly by the 911 GT1, the Mercedes CLK, the Nissan R390 and the Toyota TS020. All of which were much quicker with a couple of years. Time doesn't stop for anything in Motorsport mate.
Yes it was replaced quickly by them as they were purpose build racecars while F1 was not,inspite of that it finished 4th in le man 1998.Again F1 raced until 2005,a car will detiorate as it gets old.

I mentioned about La ferrari,huayra because they are faster in AC.But you did say GT3 is as fast as Group C.Not because I am losing argument.
Spa laptimes
La ferrari 2:12.847
Huayra 2:19.875
F1 GTR 2:21.531

The lap times I used for comparison were qualifying laps where fastest laps are set,but why didn't you consider that.Yes,an LMP may beat it very easily but I don't think it will be beaten by GT3.The fastest laps you are refering to are fastest in lap race with race crowd.Please look into the links very carefully,before a conclusion.

And I never said AC is not good,I only said F1 GTR underperforms in AC,P1 overperforms,MP4-12c performs as it does in real life.
 
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Yes it was replaced quickly by them as they were purpose build racecars while F1 was not,inspite of that it finished 4th in le man 1998.Again F1 raced until 2005,a car will detiorate as it gets old.

I mentioned about La ferrari,huayra because they are faster in AC.But you did say GT3 is as fast as Group C.

The lap times I used for comparison were qualifying laps where fastest laps are set,but why didn't you consider that.Yes,an LMP may beat it very easily but I don't think it will be beaten by GT3.The fastest laps you are refering to are fastest in lap race with race crowd.

And I never said AC is not good,I only said F1 GTR underperforms in AC,P1 overperforms,MP4-12c performs as it does in real lie.

I said GT3 was as fast as any Group C car not driven by you know who. That is at a time when group C raced on that track. That has nothing to do with subsequent Group C development. Nor has it anything to do with any other car in AC. It was to point out to you that GT3 is not as slow as you think it is and the F1 is not the super race machine without equal that you seen to think it is.

The lap times you used are never counted as fastest laps. Only race laps are counted as fastest laps.

Note. Whilst GT1 was constantly developed, and that it why it died, too much development in to little time killed it off, GT3 is Bopped to level performance and development not encouraged at all.
 
I said GT3 was as fast as any Group C car not driven by you know who. That is at a time when group C raced on that track. That has nothing to do with subsequent Group C development. Nor has it anything to do with any other car in AC. It was to point out to you that GT3 is not as slow as you think it is and the F1 is not the super race machine without equal that you seen to think it is.

The lap times you used are never counted as fastest laps. Only race laps are counted as fastest laps.

Note. Whilst GT1 was constantly developed, and that it why it died, too much development in to little time killed it off, GT3 is Bopped to level performance and development not encouraged at all.
But why are qualifying laps not considered,every fastest lap is done at qualifier,weather may change?
F1 GTR(1:33.886 in race) condition was hot,dry while 2010 GT3(1:34.168 in race) is of sunny and dry and is slower than GTR in lap race,that of 2013 GT3 weather unknown so assuming it to be ideal.

However fastest nurburgring lap for group c was 6:16 without bellof while that of GT3 car is around 6:40(8:10 in 24hr configuration).
 
I don't know why only race laps are counted as official fastest laps. They just are. Probably more realistic due to race tyres and race fuel.
 
I don't know why only race laps are counted as official fastest laps. They just are. Probably more realistic due to race tyres and race fuel.
Okay if comparing fastest in lap race GT3 does nurburgring in 8:19(6:49 in north ring) as of 2015 still nowhere 6:25 laptime of group c car.If you want to compare laptimes with same conditions use 2010 gt3 lap time vs F1 GTR, F1 GTR is faster in that case.See here laptimes for GT3 car,even if they beat an F1 GTR,It will not even be close to a group c you are comparing to.
http://www.nuerburgring.de/uploads/media/24h_Race_Official_Result.pdf
Anyway AC is an hotlap simulator so F1 GTR should be faster with minimum fuel,soft tires than GT3 with minimum fuel,soft tires.
 
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F1 GTR(1:33.886 in race) condition was hot,dry while 2010 GT3(1:34.168 in race) is of sunny and dry and is slower than GTR in lap race,
Those times are, for all intents and purposes, identical and ambient temperatures could easily affect them a second one way or the other.
that of 2013 GT3 weather unknown so assuming it to be ideal.
No, you don't assume it to be ideal. You either find out the actual weather or you throw out the data point as unreliable.

However fastest nurburgring lap for group c was 6:16 without bellof while that of GT3 car is around 6:40(8:10 in 24hr configuration).
The Nurb has at least 4 long, high speed sections, where the superior power and top end of the Group C cars would come into play, which could be the reason for the discrepancy. We'd also need to know the weather conditions when that 6:16 was set, as it's possible it may have been unusually warm that day leading to higher grip track conditions.
 
Okay then why was F1 GTR faster on these tracks.
Anderstorp
Audi R8 LMS 2013 1:34.785 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Anderstorp-2013-08-17-24749.html
Mclaren F1 GTR 1996 1:28.908 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Anderstorp-1996-07-14.html
Zhuhai
Ferrari 458 Italia 1:34.461 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Zhuhai-2013-10-13.html
Mclaren F1 GTR 1996 1:31.886 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Zhuhai-1996-11-03.html
Jarama
Audi R8 LMS GT3 1:31.892 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Jarama-2012-10-28.html
Mclaren F1 GTR 1996 1:30.052 http://www.racingsportscars.com/results/laps/Jarama-1996-04-14.html
All the tracks I am refering to are in same configuration if you want to verify them go here.
http://www.racingcircuits.info/
And please test at old spa too,so that I can confirm the laptimes.

All those tracks are non-technical power tracks, where the old school high powered/low downforce cars excel. You can't just pick and choose tracks based on the strengths of the F1 then claim the F1 is a superior car. It's like putting a Formula 1 car next to a top fuel dragster to see which gets down the quarter mile faster then say the dragster is a better car since it won that particular race.

But why are qualifying laps not considered,every fastest lap is done at qualifier,weather may change?
F1 GTR(1:33.886 in race) condition was hot,dry while 2010 GT3(1:34.168 in race) is of sunny and dry and is slower than GTR in lap race,that of 2013 GT3 weather unknown so assuming it to be ideal.

However fastest nurburgring lap for group c was 6:16 without bellof while that of GT3 car is around 6:40(8:10 in 24hr configuration).

Either your just grasping at straws or you simply don't understand. The F1 GTR is a completely different car than a current GT3. The old F1 excels at high speed tracks due to its power/weight and low downforce but on any tracks that require precise cornering its a no contest. Please re-watch my video as it clearly shows the F1 ahead on the straights but as soon as braking/cornering is involved the GT3 instantly makes up the time lost. On some tracks the F1 is faster, on others the GT3's are faster depending on the layout.
 
All those tracks are non-technical power tracks, where the old school high powered/low downforce cars excel. You can't just pick and choose tracks based on the strengths of the F1 then claim the F1 is a superior car. It's like putting a Formula 1 car next to a top fuel dragster to see which gets down the quarter mile faster then say the dragster is a better car since it won that particular race.



Either your just grasping at straws or you simply don't understand. The F1 GTR is a completely different car than a current GT3. The old F1 excels at high speed tracks due to its power/weight and low downforce but on any tracks that require precise cornering its a no contest. Please re-watch my video as it clearly shows the F1 ahead on the straights but as soon as braking/cornering is involved the GT3 instantly makes up the time lost. On some tracks the F1 is faster, on others the GT3's are faster depending on the layout.

I took those track because those are the only tracks I could find in same configurations,but jarama,anderstorp are decently technical,if you don't mind if tracks are not in same configuration then these are the other qualifying laptimes from racing sports car.
Monza
5.8km Mclaren F1 GTR 1:43.045
5.773km Ferrari 458 italia 1:46.571
Paul Richard
5.813km Mclaren F1 GTR 1:53.270
5:791km Lamborghini Huracan GT3 1:56.638
Brands Hatch
4.184km Mclaren F1 GTR 1:22.110
3.916km Audi R8 LMS Ultra 1:23.269

If all the above are power tracks,then I am sorry we cannot compare them directly,but F1 GTR is slower even on power tracks in AC in leaderboard page,if you have brands hatch test it there.And remember F1 GTR is not the fastest GT1 car of its day F40,911 set much faster laptimes.

In AC F1 GTR monza is 1:48.944,MP4-12c GT3 is 1:45.510.That was the point I wanted to make,i.e F1 GTR is even slower on power track.

Regarding downforce figures F1 GTR 95 develops enough downforce to run at walls upside down in 100mph,read the motortrend
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/112_0004_2000_mclaren_f1_supercar/viewall.html
these are their words at that paragraph.
"Fast forward to Le Mans in the summer of 1995, where all seven of Murray's new F1 GTRs qualified for McLaren's debut in the classic enduro event. The conversion had been reluctantly approved by Dennis on a shoestring budget, resulting in a package that was basically a standard F1 stripped of trim and equipment, with rear wing, modified underfloor diffuser, side skirts, rollcage, and racing instruments. It was 90 kilograms (200 pounds) lighter than the road car, slightly down on power (600 horsepower against 627), but massively up on torque (527 pound-feet against 479), and it created so much downforce it could run along the ceiling at 100 mph."
Do you know the downforce figures for GT3 car,I have seen a video in which an engineer says a nissan nismo gt3 produces 1000kg downforce at 120mph.
Those times are, for all intents and purposes, identical and ambient temperatures could easily affect them a second one way or the other.
No, you don't assume it to be ideal. You either find out the actual weather or you throw out the data point as unreliable.

The Nurb has at least 4 long, high speed sections, where the superior power and top end of the Group C cars would come into play, which could be the reason for the discrepancy. We'd also need to know the weather conditions when that 6:16 was set, as it's possible it may have been unusually warm that day leading to higher grip track conditions.
Okay,but have a look at other Group C laptimes,it is significantly faster than GT3 car.Okay it was not fair of me to assume it to be ideal,I will try to find out the weather condition.No,in hot weather laptimes will be slower than ideal condition.topgear reduces 2s for comparing lap time with ideal condition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_test_track#Time_deductions
Now it may not have anything to do with this topic but it is to show that laps during hot weather are slightly slower than ideal conditions
 
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Okay,but have a look at other Group C laptimes,it is significantly faster than GT3 car.Okay it was not fair of me to assume it to be ideal,I will try to find out the weather condition.No,in hot weather laptimes will be slower than ideal condition.topgear reduces 2s for comparing lap time with ideal condition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_test_track#Time_deductions
Now it may not have anything to do with this topic but it is to show that laps during hot weather are slightly slower than ideal conditions
Top Gear is not a good reference IMO. The cars are fixed setup and on street tires, so very prone to overheating. Racing cars in the same conditions can make many adjustments to keep the tires cool like opening brake ducts or adjusting camber and take advantage of the stickier track.
 
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